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post Nov 18 2012, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 18 2012, 04:05 PM)
I saw ppl used red and black.
It boosts the colorations and markings.
I myself used black and red soil.
WC weekly, and looking for better filter other than canister and sump.
Anyone has better ideas? I'm thinking of 4 tier top filter but quite heavy, and fear my 4ft will kapoot
Yeah now experimenting on black + dark red coloured tile.

Better filtration than cannister & sump, is there any? 4 tier top filter, u have picture of it? If its too heavy then might be quite risky to put on top of aquarium hood / lid. For now, i'll stick to sump filter + weekly WC.

So as promised, i just snapped few pics of my aquarium base's third choice

(3) Black + Dark Red, smooth surfaced tile (still experimenting, so still didnt cut the tile in aquarium shape, yet). Images :

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Current Observation :

3rd option seems to be the best by far, for few reasons :

a) Comfort. Its better than bare glass, which is too slippery for bichirs. Its proven for the 1st hour of observation, as both of my bichirs (Endi & Ornate) tend to choose more on tiled surface than glass.
b) Coloration. Dark and Red colour was said to boost most fish's colour, especially bottom dwellers like Bichirs. Thats why, white base is not good an option.
c) Looks. This option better than glass, in term of its colour and solidness. Solid-colour surface is way better than glass. It even reflects the moving currents of water in the tank (especially when the lights on). Very nice to see that biggrin.gif

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post Nov 18 2012, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
If you use tile, also need to scrap the tiles once or while.
Or it'll gives polys kegatalan at the bottom.
Is it because of algae or lumut? Its still slippery and shiny material, so i think wont collect much algaes, except the rough bottom side. Still need scratching job once a while, anyways sweat.gif

I have had enough experience with sands or soil substrate, later will use those white sands in turtle pond.

QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
cant find the filter pictures. It's like regular top filter.
Just have 3 or 4 tiers. Each tier has one type of media.
Quite heavy.
I read canister is not fit for heavy carnivorous fish. Bio load too much to handle.
I guess the very long top filter one, right? Hows ur aquarium like? Do u plan to put the filter on top of the hood? I think the most fragile part is the glass itself. If it has enough thickness and firm frame, should be ok.
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post Nov 18 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
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shower filter blog

Few weeks back, i saw Taobao is selling alot.
Tempted to get two units ( birchir and oscar tanks).
Hard to find locally.

Mine is metal rack with two4 ft ( top and bottom).
I think sump is not possible,coz no space. canister not big enough.
If is really big, my wallet also cant support.
If there's somebody who knows how to attach a roof for my rack, then maybe can have a roof that support the heavy filters.
But hb sure tak bagi. Pek Cheh yawn.gif
Wow.. 1st time i heard of this type of filtration system. The best in the world.. just by knowing that fact, makes me very happy indeed! biggrin.gif
But.. dont u realize that the kind of filtration is supposed to cover a HUGE amount of water, as in a pond? (About 2000 gallons). Or maybe u intend to find a smaller filter set, but with the same filtration system.

QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 18 2012, 05:14 PM)
Jangkitan i dont know much,just read from a forumer.
So.. is bare base (glass surface) better than tile? hmm.gif
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post Nov 18 2012, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 18 2012, 05:27 PM)
There is aquarium version. 3ft or 4ft.
RMB160+ each.
Ive never seen any, but thanks to give the idea anyway. Might consider for future projects smile.gif

Have u tried the big pet shop in Ipoh, the one in the mall (sorry i forgot which mall).
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post Nov 19 2012, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 18 2012, 07:29 PM)
alright. thanx for the info guys and girls.
well, looks like i have to vacumm them then since i need to use gravel due to my fishes like to play with it.

