Here is the link from the first one which has been closed:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2560750

Shown below is the final entry before it was closed:

As you can see, the previous topic was simply closed, hence my point of "being more effective to remove oneself from the discussion is easier online". However, in real life, we will be expected to be courteous towards one another.

In reference to what you were saying about how one can choose to decline to answer my questions in real life, here is my question:

Why? What is the justification and rationale behind of denying an answer to a question?

Do you simply not know the answer to the question, or was it something else? Was it psychological insecurity?

Remember, if you continue to close or even suspend me because of this topic, IT PROVES MY POINT. It is indeed easier for you to IGNORE a discussion by digitally removing it from your sight.

However, in real life, we will be expected to be civil to one another, as there are no ways to simply "remove yourself" from the discussion. If you do indeed decline to answer any of the questions, you will be seen as being discourteous and impolite for simply walking away or even been seen as someone who is ignorant and being in denial to simply remove yourself from the discussion in real life. As a matter of fact, the act of actually closing the previous discussion simply shows an utter lack of decorum.

The fact you cannot "close" a topic like that in real life, gives better justice in a discussion.

Imagine this situation. A huge tragedy happened in the family. Do you know how important it is to have an organic discussion between each other?

Hence your lack of participation may be due to your impression towards the significance of this discussion. How about I reveal one of the topics then?

Look at my warning bar which is at 50%. One of the topics involved was, "Why the Health & Fitness forums only have one race in the background?" which was opened in this thread"

Now you may have your reasons of suspending me, but I wanted a real life discussion, because I am considering this as something IMPORTANT, hence I want to bring it into real life.

So what will you do? Will you close this topic again, or even suspend me further, HENCE PROVING MY POINT that you rather walk away than to actually, and SINCERELY find out what it is all about?

You are right that this may be a hassle. This is because I am treating this as something important. So if you don't treat this as importantly enough as I do, it proves another thing as well, which should be OBVIOUS in the first place:

That you simply just don't care, and pretend as if there is really nobody behind your monitor.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 29 2012, 07:01 AM

lol. butthurt because getting ass kicked in /k and request to meetup with mod/admin?

that's some serious shit. se7en should take note or TS might gonna report this to the Parliament

I am not about to do that.

But in time, if things continue to repeat itself, who knows.

Remember, I know you guys are following GUIDELINES on how to moderate this forum.

I am QUESTIONING the GUIDELINES themselves.

What I am also question here can be illustrated with an example.

Imagine a house on fire with one victim, in comparison a house on fire with ten victims. It is considered common sense for one to look in favour of the majority, to save the ten than to save the one.

However, imagine another situation. If there is one healthy person, in comparison to ten injured people who each needs an organ to survive, do we simply take the life of that one person in order to save the ten?

Hence the question of greatest good with the greatest number vs. individual rights. I have many threads which were closed usually in favour of the majority, but while in favour for the greatest number of people, you have denied my unalienable liberty to question, to speak, and to discuss. In other words, you "censor" my threads, because you think it's too sensitive, which is equivalent to telling a man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it.

I also KNOW that there will be at least ONE person who will simply say:

"Aiyah! Just ban this fella, and SETTLE!"

It is exactly this type of person I would like to have a heart-to-heart discussion in real life.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 29 2012, 07:26 AM

Futile exercise. It's a dictatorship here, like it or not. They are kind enough to spare you the cold hard truth.

Fortunately, Berlin Wall does not exist in here. You may come and go as you like.

404 Analogy Not Found. When deadlocks's topics are removed, nobody's lives are saved. One does not use life-or-death analogies to dramatize one's stand when no corresponding life-or-death situations exist.

We do censor your threads, I'll give that to you. But I need to correct you that there is no unalienable liberty here, other than what the Malaysian law guarantees. This is a private internet forum, not a liberal state.

Once, I was manning the information counter of the High Court (Will not tell which state). It was lunch hour, and a couple, one chinese national and the other one a Malaysian Indian was filling up forms and waiting for the Commisioner of Oath to come and affirm their documents.

In comes this uncle, with his broken Malay asking for help. Which I was about to render when the first thing out from his mouth was "tak ada cina ka, saya tak boleh cakap melayu."

The uncle then turns towards the chinese national and started pestering her in Cantonese. Which, having only being able to speak Mandarin and English she cannot help. The kicker sentence from the uncle - "Cina pun tak tau cakap cina, bodoh!"

Could I then hurt the uncle by calling out the fact that as a Malaysian, he couldn't speak Malay properly? Of course I could.

But what would be the point?

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Thats the thing about race, religion and political topic. Everybody wants to win the argument, yet no one realizes that no one can win the argument. What it causes is a furthering of bad blood and misconception. Coat it in any way you like, asking questions specifically about racism gets blood boiling, which in turn makes people lose all sense of decorum and decency. Same goes for religion, same goes for political.

