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kakarocht
post Nov 22 2012, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
If you use tile, also need to scrap the tiles once or while.
Or it'll gives polys kegatalan at the bottom.

cant find the filter pictures. It's like regular top filter.
Just have 3 or 4 tiers. Each tier has one type of media.
Quite heavy.

I read canister is not fit for heavy carnivorous fish. Bio load too much to handle.


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shower filter blog

Few weeks back, i saw Taobao is selling alot.
Tempted to get two units ( birchir and oscar tanks).
Hard to find locally.

Issue: my 4ft is the regular type, ceramic rings are very heavy...
Haizz..
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Can you post your aquarium pic? those shower system normally i'll diy it. Save cost but need to put own effort to do it. what i do is i get multipurpose 3 or 4 tray plastic tray. Tesco are selling it won't cost so much as depending on sizes/types/design max price i saw was RM 80 +/- only. brand if not mistaken is century. The larger the filter is better for larger thank (the best). All you need is PVC pipes, L shape pvc etc..Depending on your own setup. I'll show you mine (mini type) how i did it cos at the moment all my fishes i put it at my grandpa house since nobody staying there. doh.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Nov 22 2012, 07:05 PM)
Mind to share ur DIY filter? Should be interesting smile.gif
Hehe.. pump up ur monster, bro. Endlies look nicer as they get bigger. Feed them various kind of foods. Both of my bichirs take feeder fish as staple, but alternately grasp superworms and leftover crickets if they can get to it. My Endli can feed on 5-10 fishes for one night (sometimes even more, if he was left starving for quite some time).

Frankenstein II the plump guy tongue.gif

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He has the 'gator' look somehow

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Shot with yellow light on.. Oh my he's fat

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My ornate bichir hiding in resin trunk

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sure no problem. I'll try to snap the pic of the diy filter that i made (whether ready made/on progress project). If there is no any problems on weekend then probably i'll try to make the guide lines on how to do it. brows.gif costs is very cheap should be less than RM 100 +/- (depends on how big/size of filter you want to do) which already includes pvc's pipes and accessories. My tanks is very simple which I'm only using Fibreglass tanks (round shape which most of houses are using it) which is 6 x 6 feet. so my filter systems also simple as well which I only used the 12L bin (buy at tesco cost around Rm10 only) laugh.gif PVC requirement size small type (size around 1/2 inch standard size) be it the pipes or the accessories such as L shape, T shape etc cos my water pump only can accepts 1/2 inch pvc pipes. laugh.gif




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post Nov 23 2012, 03:20 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAQIxlpBcaQ&feature=share

this is the one I'm gonna do it. simple and easy. Cost less than 50 including the pvc's. this is also suitable for fish tank as well.

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post Nov 24 2012, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:41 AM)
the regular diy tower would be find, but those ceramic rings are very heavy.
And two pumps' filter is better than 1 pump? meaning more bio load filtered at faster rate, and sponges getting dirtier 2x faster too, ya?
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should be no problem. cos ceramic rings is not heavy actually. how much amount you used for ceramic rings? single pumps will do. I used single pump like the pic that i post which is only suitable for my environment. sponges is depends on the qualities you used actually. apparently i used 2 types of sponge which is thick types (for koi) other is cheaper type of sponge. the 1st tray i put 2 types of sponge - below is koi sponge (those thick sponge which is selling big size around RM 30) the top i only put 2-3 layers of cheap sponge (used and throw). 2nd tray you can put either bio balls/ceramic rings/lava rocks/arang. 3 tray same as well either you wan to put like tray 1/2 method. your choice. if can show your aqua rig/pic will do.
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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 24 2012, 06:54 PM)
My plan is like this:

1st drawer-white foam
2nd and 3rd- green and black foam?

And regarding the power head, is put in the water connect with a pvc to the top.
You guys think enough power kah?

Then 3rd drawer either drill more holes (as trickle output) or one big hole as output direct into aquarium.
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here is the sample of the diy filters that i made but haven't fully complete as shortage of pvc accessories.

DIY 3 storey filters... brows.gif

1) 3 storey filters

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2) The top layer hole is for the input.