Why dont you guys use a sump tank full load(normal filter media..) + with high flowrate cannister filter(inside just use a bit of floss) with attached house water filter...?
Those house water filter pads can filter up to 0.5microns...and believe me...they look really crystal clear, donwside of it, you need to get a bigger flowrate power head and every week or a few days need to change the filter pads.
I like the idea that it gives u crystal clear water condition, but personally i think that kind of filtration is too much hassle, and quite hard to maintain. Weekly filter pads change is acceptable, but if once everyday (or even every other day), then its probably not for me. Thanks for the video provided, it helps to grasp the whole idea.

New way of filtration for me, has its own pro and contra there. Its amazing how u 1st discover the idea thumbup.gif
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post Nov 20 2012, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 20 2012, 11:06 AM)
i cant take credit for it though, since i just upgraded the design and
its use purpose to suit my need from planted tank community and i found out it really works for my oscar fish tank.

btw, already 2 days using new loose filter pads, so far so good, water is clearer. guess will see if it last at least a week.
will update with pictures of the filter pads later after it started become clogged
It was ur effort anyway. Have u tried other configurations? Like using filter pads looser than 0.5 microns?

QUOTE(awansakti @ Nov 20 2012, 10:29 AM)
The tile base is looking pretty well smile.gif wonder how it looks if fully covered with tile i.e. custom cut to shape.hehe
Thanks. But i havent had the time for decent photography, just taking a few snaps by my phone. So here goes

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Aragorn in action :

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Endi special shot :

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post Nov 20 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(mollymurder @ Nov 20 2012, 12:46 PM)
i heard tiles can lower down your water temp by 2-3° which is very good for a sub tropical tank..can u verify that antzz?
Honestly, i dont know that.. sweat.gif Thanks for the info. I will surely ask around and try to find out.

And oh, before i forget here are few things that i learnt from this tile project experience :

1) When choosing tiles, normal wall tiles are easier to cut and shape. Heavy duty tiles and slates (of sourse) are really a pain to cut in desirable design.
2) Many fishes are suitable with dark coloured base. They even feel more secure that way. So in many cases, the darker the better.
3) I think single tone colour tiles are better than those with certain patterns / shapes / drawings. They will provide more natural look in the base.
4) If ur tank can fit 2x2' tiles, go for it. It looks better and easier to maintain in future.
5) When cutting tiles, make it slightly bigger so u wont have large gaps between tiles. If they cant fit in the tank, u can slightly reduce the size by using carving / turner tool (kikir).
6) After done cutting, dont forget to turn the sharp edges by turner tool. U dont want to hurt ur hands (esp the tank dwellers, as well). Tile edges can be sharp sometimes, especially after being cut. Put gloves on as u work smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2012, 06:59 PM

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Thanks.. (Err.. if u referring to my tank, that is.. lol)

My tank is 5x2x2, with wooden cabinet and hood. Comes with piping and sump tank. I used 4500/L per hour rotary pump. Overall shots :

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post Nov 21 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(awansakti @ Nov 21 2012, 12:10 AM)
cun lah thumbup.gif  i think i saw this kind of tank in shop today. including sump and all lebih kurang rm900+ hehe
Wah so cheap? I bought mine for rm2500, on 2008. Complete with filter tank, pump, piping, all the filter medias, installation (and after sales consultation). The store ordered the tank from KL. I understand they need to bear the shipping and labour cost, but the price so much different sweat.gif

Later i should consider custom made tank, worth every cents. But have to know all the parts function and scustomization.

QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 21 2012, 10:16 AM)
bro antzz, how thick is the glass?
how do you do water change eh?
directly tap water from hose/pipe or manual labour extensive muscle bulging back-aching hose and pail bucket technique?  brows.gif
If i'm not wrong, the glass only 10mm, the normal thickness.

I do WC the easy way, from hose to toilet, add the anti-chlorine (and salt, if needed) as the water flows in. If i do the manual pail to-and-fro conventional method, it would be a back-breaking experience LOL

If u dont hv much time to spend on WC, u can use a water pump attached with hose for the water out. Just put the pump into ur tank and on the switch. That way u can take the water out very fast. U can use another pipe hose for adding water in, simultaneously or one after another.