And in a open forum - heck, you will run into flame baiters that think the internet affords them the anonymity so they will say what they like, with the intention of causing as much hurt as possible. Will people take the bait - of course they will - we all have the inherent need to protect our belief. Wars have started no less because of it.

Thats the danger when you don't moderate open forum. Like the example above, I don't just say the first thing that comes into mind, because my behaviour is moderated by the place and situation.

I've took a look at some of the topics that you wanted to open. The particular "name one thing you hate about race x" is very, very flame baity.

Lastly, beside free speech, people have freedom of association. Don't associate with Lowyat if you don't like the people here. If they don't want to listen to you, go and associate with people who wants to listen to you. Simple.

This is not real life. this is a privately own company. the admin have no obligations to make you happy.

people never think how to keep a forum healthy. only know how to argue and open a thread that can create problem. ok...fine...u wanna win, but do ask yourself this question which i put in a simple malay rojak. "kalau forum ni kena warning ..apa you boleh buat? kena saman you boleh tanggung ah?" you will just run away and say all sort of reason that make you feel u have a point. The moderators have done their job well. So you dont have to create flame nor arguing on what they do. They are protecting the majority of forumers here, and not some people with 1000 account. So dont keep asking why and etc. Remember...a private forum is like a private house with guards. u dont go tell the guards how to color the house. enough just respect and give suggestion. they dont listen...move on. End..

Here is the link from the first one which has been closed:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2560750

Shown below is the final entry before it was closed:
As you can see, the previous topic was simply closed, hence my point of "being more effective to remove oneself from the discussion is easier online". However, in real life, we will be expected to be courteous towards one another.

expected, yes, but not a must. Any one can be courteous and not at any given time. The way you go IRL like you doing here will be met with the same reply situation here.

In reference to what you were saying about how one can choose to decline to answer my questions in real life, here is my question:

Why? What is the justification and rationale behind of denying an answer to a question?
why izzit there must be an answer? Sometimes even if i have an answer for something, I still can choose not to say it (see the next reply below)

Do you simply not know the answer to the question, or was it something else? Was it psychological insecurity?
This...this is one of the reason why I personally choose to be rude and walk away IRL. Why the insinuative comment? ..sheesh...

Remember, if you continue to close or even suspend me because of this topic, IT PROVES MY POINT. It is indeed easier for you to IGNORE a discussion by digitally removing it from your sight.

Yes, when the argument is baseless and shoddy, no point entertaining them. The "Dont argue with a ****, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience " ring true here

However, in real life, we will be expected to be civil to one another, as there are no ways to simply "remove yourself" from the discussion. If you do indeed decline to answer any of the questions, you will be seen as being discourteous and impolite for simply walking away or even been seen as someone who is ignorant and being in denial to simply remove yourself from the discussion in real life. As a matter of fact, the act of actually closing the previous discussion simply shows an utter lack of decorum.

IRL, people tend to be civil, this includes the starter of question as well. I would hard expect people to harp on the things you keep saying here IRL and expect the other be civil. So the "rudely remove self from discussion" do happens IRL but depends on situations

The fact you cannot "close" a topic like that in real life, gives better justice in a discussion.
yeah, our parliment IRL have that going well
I'm not starting politics here but being face to face does not guarantee a justice to any discussion

Imagine this situation. A huge tragedy happened in the family. Do you know how important it is to have an organic discussion between each other?
like wkkay said, totally not relevant and wrong use of analogy

Hence your lack of participation may be due to your impression towards the significance of this discussion. How about I reveal one of the topics then?

Look at my warning bar which is at 50%. One of the topics involved was, "Why the Health & Fitness forums only have one race in the background?" which was opened in this thread"

Now you may have your reasons of suspending me, but I wanted a real life discussion, because I am considering this as something IMPORTANT, hence I want to bring it into real life.
then go amongst your friend and acquaintance. I dont see the need to find stranger to discuss some issues of "Importance" to you. Better yet go to Speaker Corners or just the T-junction of your housing estate and have IRL with stranger all you like.

So what will you do? Will you close this topic again, or even suspend me further, HENCE PROVING MY POINT that you rather walk away than to actually, and SINCERELY find out what it is all about?

You are right that this may be a hassle. This is because I am treating this as something important. So if you don't treat this as importantly enough as I do, it proves another thing as well, which should be OBVIOUS in the first place:

Your importance is differs from mine as well as others. This site does not cater to any particular individual needs, it do move towards the general masses perception of acceptable/rejected ideas. To bad the masses are not on your side (since your haven't much support from other user) or they don't care enough to support your point. Everyone has a point, too bad yours doesn't gel with the masses

That you simply just don't care, and pretend as if there is really nobody behind your monitor.

my thought anyway...

LOL @ TS for saying you cannot close a topic in real life. Closing topic in real life is as easy as declining to answer. It has nothing to do with being civil.

