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post Oct 15 2012, 04:55 PM, updated 13y ago

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Mechanical Keyboard Club is currently on v8
Special Thanks and Credits To Moogle Stilzkin for Creating The Mechanical Keyboard Club.

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Dome Switch
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Dome switch keyboards are a hybrid of flat-panel membrane and mechanical keyboards. They bring two circuit board traces together under a rubber or silicone keypad using either metal "dome" switches or polyester formed domes. The metal dome switches are formed pieces of stainless steel that, when compressed, give the user a crisp, positive tactile feedback. These metal types of dome switches are very common, are usually reliable to over 5 million cycles, and can be plated in either nickel, silver or gold. The rubber dome switches, most commonly referred to as polydomes, are formed polyester domes where the inside bubble is coated in graphite. While polydomes are typically cheaper than metal domes, they lack the crisp snap of the metal domes, and usually have a lower life specification. Polydomes are considered very quiet, but purists tend to find them "mushy" because the collapsing dome does not provide as much positive response as metal domes. For either metal or polydomes, when a key is pressed, it collapses the dome, which connects the two circuit traces and completes the connection to enter the character. The pattern on the PC board is often gold-plated.

Scissor Switch
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A special case of the computer keyboard dome-switch is the scissor-switch. The keys are attached to the keyboard via two plastic pieces that interlock in a "scissor"-like fashion, and snap to the keyboard and the key. It still uses rubber domes, but a special plastic 'scissors' mechanism links the keycap to a plunger that depresses the rubber dome with a much shorter travel than the typical rubber dome keyboard. Typically scissor-switch keyboards also employ 3-layer membranes as the electrical component of the switch. These stabilizing scissor-like devices extend the lifespan of the membrane to as much as 10 million keystrokes. They also usually have a shorter total key travel distance (2 mm instead of 3.5 – 4 mm for standard dome-switch keyswitches). This type of keyswitch is often found on the built-in keyboards on laptops and keyboards marketed as 'low-profile'. These keyboards are generally quiet and the keys require little force to press. Scissor-switch keyboards are typically slightly more expensive. They are harder to clean (due to the limited movement of the keys and their multiple attachment points) but also less likely to get debris in them as the gaps between the keys are often less (as there is no need for extra room to allow for the 'wiggle' in the key as you would find on a membrane keyboard).

Mechanical Keyboard Switches(All below are Mechanical Keyboard Switch)

Introduction - A Switch is Not "Just a Switch"
Many people ask for recommendations about switches without knowing exactly what they are looking for, but instead only with an idea of what their needs are. Fortunately, this is not always a problem because most mechanical switches will always feel nicer than rubber domes. However, the final choice is very important because a switch is not just a switch; it is the heart of what makes your keyboard have its feel and your personal tastes can make or break a keyboard for your uses. If you don't like the switch when you type on it, most likely, you won't ever like the keyboard.
Switches are generally rated by force using the weight measurement of Grams (g). Although force is more accurately described using Centinewtons (cN) However, 1g of weight applies about 1cN of downward force, so we can use "55g" when describing a 55cN-rated switch because that is sometimes easier to understand. For this fact; we'll use Grams as a measurement of force; though either term is correct.

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Cherry MX Green
Type: Tactile & Clicky Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: Yes
Activation force: 80 g

The Cherry MX Green is a stiffer version of the Cherry MX Blue, meant for space bar usage

=>Unlike most other Cherry MX switches, the plunger consists of not one, but two parts: a green plunger (that is connected to the key) and a white inner slider (which opens/closes the circuit). The movement of the inner slider is constrained by the green plunger, which can pull the slider up or push it down.

=>At rest, the inner slider is held by the leaf spring. The green plunger does not push on the slider until close to the activation point.

=>At the activation point, the green plunger has pushed the white slider out of rest into a position where the force of the leaf spring on the slider's inclined plane will propel the slider towards the bottom. The leaf spring encounters no more resistance from the slider and closes the circuit. Because the green plunger is no longer pushing on the white slider, the key resistance decreases sharply.

