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post Jul 29 2010, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(ryanliew87 @ Jul 29 2010, 02:43 PM)
basically im not an enginner....juz wondering if there any possibility to land a job in O&G companies??
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as per what Jhnzr said.

any kind of engineering...-----> technical (upstream&downstream--> exploration&production/refining/..etc2)

any other degree...-----> non technical (upstream&downstream--> procurement/accounts/HR/supply chain..even receptionist...etc2)


what certs n experience u're holding?
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post Jul 29 2010, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(electroyid @ Jul 29 2010, 03:12 PM)
hye guyz... i had pass my basic DP course in Singapore... n been applying since then.. but still no reply from all the company.. mind advice me how do i get my self in the DP company.. need work...need money for living..
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hrmmm... let me guess. dynamic positioning operator? if that is so, mybe you can try with local company such as bumi armada to be their dp officer.
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post Jul 29 2010, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(electroyid @ Jul 29 2010, 03:43 PM)
send my resume alrdy...twice.. didnt get any reply yet... hmm..
r u a seaman??
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yep. i'm sea-going marine engineer. it's quite weird bcoz dp officer is in great demand as far as i know. btw, have u finish already 6month familiarization onboard DP vessel for DP officer?
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post Jul 30 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Jul 30 2010, 09:27 AM)
Destroyer : yes, a mariner is a seafarer. there is an opening for a class 1 foreign going master and also a class one foreign going engineer. i.e. marine captain and chief engineer. However, experience in support vessels is essential but not neccessary. So if u'ev worked on a workboat before your chances are high. There is also an opening for a Marine HSE Coordinator and a Marine Safety officer. I emphasize marine cos having sailing experience helps a lot. SO if you have friends who have perhaps done their sea time as a cadet but dun wanna continue, get them to buzz me and I'll ask them to take up a HSE course and well the future would look much brighter.
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hrm.... i've known some people who have the class 1 COC. both captain n chief engneer. for the vacancy available, how much usually the salary given to class 1 COC seafarer in OnG?

about the cadet, i'll try to look around if any of my fren interested. juz want 2 know, let say they've undergo the course, what is the expected salary. just wanna know coz fresh diploma grads onboard ship are paid usd2200 as a starting.
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post Jul 30 2010, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Jul 30 2010, 11:19 AM)
You wanna sail or you wanna be on shore - it's their pick. If they decide to sail then stay at sea, if offshore they dun have anything related to sailing which they can use on any other job except sailing. For marine HSE the core is HSE not marine. The sailnig experience is only used as a leverage to get their foot in.

And I dun think fresh dip grads gets USD2200 monthly as on board a vessel, it does not matter what qualification u had from shore, everyone starts from the bottom i.e. a Cadet. ur friends are BS-ing you man lol.
For marine captains on board the salary range is between USD250 - USD500 a day. it's less than half of the global rates but it all depends on the fellow. If he wants to do it or not, that's why we have captains from Myanmar and indonesia filling in the gaps out here in offshore world.

As for the course, well go attend NIOSH, and like any other career, ur'e new to the damn field dun expect much. I had one uni grad, well actually a masters in chemistry or something like that who just toko a NIOSH course ( safety officer course) and demanded 10k  month. lol. I asked him to come in for interview then fired the living daylights out of him. cos he could not answer questions pertaining to HSE but instead tried to outsmart me with his knowledge of chemistry lol. I told him what he knows about chemistry has no relevance to the work in HSE. SO basically i told him to take his masters in chemistry and stick it where the sun dun shine if he wants to get into HSE lol.

yeah i'm evil I know but we dun need smart alecs and ppl who demand unless they can prove themselves. SO freshies, be careful if you find someone like me lol, actually theyre lots of guys like me in our world. lolx.
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yeah quite true what you've said. but i've already pass cadetship. salary only usd200. cadetship is my 3rd & 4th sem. yup. it's true my current company pay about usd2200 for diploma fresh grads(4th eng&3rd officer). but not really fresh. coz need to take exam from Marine Department. and also we've undergo 12months of cadetship.

i'm asking about salary coz wanna know the rate seafarer will be getting if they jump into OnG.
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post Aug 3 2010, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Aug 3 2010, 08:21 AM)
bro, u gotta get ur license before you can even try to touch usd2.2k. As a cadet u're getting jack shit if u asked me. I used to get USD 700 as a basic and then we had cadet allowances which varies from month to month depending on the chief mate and the vessel, which usually starts from a min of USD 250 up to USD 500 a month extra. But then again , that was when sea time for cadet training was 24months unlike now which I heard is only 12 months? crap man no wonder the quality of masters we're getting here are BAD!. I've seen masters and chief mates who cant even plan a proper passage!! >.< and I wonder how the heck these guys get their tickets!?
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yep. that's why i told u that i only getting usd200 as a cadet before. yep. only 200.now extra anything. now as 4th eng i'm earning bout usd2.2k as a starting. my diploma requirement only 12month seatime. for the 24month seatime, it actually depends on the college itself. marine department requirement only 6 month seatime as a cadet for engineer. 12 month for deck cadet. but some maritime college offering courses that 1 year college study and 2 years of shipboard training as a cadet. this is because for some students who prefer to pay cheaper college fees, they choose 2 years of shipboard training. while some that dun wanna spend too much time on sea can opt for 2 years college and 1 year shipboard training. but they have to pay more on tuition fees.

