Nah, when I said once bitten twice shy, I meant the developer should hv the common sense to get it right for Verde after what they experienced with Atmosfera. Difference is, I do not stereotype a developer base on one project in particular, I'm sure they have a fair share of success for other projects as well... Likewise, I m sure the once medium size developers like Mah Sing and SP Setia has experienced the same, but that did not stop them from growing to a reputable developer now. It took time but they persisted. So... I m sure Villamas will place greater emphasis to Verde's quality if they ever wish to grow. Additionally, it is human nature to always amplify on other's mistakes but never on their contributions or success... given those considerations, my risk is manageable and yes... I will still place my bet on Verde....

Yeah, people got frustrated. Why? Because some developer repeatedly fails to rectify the issues faced by the purchasers.

Question is, does anyone have any idea how efficient has Villamas been? Yeah, I know because I experienced it. The answer is NOT VERY EFFICIENT at all. If they are so efficient, please ask them, as on late Oct, why there is no confirmed date to fix Atmosfera's elevators yet?

Please why only few months after handovers already got flooding problem in basement carpark and common corridor when it rains heavily? Why even the barbeque pit got issue?

I am not over generalizing. I speak with specifics. And why I dare to say all this without fearing libel lawsuit from Villamas? Because it is all true.

Actually i read about Villamas's shoddy workmanship before I purchased Atmosfera. I thought, this condo is their first venture into the higher-end market, so they will put in 110% to make sure this project is a success. Then they will have a good example to showcase when they market Serin, Zefer and Verde.

Well, I don't know how many % they put in in reality, but I know it is definitely NOT GOOD enough!

So what make anyone think they have learned their lesson?

Demand really so good?

Nova almost sold out. Ara Green pricing, ppl oso willing to buy. Hijauan sell quietly also can sold a lot. Now, Verde by Villamas also left 6 units only.  Somemore Villamas.

Good significance of the market condo in this area???

The narket seems prove I am wrong but how come Ara Hills tak jadi? Lol.

Bro, how did u come out with 4k installment per month?

The property investment follows a cycle.

If we had bought any property the last 5 years, you will more likely than not gain super profits. But if you buy now, the profits accumulation will be slower as we are either at the end of the cycle or begining. It will peak again. So the holding power is critical.

But I don't think you will burn yourself if you buy from developer now even if you don't have the holding power. More likely to breakeven in the worse case scenario as property price in Klang Valley rarely drop below developer price. Further, a lot of development now is DIBS or ISS hence you will not lose the interest as well.

Just my 2cent view.

+1

That's the problem with established developers. When they are too big... U guys are small fry to them... But i still think SHC can do well if handled by the UPTOWN group. They have to adapt to the ever changing market condition.

LOL chinaman cannot handle criticism.. instead being so judgemental becos Verde also havent been built then already say people's workmanship lousy. Small brain people memang like this... SHC also havent build also u say better design and quality... u this kind of people memang only know how to talk nonsense. How old are you kid?

You said investment always look at location ar? come on la.... if u already know so much then share la... noob. dont just know how to be judgemental but all base on assumptions... typical chinaman... Investor your head la... u must be one lousy investor wasting your life here with shallow comments.

Err.. excuse me. Are we comparing Villamas' workmanship vs SHC's?
Yea, both haven't completed so the best way is to look at past record.
In that case, then it's like comparing heaven to hell.
Villamas is bad beyond belief..

Yesterday the more I think the more I feel you are like a DEVELOPER PEOPLE or REAL ESTATE AGENTS. Cause you know why ?? 
Because most of the buyer will share info where is the new coming property in the market but you instead say that " All news are internal and will not reveal untill it is launched".
That happens to all developer same as AraGreens last time, same as Verde and SHC also now, wont reveal much at all at the start.
Most of the times that people that wont reveal are the people inside or work for the inside.
If you are not from that 2 parties why can't reveal it.
At lease some basic infomation
Who's the Developer it is ?
Is it LH or FH ?
Roughly how many units they going to have there ?
What is the rough PSF ?

LOL !!
I donno what's with you and Brainyone problem, or maybe you say something that offended him.
But with this post that you post really have offended me.
I assume I'm the "stupidone" that blame you are an agent or the developer people. You still can deny that you are not from 1 of the parties, isn't that easy??
Back to the post that I posted, I post " I feel you are like a DEVELOPER PEOPLE or REAL ESTATE AGENTS " --> Do you understand that. That is not blame. That's is my feeling. I feel that you are.....only.
No need to say the "stupid word" coming out from you, that really offend people.
That why some war started of because donno how to use the right word at the right time.
Back to my last post that I posted, I believe that you so call say that with your experience,  your property, you knowledge and your wealth - I assume you have all that.
With my polite way to ask you on the last post that
Will the development next to PP a good buy ??
Some basic information to share with all ?
Who's the Developer it is ?
Is it LH or FH ?
Roughly how many units they going to have there ?
What is the rough PSF ?
Isn't that easy question to answer.

My thinking.
You say you are 1 of the friend and a bulk purchaser for the project next to PP. No wonder you keep say other people project not good loh, because you bought that project already and somemore you are the friend for that developer - i keep assuming you are a friend not a developer people or real estate agent that want to promote own projects and talk bad about other people projects.

If let say you really not the 2 parties.
Why can't you share with us the new development next to PP since you are the first buy that already buy there. No need to scare other people to grab from you loh, for sure all the nice units have been taken by you already and left those not nice units for us to buy.