=>The "click" sound is made by the white slider hitting the bottom of the switch housing. The force of the leaf spring on the slider is high enough to make the switch function in any orientation.

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Cherry MX Black Switches
Type: Linear Switch
Tactile: No
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 60g (40g-80g overall)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
=>Cherry MX-Black switches are linear (non-tactile) switches, these are considered one of the best switch types for gaming. When gaming, having a tactile bump does absolutely nothing because you're going to be bottoming out anyway. So these give you a very smooth feel. The actuation and release points are at the exact same position as well. So games that require a lot of double tapping become easier than on any other keyswitch. However, most people don't enjoy typing on them that much do in part, to their linear nature.

=>If you're a person who tends to hit a wrong key every so often while gaming, these will be beneficial in that the high actuation force will help prevent many of those accidental presses.

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Cherry MX Brown Switches
Type: Tactile Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 45g (55g Peak Force)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
=>Cherry MX Brown switches are considered a middle ground between typing and "gaming" switches. They have a light, tactile feel half way through the key press that lets you know the switch has activated. This gives you an indication of what you can release the switch. The switch is considered a middle ground because the reset point & actuation point are close enough together than you can "float" at that point, enabling you to double tap faster.

=>As a note: this switch actually has a peak force of 55G, it is 45G at the point of actuation. This is due to the design of the Cherry switch itself.

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Cherry MX Blue Switches
Type: Tactile & Clicky Switch
Tactile: Yes, precise
Clicky: Yes
Actuation Force: 50g (60g Peak Force)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
=>Cherry MX Blue switches are the best cherry switch for typing. The tactile bump can easily be felt, and the resistance is similar to your average keyboard.

=>Although many people find them just fine for gaming, some don't like the fact that the release point is above the actuation point. This can cause some trouble with double-tapping. This is usually the case with someone who has experienced other mechanical switches before hand.

=>As a note: this switch actually has a peak force of 60g, it is 50g at the point of actuation. This is due to the design of the Cherry switch itself.

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Cherry MX Clear Switches
Type: Tactile Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 55g (65G peak force)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
=>Cherry MX Clear switches have often been called "stiffer browns" though some users note that they have more of a tactile feel than browns do. This really can be a subjective topic, though this is another switch that could be considered "ballanced." The force required is comparable to most rubber dome keyboards, with a nice tactile feedback to tell you the key has actuated. These switches are harder to find on keyboards.

=>As a note: this switch actually has a peak force of 65g, it is 55g at the point of actuation. This is due to the design of the Cherry switch itself.

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Cherry MX Red Switches
Type: Linear Switch
Tactile: No
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 45g
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
=>Cherry MX-Red's are another switch that can be considered a "gaming" switch. It's essentially a lighter version of the MX Black, requiring less force to actuate. Most people do not find this switch that good for typing or gaming because it is so light. This switch is hard to find; and was reported as obsolete. Though some board makers still use it for Special Edition keyboards.

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Buckling Spring Keyswitches
Type: Tactile & Clicky Mechanical Switch
Tactile: Yes, very precise
Clicky: Yes, loud
Actuation Force: 65g-70g
Key Travel: 2.3mm to actuation, 3.7mm to bottom
=>Buckling springs are pretty straightforward once you see them in action. After pushing the key down a certain distance the spring buckles under pressure, causing the hammer at the bottom to hit a membrane sheet and create an electrical contact. The buckling of the spring also provides tactile feedback and a satisfying click as it hits the shaft wall. And you might also notice through the force diagrams that this is the only mechanical switch where the tactile and audible feedback correspond to the exact moment the switch actuates.

Black Alps
Type: Tactile Mechanical Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: Simplified 60g, Complicated 70g
Key Travel: 3.5mm
=>Black Alps are one of the two most common Alps switch types. Many people do not like these switches due to the fact that they are stiff, bottom out hard, and tend to develop friction in the travel as they wear. Nonetheless, they are an improvement over most rubber dome keyboards.