The previous thread was closed because the answer given was final and sufficiently clear.

Now what I am curious about, is WHAT issue do you have that you must take so much of your own time to write such long winded text despite answer NO was already given to you.

This is a forum. Like what I mentioned elsewhere, unless you have a super duper proposal that benefits both lowyat.net and the forum users in many folds - I don't see any purpose on why anyone should even meet you.

Which is why it would be interesting to have a heart-to-heart conversation about it.


You missed the point of the analogy. When you removed my topics, you "saved" people being insecure and agitated from the sensitive topic. The "closure" of the topic is exactly the "death" I was referring to, i.e. the death of ideas.

I understand how you will follow certain guidelines given to you by Malaysian law. The reason of the discussion was exactly to question the inconsistency of the morality behind the laws and guidelines which you are currently following and enforcing.


Perhaps the content of the topic can be changed. But the topic was not an intention to stereotype people of different races, it is a discussion of the existing stereotypes in order to reach an understanding of how stereotypes work, and how each race has it's so-called "professional" stereotype. And just because it sounded like a flame-bait, the failure to grasp the intentions behind the topic should be blamed upon the thread starter for not considering the insecurity of the public. Instead, it should be the responsibility of the public, or at least, the responsibility of those who govern the public to allow the topic to be created in the first place. Now you may insist, MAJORITY is more powerful than MINORITY, it is not necessarily true, as shown in the analogy of public interest vs. individual liberty.

Which is important to you? Public interest? Or individual liberty? Should an individual's liberty be sacrificed in the name of public interest?

Too bad there are actually REAL people behind your monitor. Nobody is asking to demand for happiness. The goal here is to have a discussion. Not company to company, but HUMAN BEING to HUMAN BEING.

But what if the private house is silencing the ideas of individuals just because the public does not like it?

Is that true JUSTICE?

If we're talking between a human being to another, ask yourself, is this JUSTICE?

You did not read in full. I did not say you cannot close a topic in real life. I said due to our tendency to be civil in real life, simply walking away from a discussion will be more difficult compared to online discussion. It is exactly the civility which will keep you from making an instantaneous decision about simply walking way from a discussion, as you will be seen as an impression that you are simply RUDE to simply walk away without a proper understanding from both parties in the discussion.

What ISSUE? How about the the belief of standing for what it is TRULY RIGHT? TRUE JUSTICE? QUESTIONABLE MORALITY? If these topics HUMAN VALUES are not important to you, then I submit to you, that you are indeed an ignorant to what makes a human being? Am I not a human being to you?

Forum or not, you seemed to missed the point of the discussion. It is not to give or take something in value. It is a DISCUSSION to find out what is RIGHT, and what is WRONG.

Listen. If you don't actually care about these things, why don't you simply say this:

"Look. Truthfully speaking, I don't care. I run this forum how I want, no matter what you may find questionable or not. I just don't care."

Use those sentences. Because if you truly do not care, I think it will be pointless for me to go on.

Because if it is true that you do not care, I can at least tell myself:

"Stop trying to talk to this people. They do not care, except for their own interests. And if their own interests ask you to shut up, you must shut up, because YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to your IDEAS."

In other words, if you truly do not care, I want you to make a public confession:

Say this: "I am a dictator, who does not care about other thoughts. This is a dictatorship, and there is no room for individual liberty and ideas

This is dumb. If you don't really care if there is an actual HUMAN BEING behind your monitor, why do you PRETEND as if you do?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Oct 30 2012, 06:02 PM

Perhaps before stating your obvious facts to the moderators, why not ask those forumers to come out and hear you talk heart-to-heart. Then probably we will just abolish this cyber-world gap and you can have a real life forum.

Just a thought...hhmmm....

Btw, I was quite tempted to quote you Raja Petra's quote in regards to "rights" vs "privileges". But on the other hand, you may want to search it up yourself at his No Holds Barred.

...not to be a sexist but, I'm sorry, you sounded like a female.

Why would speaking to forummers in real life would be "okay", but not to the moderators? After all, the moderators and administrators are the ones I am questioning, not the other forummers.

I know what you were talking about rights and privileges. But I am speaking about something that it more than liberty. It is the question of what it is RIGHT and WRONG, and that act of questioning should be an ABSOLUTE RIGHT.

What's your point here to be really honest? If your point of creating this havoc is just to attract attention, why not get a life - go out to the park, meet some chicks, and not feel lonely anymore?

You obviously did not read.

This thread isn't feedback for the forum. I'm moving it to Kopitiam where it belongs.

Guess what ? We are having a discussion right now.

Why don't you have a seat and I'll grab a cup of coffee and we can start discussing. Lets call it Pressing Issues with Deadlocks

Already in Kopitiam? Well here I came trollin then!

Tempting to post something unseful since the moment I lays my eyes on the OP

Thanks Shadow Kun.