like u've said, some master n chief mate can't plan proper passage. it actually depends on the person itself. honestly from what i've seen. i've met the top 4(master, chief eng, chief off, n 2nd eng) people during my sailing, all of them perform well. sumtimes, they can get their tickets because they can memorize well. but when it come to working, some of them suck.

it also depends on the company. in some company, captain and chief off don't keep watch. captain will do more on ship management(but sometimes they also standby during manouvering) and chief officer only do cargo operation. some company, captain and chief off also need to keep watch.
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post Aug 11 2010, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Aug 11 2010, 10:08 AM)
Overall the master's i've seen here that are really bad are local trade licensed. Which makes me wonder WTF the marine dept is doing, churning out tickets to people like that.

As for the sea time 24 months WAS the required time for Foreign Going license for the Singapore Marine Dept. And it used to be the same for Malaysian marine Dept as well but during my final few months on board I heard that they shortened it to 20 month sea time, and I guess now i'ts even worse! only 12 months! >< nobody will learn much in 12 months seriously, I was on board Container vessels and tankers, and I had a chance to sail on one 30 yr old container vessel and a massive 5,400 TEU container vessel, Oh plus I was also on a VLCC! and managed to go alongside a ULCC and maan it was HUGE!!!! All this I did while sailing as a cadet. SO 12 months? really not enough time to experience all one can experience as during cadet time is our honey moon time! lolx
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haha. yup3. some malaysian that i meet in my company are very good. but their ticket not from malaysia.

i believe that they reduced the seatime required because lack of senior officers. but this will also make the quality worse. in some country, they've to undergo class 2, sail for some time then take class 1. in malaysia it is combined class2 and class 1. that's why i believe make the current officer suck. they're still young and lack of experience and competency.

btw, what is ur position now in OnG?
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post Aug 12 2010, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Aug 12 2010, 04:34 PM)
Now i'm a kuli oni. Marnie HSE Specialist. Got sucked back in, into the marine line after I left it like YEARS ago. But it is an advantage for me now as there is a need for Marine HSE but lack of marine personnel who can run HSE effectively. I guess i'm lucky cos after i left the marine line, I ventured into HSE and loved HSE so much until this offer came, I ws reluctant but well the offer wasnt that bad so I grabbed it after I finished my last contract ( I freelance btw) SO now this is like the longest contract 3 +2 yrs and it's so relaxing lol. Plus I get to argue with HSE ppl who do not know much about marine and argue with marine ppl who do not know much about HSE lolx. I guess i fill the gap? lolx
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yups. quite true what you've said. if we take sumone and put them into HSE, stupid and ridiculous thing will come out. it is better for someone from marine industry itself to be HSE for marine. freelance? nice man. i've met marine consultant from singapore come onboard my last ship. they got paid usd 2000 per day for writing report about my ship. they stay for about 3 days. shit man. big bucks. but they have to write 500++ page report in that 3 days. haha. heavy load also.

for those started from deck side, i've found it easier for them to entr HSE coz i've search around and found that most marine HSE superintendent requires Class 1 deck officer COC. can those from engine side also join HSE? mind elaborating more about it since quite curious about it.

btw, u're from bp or shell? since i think those two are major OnG which also have marine fleet.
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post Aug 16 2010, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Aug 13 2010, 09:25 AM)
Not true, it's a very niche thing so requirements are not too strict as there is a real shortage for Marine HSE. For example, here in Miri the majority of plp who are in Marine HSE are basically ppl who have never gone to sea or those who have been to sea but HSE is not their core. Lucky for me I'm balanced? lolx. I used to sail but HSE is my strong point thus I can relate to the mariners on board. Oh plus I LOVE to argue a LOT lolx.

Preference is from Deck side as in HSE you know the law and can churn out reports like breathing, yeah HSE is all about documentation and reports lolx. And those from Deck I feel has exposure to reporting or rather story writing skills compared to engine side as on the engine side its all about numbers and not much story telling. ALthough I may be wrong. For surveyors such as Class Surveyors they prefer Engineers as it is very techincal but I say it aint that hard cos Deck side we have to know about the engine too and a chief engineer doesnt need to know about navigation.