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3) The top layer hole with the pvc input.

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4) The Trays with the holes for the filterations.

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* remember when doing DIY means you need some patient to do it. If you've no patient I recommend you buy ready made will do. brows.gif




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post Nov 25 2012, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 25 2012, 01:12 PM)
where can i search for ready made trickle filter?


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like that type? i don't think you're able to get it + price is not that cheap cos it is arkelik types. Like i say try to do diy can test your patient yo.. brows.gif if you want ready made i recommend you used the below on the floor types. Cost around 150 +/- only.

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post Nov 25 2012, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Nov 25 2012, 08:02 PM)
Nice job  rclxms.gif  Really itchy to see it done, bro  smile.gif
The water is super clear. That kind of filter should be for drinking water lol.
U mean goliath tiger fish? Wont it be dangerous for us, like during WC?
U planning for any kind of pond?

BTW this one selling cheap from mudah.my  http://www.mudah.my/Good+Brand+Top+Filter+4feet-19086910.htm

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hahaha...just do for fun nia..wan to cut cost ma. so diy is better.


Added on November 25, 2012, 8:50 pm
QUOTE(L3()nZ @ Nov 25 2012, 07:44 PM)
Yeah i am aiming for one too. I bought two back to kuching from KL...they didn survive the trip...damn....sad.gif

8ft for tank i think nearly 1k. For rack depends on what kind of quality you are aiming for. roughly 3k with filter.
I'm planning to move to 8.3.3 before chinese new year hahahahah. Hopefully Santa can grand me this wish  biggrin.gif

Issit the Water proof membrane? i think it's 防水胶。


Added on November 25, 2012, 7:46 pm

i saw this before. About 150 for one set. Without the internal media.....but i would still go for a sub tank as filter for monster fish keeping.
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subtank? that oso depends boss on your tanks as well. there are no preference to used subtank as filter for monster fish keeping. different ppl different styles but yet i would rather do research which is applicable for my needs and save cost as well. laugh.gif brows.gif from you used 8 feet tank y not you built a pond which is also cheap if you know how to do it actually. but i still prefer using fibertank/poly tank which is also safe cost and easy to maintain. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 25 2012, 09:37 PM)
Antzz, if goliath is like guppy fish.
You think we want to rear one?  brows.gif
That's why I say punggung gatal.  tongue.gif

RM150? So only one tier. Never saw it here in Ipoh. I think.
Mudah selling RM70 2nd hand.

Anyone from Ipoh can give me LFS who's selling this one tier filter.
Seems good enough to muat bottom rack tank. rolleyes.gif

What's a sub tank?
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subtank is another filter as well which is also looks like aquarium but many partitions. u see it actually if u goes to fish shop. brows.gif
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post Nov 25 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 25 2012, 10:13 PM)
i googled. Looks like sump tank blink.gif
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post Nov 26 2012, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 26 2012, 12:34 AM)
sorry, but pros and cons between sump & trickle/tower filter?
i know cannister wont fair good with those 2, but i did saw giant cannister filters made using big blue barrrels(used to store liquid/water/oil) in Batam before.

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actually the concept are still the same between sump and trickle filter. the diff only how the filteration works only as it is depending on your own setup. some ppl dun like the noise but they choose the trickle filter or sump filter. but most ppl will choose sump filter which is easy to get and depending on their setup. some fish shop do sell the aquarium in set with the sump filters. Some may need to make hole bottom of the aquarium in order to connect with the sump filter. but using the big cannister filters like you mention above it can last longer aka water clean if you how to maintain it and it required DIY as well which required patient. brows.gif


Added on November 26, 2012, 10:04 am
QUOTE(L3()nZ @ Nov 26 2012, 09:55 AM)
I wouldnt prefer pond for my case. As i prefer to view them side ways rather than just from top view. Unless for breeding stingray differnt story la haha. For my situation i guess a top filter for my 6 footer wound not be enough, as it would not be able to overcome all the bioloads my fishes are producing. Not to mention the filter cant be too big if it's a top filter. I tried different kinds of filters before, and in the end subtanks or diy Tangki filter is still the best choice considering u ve an extra space to hide the huge filter  biggrin.gif


