I need help !

My company recently set up a branch in Johor, and in that place, Streamyx only offer 1Mbps lines.

So my company signed up for 3 X 1Mbps lines, hoping that we can get at least 3Mbps throughput to support the business need.

And it turns out a big disaster.

No matter how we hook the lines to our internal network, we got 1Mbps throughput to the outside, as if we are only using 1 of the 3 Streamyx lines.

I googled and found that there is a thing call "broadband bonding" and there is a special modem from ZyXel that can support bonding for multiple broadband lines ( Model P663H-51 )

I need help !

I need to know if anyone here every tried "broadband bonding" before, and how you guys handle such situations?

Do I really need to get that Model P663H-51 modem from ZyXel to get it to work, or is it any alternative method?

Our network consists of about 50 windows computer, connected to 4 X 16port routers (the 3 routers are connected to each others) and the network also connect to 4 Xerox machines (photocopy machines) and several scanners.

Can somebody help ?

Thank you !

Edit: The link to the ZyXel router is http://www.zyxel.com/products_services/p_663h_51.shtml

This post has been edited by ash tray: Oct 18 2012, 05:56 PM

The best you can do is Load Balancing, bonding must be end to end,

means at your place and ISP must support it too

search for load balancer
my com using peplink for unifi+streamyx

u need a VPN on the ISP side to get it done..

it can't be done standalone, if merge those 3 connections it'll just do load balance good for simultenous down/uplink

try check out jaring flite enterprise they offer bonded ADSL solution
http://www.jaring.my/business/index.cfm?tag=jfe&sub=default

3 routers to 3 gateways connected to x-number of switch.

The computers will be assigned with different gateway and connected to different streamyx services.

This is what has been done to our company, we register everyone MAC so that we can assign the correct gateway.

gateway 1.1 for Sales
gateway 1.2 for Tech
gateway 1.3 for Others

So every department is having their own 1 Mbps, so far, we found out this solution is cheap after considering "special" bonding hardware.

Thank you for your reply !

May I know if the computers that are assigned to gateway 1.1 (the Sales department) are hooked on to the same internal network as the ones that are assigned to gateway 1.2 (the Tech department)?

If yes, how do you do it?

In our case, when we took a cluster of computers (let's say 12) and assigned them to a 16-port switch A, which is hooked on to Streamyx supplied (wifi) router 1, another computer cluster (let's say 11) and assigned them to a 16-port switch B, which we hooked on to Streamyx supplied Dlink router 2, the computers in cluster A and cluster B can go online, no problem.

The pipe ("broadband connection") to the outside, in this arrangement, is 2 X 1Mbps.

When we do it this way, computers within cluster A can only "talk to" other computers within the same cluster A via its own internal network. They aren't wired to computers from cluster B so they can't "talk" to computers from cluster B via our own company's internal network.

But, when we hooked switch A and switch B together, either directly (a cable in between switch A and switch B), or indirectly (hooked switch A to switch C, and switch C to switch B), everything changed drastically.

Under this new arrangement, we merge the two internal networks - which means computers from cluster A can talk to computers from cluster B via our company's internal network.

But one problem arrises - all the computers, no matter if they are assigned to switch A or switch B, all got out to the outside via 1 (one) Streamyx line only !

In other words, when we do it this way, our pipe ("broadband connection") to the outside got down to 1 X 1Mbps speed !

That's why we are in a bind.

What we truly need is a way that we can tap on the throughput of all the 3 X 1Mbps Streamyx ADSL lines we've subscribed while all our computers and peripherals (scanners, Xerox machines, etc) can talk to each others via one internal network.

How to achieve that, without having to go the route of load balancing and all those fancy techniques?

Can somebody help?

Thank you all again !!

This post has been edited by ash tray: Oct 19 2012, 08:18 AM

try negotiate with tm for a better line. sometimes they are willing to reroute some cables for you.
last time my ex company we are able to grab a seperate line from another exchange so the speed is more consistent.

and you should be able to get 4mbps fixed ip. tell them you are mnc and is expanding in the area blah blah.

for office to office i used netgear vpn box. http://www.netgear.com/business/products/s...-VPN-firewalls/

Thank you for your input.