I'm neither from BP nor Shell, they hardly hire freelancers direct, I'm sitting on the contractor side, but behave like i'm on client side, cos I can! hahaha.
Well, it is less stressful compared to my previous project and the salary's slightly lower but I aint complaining. hehehe
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haha. quite true what you've said. engineers usually stay inside engine room. and even after reaching senior management such as chief engineer, they'll still commanding much about engine room. while for master, their duties is to overlook the entire ship operation as they are the company representative onboard. master can help u from geting fu** byt he company and also can f**k u for the sake of the company. this is what my previous captain told me. haha. he's from singapore poly btw.

yup engine people write less about report. only took pictures then write short description n asking for spares tongue.gif .

haha. i've seen both class surveyor from deck n engine. but like u've said. most of them are either ex-chief engineer or naval architect.

btw, moz offshore support vessel have Dynamic positioning System. usually, if any malfunction occur, will they have speacialist DP engineer or just marine engineer to do it?

salaries you're getting on shore and onboard which one more satisfying to u?
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post Aug 17 2010, 04:58 PM

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@noyze

heard those deck guys with DP operator can earn big with offshore company. lucky u guys. haha. DP vessel master i heard that they earn up to usd500 per day. even 2ndmate with DP operator license also can earn big.

haha. do u have any ideas if DP capabilities onboard offshore ships can benefits engineers. heard that engineers onboard DP vessel still earn peanuts coz capabilities as engineer onboard DP vessel isn't considered "special". is it true?
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post Sep 7 2010, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(kerrigan_id @ Sep 7 2010, 10:30 PM)
hello sifus
juz got a call for an interview for the post service project eng.
browsed this thread for a while and found out that the basic pay for an eng is quite high for a fresh grad.
the thing is,im offered 2k,so this got me thinking,will i be doing technician work, as im really looking for an engineering job
btw im a fresh grad,bachelor electrical eng.
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walaw... there are two types of work in engineering world. it is either OPERATIONAL engineer or OFFICE engineer.

no wonder grads nowadays plenty are jobless. they just don't know the reality outside.
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post Sep 8 2010, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Sep 8 2010, 10:23 AM)
Actually, global rate for Master ( Foreign Going License ) is USD 1k if USD500 a day kene con lah lolx.

Also FMC would be a better platform to join international companies or rather for a chance to be placed overseas and also to get picked up by companies not operating in Malaysia. Ranhill, there's more local jobs.

For Sapura Crest, make sure the contract you sign is under sapura crest instead of TLG, But more likely than most you will get a contract to sign with TLG.TLG and TLO are learning / training grounds for Crest and other main cons.
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haha. that's why it keep me wondering. but mos malaysia company pay that rate as max salary for both master and chief eng. guess that malaysian seafarers pretty much conned tongue.gif
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post Sep 15 2010, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(wishbone @ Sep 12 2010, 01:36 PM)
That's not always true. It depends on the type of qualification and experience the Master mariner has, i.e. supply boats, anchor handling, drillship etc. DP certification would probably add 50 percent extra on the day rate.

That aside, the color of one's skin also determines the size of the pay cheque. You gotta live with that.

USD500/day is pretty decent for a Malaysian master mariner.
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i believe that skin colour only apply to company other than UK vessel. coz UK already standardize seafarer salary for those sailing under UK flagged vessel.

yep. usd500 per day is the normal rate for malaysia company for captain n chief eng.
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post Sep 18 2010, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Sep 17 2010, 11:05 AM)
Anyways, I was argueing with my Head of marine earlier and welll guess what? He challenged me to get cv's of malaysian master mariners then only talk about rates, the problem i'm having here is that the current masters we have are from myanmar or indonesia and crap man so many problems, main thing is hte language barrier >.< SO any masters around do send me ur c.v.'s then see how lah k?
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too bad one of my malaysian capt already sailed. maybe you can find more malaysian master in MISC.
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post Sep 21 2010, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Sep 21 2010, 11:52 AM)
SOOOO many companies looking for engineers nia. I just helped my brother get a job. good one too. he's with this german company based in KL and well his 3rd year working after getting his degree and his salary with that company already 5 digits. Kaneh took me longer to earn that much lol. Then again i aint no engineer lolx.
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haha. later if i pursue degree after tired of sailing, u must help fellow seaman also k!
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post Sep 24 2010, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(fookie @ Sep 23 2010, 10:34 PM)
guys, in oil rigs, how much does the chefs there earn *roughly* and hows their working hours etc etc. anyone has that information?
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i believe it should be around usd 1200++ onwards. at least that is how much they pay minimum for 2nd cook onboard ship.
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post Oct 5 2010, 04:37 PM

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People think that with master degree or PhD, they deserve the right to demand more salary. it just don't happen if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE.

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