Good luck icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 21 2012, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(ballons @ Nov 21 2012, 01:11 PM)
can i ask here.. what type of my poly is this.?
Ur poly? Cant tell la.. The pic too blur to identify.. U hv carnivorous comm tank, bro? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 22 2012, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(kakarocht @ Nov 22 2012, 09:30 AM)
Can you post your aquarium pic? those shower system normally i'll diy it. Save cost but need to put own effort to do it. what i do is i get multipurpose 3 or 4 tray plastic tray. Tesco are selling it won't cost so much as depending on sizes/types/design max price i saw was RM 80 +/- only. brand if not mistaken is century. The larger the filter is better for larger thank (the best). All you need is PVC pipes, L shape pvc etc..Depending on your own setup. I'll show you mine (mini type) how i did it cos at the moment all my fishes i put it at my grandpa house since nobody staying there.  doh.gif
Mind to share ur DIY filter? Should be interesting smile.gif

QUOTE(ballons @ Nov 22 2012, 04:46 PM)
hehe.. thx guys.. i really wonder wat fish it is.. the shop say it was ornate,but when i do so search its obviously not an ornate.. alrdy cover my tank..hihi B-)
Hehe.. pump up ur monster, bro. Endlies look nicer as they get bigger. Feed them various kind of foods. Both of my bichirs take feeder fish as staple, but alternately grasp superworms and leftover crickets if they can get to it. My Endli can feed on 5-10 fishes for one night (sometimes even more, if he was left starving for quite some time).

Frankenstein II the plump guy tongue.gif

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He has the 'gator' look somehow

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Shot with yellow light on.. Oh my he's fat

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My ornate bichir hiding in resin trunk

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post Nov 22 2012, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(ballons @ Nov 22 2012, 07:36 PM)
Thx, really appreciate the information.Wow, nice bichir bro. They are big :-) someday i will make my own bichir tank for sure biggrin.gifD
I remember one night when he ravages on lots feeder fishes (i think more than 10 pcs), he became this fat :

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BTW my ornate bichir still not that big, only about 8".

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Monsters of the tank : RTG, Endli & Ornate

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post Nov 22 2012, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(ballons @ Nov 22 2012, 08:22 PM)
haha i see. It seems big at the screen lol. how much endli cost at semenanjung for small one? im getting excited to keep a bichir lol but no money for now .. $_$
Sometimes price can be different even between same species and same size. Coloration, activeness, characteristics.. etc, u know, if u look thoroughly.

I bought my 8" Ornate for rm90. This guy has very special characteristics, i knew it the moment i saw him at the pet shop. Other smaller ornates was sold at rm70, just slightly smaller. But i knew my choice right away.

Ornates are more costly than Endlies (correct me if i'm wrong), thou Endlies can get way bigger than most other types of Bichirs.

My 2nd Endli, (named him Frankenstein II) bought @rm280 although slightly bigger than my 1st Endli, which i got for rm150. I noticed the 1st one was kept in a poor condition, small & bare tank. The colour so pale, can hardly see any markings on his body. Frankenstein II was another story. He was in great condition, being well-kept by his previous owner. He also has strong markings and good coloration. The owner even warned me about his enormous appetite, LOL. He's now about 13-14" in size.

Albino Bichirs has beautiful white-red colour, but they wont get very big in size, and also not as hardy as most bichir types.

Rope bichirs look a lot like snake. Long and thin body, looks very cool, but very much of escape artists. U must close ur aquarium almost all the time if u plan to own Ropes. Personally, i never tried them before. Maybe sometime in future sad.gif

Senegal bichirs are one of the most active sp of bichirs. Most recommendable.