We have tried to get a bigger pipe but Streamyx told us the biggest pipe they could give us was 1Mbps, and that's it. Not even 2Mbps, not even when we settle for fixed ip.

Actually, the company I work for is an MNC - it's inside the top 500 list - but Streamyx, being Streamyx, told us, in a broken record manner - "Sorry, the most we can get you is 1Mpbs per line, for we do not have any fibre installed in that area" - and that was why we subscribed to 3 ADSL lines hoping that at least we could get a throughput of 3 X 1Mbps.

What is hurting most is that in our area there is no UMobile coverage nor YES coverage, and P1 coverage is really really lousy (less than 128Kbps rate !!). And there is no Jaring nor Time nor Maxis broadband, so we had no alternative but to stick with Streamyx's 1Mbps ADSL lines.

Just get an outbound load balancing setup. You don't need a RM1000+ load balancer, pick up an an entry level Mikrotik RB750 and setup per connection balancing across the 3x PPPoE interfaces. You can go ahead and manually assign groups of PCs to individual gateways but this would be a waste of bandwidth when you can pool the 3Mbps together and distribute it across your entire network.

3x DSL modems (DSL bridge mode) -> 3x ports on an RB750/any other load balancer -> Your layer 2 switches

I've got this setup with 4x Unifi 20mbps links :



What engtat recommended is manual gateway assignment, you basically setup a flat network.. 3x gateways (IPs .1, .2, .3) in the same subnet with every other computer system. Then you use DHCP leases to assign the .1/.2/.3 gateway IPs to individual PCs based on which department their MAC address is registered to.

Thanks a million for your input !!

I'm googling for Mikrotik RB750 as I type.

Many, many thanks, again !!

This post has been edited by ash tray: Oct 19 2012, 10:43 AM

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't your company have an IT department who should know all these? Considering its a top500 company.

Mikrotik is cheap but hard to configure. Try also linksys rv082. Easier to set up with GUI.

*edit* oops rv082 Only dual wan. You'll need the rv016

This post has been edited by jovial: Oct 19 2012, 11:50 AM

Our company memang top 500 in the world, doesn't mean the local operation is.

There are probably some IT companies who can help you. They do charge $$$ but I'm guessing your company will be wiling to pay to solve the problem. I think that's the best long term solution as the company can offer a maintenance agreement if something goes wrong in the future. 3x Streamyx Biz accounts can't be cheap..

load balancer is much simpler AFAIK

Don't get me wrong. We do have an "IT department" from our national HQ in PJ, but they don't know nothing about nothing. And please do not ask me how they got the job in the first place.

The problem we have in our Johor branch, they came, and then, they left.

They kept telling the Johor branch manager that the 3 ADSL lines are working - in fact, they are not lying, all the 3 ADSL lines ARE working, it is just that with current set up we are only using the throughput of ONE (1) ADSL line.

Those "IT department support personnel" obviously do not know anything about load balancing. From my personal interaction with them I get the feeling that they may know how to set up a Window XP machine or a simple Streamyx ADSL (or unify) connection, and that is all they know.

That is why I am looking for help here. Hoping that we can find someone in the JB area which are experience in setting up either 1 of the 2 listed models of modem that I have listed, and enlist their help to solve the problem that our Johor branch is facing.

Is there anyone in JB who is familiar with setting up load-balancing ADSL modems?

Load balancing and broadband bonding are two different technologies. With load balancing you will not get the sum of the speed like you are trying to.
Similarly, the modems that support MLPPP based bonding is no good, as almost no ISP in the world supports MLPPP bonding.

You can accomplish broadband bonding with a device like truffle from mushroom networks. They also have software version of that I believe. That will give you the speed of all your ISPs. We have deployed this for many of our clients and has been extremely successful for us. Literally, the network related problems disappeared. So now we deploy the truffle units in every new install that we have.

You can if what you're doing opens 2 or more connections. Like a Speedtest or download, for example.

Hi ,

I'm looking for a help in setup truffle unit. can please help share if you got the user manual copy or any infos that could be helping ? couldn't find anywhere in internet, very difficult to get information on this truffle model like default IP for GUI such that. Its non-business just for a personal learning purposes. Thank you.