Added on November 26, 2012, 9:58 am
i think any GAFT or VAFT will easily out grown the 4ft tank. But not to worry, if u get a 5inch baby goliath. U will still ve plenty of time to fund for a bigger tank rclxms.gif
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now funding all the giant fish and migrate it into my abandoned pond in my kg. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 10:16 AM)
I dont want to puncture holes in my current aquarium.
And also no space.
Who can suggest canister brands? MIC also acceptable as long as can last few years
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no need to get GTF just get pacu will do... brows.gif .. canister brands any also can used just the matters of size and $$$. The cheapers i saw is around 200 only. but yet i prefer go diy. why don't you try the diy method like i do? cheap and easy to maintain.


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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 26 2012, 10:27 AM)
sorry sis, im from subang hehe... not from Ipoh. biggrin.gif
2-3 eheim 2217 cannister filters will do good i guess?  hmm.gif
btw, if you are looking for good eheim subtitute, you could get the ever realible marineland C-Series Canister Filters.
they are robust, sturdy and wont failed you for petty stuffs, unless you did something really wrong with it. Theyre kinda like the american version of germani eheim filters. Though they dont come cheap and im not sure theyre spareparts are easily found in our shores.
Also, they got those filter pad media that able to tapis those dust/poo/taik ikan particles in water up to 0.5 microns.

thanx bro, still sketching some plans for my future big tank and its filter system. so i guess 8ftooter tank with 1 sump tank and with additional a few cannister filters will be enough?
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wow..with that kind of setup may cost you a bomb if you intend to get a big tank such as 8 footer. Mind to tell me what kind of fish you're planning to put it?

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 10:54 AM)
Pacu? Red Belly? Hmm.. Interesting.

marineland C-Series Canister Filters..hmm.will check out the price.
Might even google DIY canister ^^

Regarding the tier top filters, RMB80+ got already. Just the DOA (Damaged ON Arrival Risk). And of coz postage. If one go i get other junks, then M3 =rm400 will be nice and cheap
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if you diy the cost is cheaper than that including the pvc, pvc parts, drills and etc. laugh.gif try to do it you'll know how to diy it. just follow the steps like i made then should be no problem at all. cos i do that kind of filter is easy to maintain be it 3 trays or above should be no problem. just the matters is what kind of filter you're looking for. maybe i can try to gives you some ideas and what kind of material you need. you mention your aquarium is 4 feet x 2 rite?
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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 26 2012, 11:04 AM)
well, a pond would be better, but it will defeat the purpose of swimming fishes in the house itself. so i guess an 8ft(max) will be ideal, or 6-7 footer if 8ft is out of my budget reach.
planning to relocate my overstocked 3ft tank inhabitants, currently holding a 12" fat oscar, a 3" grown feeder goldfish(dunno why my oscar wont eat him like the rest of his frens, but i like him now, got him from 1cm, now already this big), 7 platydoras, an oriental goby and a school of malayan flying barbs.
thinking of adding a few polypterus(if they are compatible with my platydoras,if not, might have to ditch this idea), an aro and others(still looking, probably a datnoides, etc etc..lol)

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i lekemen you get this kind of tanks which is suitable for your needs. if your house has spme space of land ty to do the pond which is better also unless get the fiberglass.

fiberglass


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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 26 2012, 11:04 AM)
well, a pond would be better, but it will defeat the purpose of swimming fishes in the house itself. so i guess an 8ft(max) will be ideal, or 6-7 footer if 8ft is out of my budget reach.
planning to relocate my overstocked 3ft tank inhabitants, currently holding a 12" fat oscar, a 3" grown feeder goldfish(dunno why my oscar wont eat him like the rest of his frens, but i like him now, got him from 1cm, now already this big), 7 platydoras, an oriental goby and a school of malayan flying barbs.
thinking of adding a few polypterus(if they are compatible with my platydoras,if not, might have to ditch this idea), an aro and others(still looking, probably a datnoides, etc etc..lol)

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usually how much do they cost for 6-8ft tank? 12mm thickness with brace, for 2ftx2.5ft? or a 2.5ftx2.5ft side and height dimensions

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with that kind of thickness may cost you around 2k + cos glass thingy is aint no cheap boss. sweat.gif cos i've been told from my friend whom work in the glass furniture and many ppl customize their aquarium base on their needs based on the thickness of the glass and length as well to cut cost and long lasting i prefer using fiberglass/poly cos it won't easily crack and leaked compared with glass types. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 26 2012, 11:15 AM)
owh, fiberglass..
i always wonder what do you guys use for it..lol
but that thing have to be mounted on the wall?