My 1st two Albino Bichirs (really missed them) :

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A few choices from mudah.my

Senegal Bichir @rm30 http://www.mudah.my/Senegal+Bichir+9+inches-18978863.htm

Endlicheri @rm50 http://www.mudah.my/Fish-18691417.htm

Delhezi @rm50 http://www.mudah.my/Bichir+Poplypterus+Del...6878.htm?last=1

Lapradei @rm180 http://www.mudah.my/Wild+Polypterus+Bichir...ei-19086921.htm

Good luck icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(ballons @ Nov 23 2012, 12:39 PM)
Oh i see, btw im in Sabah, so i just hardly to get a diff sp of bichir. 1st time buy I think im going to have a tiger bichir lol. But it already sold out so the keeper say take the ornate. Somehow it was an endi. U guys really lucky to have a good fish shop there. Here dont have so much like vittatus, payara, and other rare fish. I hope someday will get one.. haha
Dont worry bro, this hobby ALWAYS can wait, we have nothing to lose after all. Just hunt around if u get the time and chances. At the same time u can gather as much information as u can. Knowledge is power, as long as we know how to control our situation.

QUOTE(kakarocht @ Nov 23 2012, 10:09 AM)
sure no problem. I'll try to snap the pic of the diy filter that i made (whether ready made/on progress project). If there is no any problems on weekend then probably i'll try to make the guide lines on how to do it.  brows.gif  costs is very cheap should be less than RM 100 +/- (depends on how big/size of filter you want to do) which already includes pvc's pipes and accessories. My tanks is very simple which I'm only using Fibreglass tanks (round shape which most of houses are using it) which is 6 x 6 feet. so my filter systems also simple as well which I only used the 12L bin (buy at tesco cost around Rm10 only) laugh.gif PVC requirement size small type (size around 1/2 inch standard size) be it the pipes or the accessories such as L shape, T shape etc cos my water pump only can accepts 1/2 inch pvc pipes.  laugh.gif
Thats quite a big container. But i think the real kick is in the weight it bears, as we're talking about top filtration. That filter of urs, is it heavy? I think plastic or fiberglass tanks can hold much weight but not for most aquariums. We might need another extra frame to bear the weight. Good idea anyway. Here's some other ideas from the net :

Tower filter :
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Quite heavy for the aquarium hood :
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A simple one
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[COLOR=blue]Double pump interesting idea :


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Good luck icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 24 2012, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ayah Pimp @ Nov 24 2012, 05:00 PM)
My Endlicheri..around 9 to 10 inch now. Makan xingat dunia...Aiyooo..sori..gambar diambil menggunakan nokia 3310S  rclxub.gif
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Nice fish. Very clear water as well smile.gif

Well for the 'makan x ingat dunia part' Me too i'm having the same situation with my bichirs (i used to have two big bichirs, remember). Those feeder fishes we usually bought from LFS, sometimes they give us very small fish. Those fish so small that they often too weak to avoid strong current, and end up dead stuck in the filter media. What i do is, separate the very small ones into my turtle tank (they make good algae eaters on the turtle shell too laugh.gif ) Even i dont feed them any special food, just leftovers of turtle food. But they still grow very fast nod.gif Then only i catch them and put into predator's den.

Advantages are, u get more value for ur money. Reducing money loss from dead small fish. Save ur filter medias from dead bodies. Joy of fish growth monitoring, fun fish-catching sports, blah blah blah..

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 24 2012, 06:54 PM)
My plan is like this:

1st drawer-white foam
2nd and 3rd- green and black foam?
U can as well put other media types below the foams, as desired.

QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 24 2012, 06:54 PM)
And regarding the power head, is put in the water connect with a pvc to the top.
You guys think enough power kah?
I think u may need more powerful pump, depending on the height of the tower.

QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 24 2012, 06:54 PM)
Then 3rd drawer either drill more holes (as trickle output) or one big hole as output direct into aquarium.
Personally, i prefer one big hole than many small ones. Reason is easier to manage the noise and water flow. But thats maybe unique for me and my preference only smile.gif

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post Nov 25 2012, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(kakarocht @ Nov 25 2012, 09:48 AM)
here is the sample of the diy filters that i made but haven't fully complete as shortage of pvc accessories.

DIY 3 storey filters... brows.gif

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* remember when doing DIY means you need some patient to do it. If you've no patient I recommend you buy ready made will do.  brows.gif
Nice job rclxms.gif Really itchy to see it done, bro smile.gif

QUOTE(LuQEE @ Nov 25 2012, 01:42 PM)
can give me good reason why you guys using trickle filters?
whats so good about it? sorry for abit newb on this.
is it the same as this filter on the video(the first tank? ignore the other tanks lol)

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The water is super clear. That kind of filter should be for drinking water lol.

QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 25 2012, 04:58 PM)
i want goliath. Love the shining coat (coat?  doh.gif ), and sharp taring.
But only 4ft with birchirs and oscar.
Hb already  mad.gif  mad.gif

U mean goliath tiger fish? Wont it be dangerous for us, like during WC?

QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 25 2012, 04:58 PM)
what do you call the pond liner in chinese?
U planning for any kind of pond?

BTW this one selling cheap from mudah.my http://www.mudah.my/Good+Brand+Top+Filter+4feet-19086910.htm

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post Nov 26 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(kakarocht @ Nov 25 2012, 08:43 PM)
hahaha...just do for fun nia..wan to cut cost ma. so diy is better.

Yeah i totally understand that. For me, when i DIY things it has to be for 3 big reasons. SELF-CUSTOMIZATION (u can add or reduce anywhere to suit ur need), EXPERIENCE, and SATISFACTION. Cost-cutting is a mere side reason biggrin.gif

QUOTE(kakarocht @ Nov 25 2012, 08:43 PM)

subtank? that oso depends boss on your tanks as well. there are no preference to used subtank as filter for monster fish keeping. different ppl different styles but yet i would rather do research which is applicable for my needs and save cost as well. laugh.gif  brows.gif from you used 8 feet tank y not you built a pond which is also cheap if you know how to do it actually. but i still prefer using fibertank/poly tank which is also safe cost and easy to maintain.  thumbup.gif
Thats why i keep using sump tank filtration. Been using top filter and cannister before, but i think sump tank is the best by far (for my case, at least).

Built pond can be a good sight, but fiber/poly tanks are movable. Nowadays even can cover blue/white fibertank walls with slated brick walls, which resembles built pond look.
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post Nov 26 2012, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(kakarocht @ Nov 26 2012, 11:08 AM)
i lekemen you get this kind of tanks which is suitable for your needs. if your house has spme space of land ty to do the pond which is better also unless get the fiberglass.

fiberglass
I just to a fren, a garden supply business owner. He can supply up to 11 feet fiberglass tank + long side glass, if i abandon the cement pond idea. About look, he recommended wood frames, as it is movable & got authentic look too (I'm thinking, i might ask for a wooden deck as well, but will cost a nuclear bomb to my pocket) sweat.gif

Do u know this guy Raymond Soon from Century Religious Supply? Been eyeing his products for years, but he's far in penang..

QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 12:19 PM)
I don't like fibre tank coz can't feel the fish.
My dream tank is big tank on the floor  brows.gif
Then I can sleep on the floor and doze off
I totally understand this, i want this kinda tank as well! But we're gonna need a lot of space for this dream icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Nov 26 2012, 02:45 PM)
Antzz,
11ft?! Show us the pictures and price tag!  brows.gif
This is the pic from his website. Today i saw it from their catalogue book as well. See fibre tank #13, sized 132x60x48 inches. He'll only order upon request. About the price tag, still dont ask him, cuz will only start project next year, after moving to new place biggrin.gif

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post Nov 26 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(kakarocht @ Nov 26 2012, 08:51 PM)
from which company? area and location?  brows.gif
Here's his fb page. U can ask around, very frenly owner. He got supply from many other suppliers.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Harit...9921400?fref=ts

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