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no need to wall mounted boss. like i mention just refer to the link that i gives to you it is much more suitable for your environment glass and it already cater your needs already since you mention the dimensions you want. if small types like 4feet only suitable for home decoration fish only. if you wan to put many giant monsters fish glass types is not suitable cos some monster fish like toman/arapaima can easily hit the glass either crack it or wounded the fish itself.
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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 11:22 AM)
It's 4*1.8*1.8
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okok. then just get 4 tier types will do and get the size bigger since you're using the 4 feet tank.

The ingredients needed is simple only.

1) 3/4 tier tray types ( cost me around 20 for medium (3 tier trays) and 30 for large types (4 tier trays)
1) cordless drill battery type (rechargeable) cost about RM 50 from giant brand. laugh.gif
2) drill bits (size as your preference in order to make the holes for your trickles filter)
3) hole saw (for plastic/pvc types) for 1/2 size for pvc. cost about RM 10 per pc.
4) some of the pvc pipes but i bought it about 16m if not mistaken cos around RM 20 +/- only. Can used for future projects.
3) pvc accessories such 90 degree elbow x 2 (1/2 inch), threaded bushing (1/2 inch), threaded 90 degrees (1/2 inch) and threaded plug (1/2 inch) (cost me around RM 10 cos buy few)


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QUOTE(antzz @ Nov 26 2012, 02:27 PM)
I just to a fren, a garden supply business owner. He can supply up to 11 feet fiberglass tank + long side glass, if i abandon the cement pond idea. About look, he recommended wood frames, as it is movable & got authentic look too (I'm thinking, i might ask for a wooden deck as well, but will cost a nuclear bomb to my pocket) sweat.gif

Do u know this guy Raymond Soon from Century Religious Supply? Been eyeing his products for years, but he's far in penang..
I totally understand this, i want this kinda tank as well! But we're gonna need a lot of space for this dream icon_rolleyes.gif
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not sure bro.. cos i also eyeing the 8ft fiberglass but i got call them before and they can transport the goods to anywhere. you can try to sms/call him as well. brows.gif price considered cheap liao. Cos i would prefer migrate to fiberglass/poly instead of using the normal aquarium glass which can cos a bomb.
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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 02:45 PM)
Antzz,
11ft?! Show us the pictures and price tag!  brows.gif

Kakarocht,
Thanks for the lists but i only understand till the "drill bit" parts  ohmy.gif

LuQee, You cepat survey TetraTec.
Maybe can join the pre-order before closes 15/12 (for me rolleyes.gif )
I cant find any Marineland C-Series in Taobao.
TetraTec Canister
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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 03:20 PM)
the saw hole is used with the drill?
I have drill.
What bout these? threaded bushing (1/2 inch), threaded 90 degrees (1/2 inch) and threaded plug
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yup need to used with the drill for the saw hole.

the pvc pipe

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threaded 90 degree

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threaded plug

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threaded bushing

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hose adapter

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 26 2012, 04:35 PM)
sorry sis,
cant order now due to my parents house still havent finished yet.
even if i order now... they will surely be angry for buying and using precious available space in the house. lol
me got house space issues currently.

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just used your current setup will do. wink.gif
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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 06:16 PM)
ha, if i buy one  (6 drawers, and 9 drawers). only rm105.
if take 9 drawers*2 units rm114.

baloi?

TetraTec canister RMB1200 might cost RM776 (+-)  brows.gif
Gonna continue survey. hihi. See FURNITURE  drool.gif
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yup..but depends on you also if you prefer to buy ready made which cost you a bomb y not buy it. its your money actually. laugh.gif

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