=>There are two different types of Black Alps switch - an older type known as the "Complicated" due to the large number of parts in the switch, and a newer type known as the "Simplified", which was manufactured by Alps and some other companies. Complicated switches are common in many older keyboards, particularly the Dell AT101W, which is a very common mechanical keyboard from the 1990s.

=>The most well known Simplified Black switch is made by a company called Fukka, and was used in the ABS M1. The Fukka switch has less resistance, but many claim that it provides less solid tactility than the complicated switch.

White Alps
Type: Clicky & Tactile Mechanical Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: Yes
Actuation Force: 60g-70g
Key Travel: 3.5mm
=>White Alps are one of the most most common Alps switch types. These are far more popular than the Black switches due to more pronounced tactility, and the lower force requirements of some versions. Like the Black Alps, White Alps are much easier to bottom out on compared with other mechanical keyswitch designs.

=>As with the Black switch. there are Complicated and Simplified White switches. The two most popular Simplified White switches are the Fukka and the XM. The XM is almost universally considered to be a terrible switch, it was used on some older Filco Zero models, and some vintage keyboards. The Fukka switch is quite popular, and some people prefer them over the Complicated switch. It is used on some current production Alps keyboards such as current production Filco Zeros, Matias keyboards and some others. Complicated White switches were used on some well made keyboards from the 90s such as the Northgate and Focus keyboards.

=>There are also a variety of White Alps-like switches of varying quality. Some, like the SMK Monterey, are considered very pleasant to type on..

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Topre Key Switches
Type: Tactile Capacitive Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 30g, 35g, 45g, 55g depending on model
Key Travel: 4mm

=>Topre switches are somewhat of a hybrid switch, and are capacitive by nature. The Topre mechanism uses a spring underneath a rubber dome, and the depression of the spring causes a change in capacitance between the underlying capacitor pads. With this change in capacitance; the switch activates.

=>Topre Switches are considered some of the finest switches available, as they offer a very enjoyable typing experience with a quieter experience compared to a Cherry MX, Alps, or Buckling Spring switch. The reason is Topre switches have the smoothest force gradient even compared to Linear switches like MX-Reds and MX-Blacks.

Some keyboard review by moogle:
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Cherry G80-1295 cherry mx black
http://mognet.no-ip.info/wordpress/my-keyb...herry-mx-black/


Ducky DK-9008 G2 Tiger Limited Edition Cherry mx brown
http://mognet.no-ip.info/wordpress/my-keyb.../ducky-dk-9008/


The ducky kb picture is actually showing for the DK-9008 which i sold to someone else. I need to update the picture gallery to reflect for the DK9008 G2 Tiger Limited Edition which i currently am using. I'll update this one when i'm free 


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post Oct 15 2012, 04:56 PM

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Mechanical Keyboard Distributor Information

Ducky
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Cyntrix Technologies
Setia Walk Puchong
H-10-5, Block H, SetiaWalk
Persiaran Wawasan, Pusat Bandar Puchong,
47610 Puchong

Email: info@cyntrixtech.com
Office Tel: 03-79808166 / 012-6549166 (Phang)
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cyntrixtech
Brands: Ducky, Rosewill

Filco
Inter-Asia Technology Sdn Bhd
Tel: 03-7880 4001 / 03-7880 4002
Fax: 03-7880 9811
Website : http://www.inter-asia.com.my/
E-mail: info@inter-asia.com.my
Address:
16, Jalan PJU 3/47
Sunway Damansara,
47810 Petaling Jaya,
Selangor.

Leopold
Leopold MY Sdn Bhd
Tel: +6016-530 2920
Fax: N/A
Website : leopold
E-mail: info@leopold.com.my
Address:
153, Simpang Road,
34000 Taiping,
Perak.

Razer
Ban Leong Technologies Sdn Bhd
Tel: 03-7956 6300
Fax: N/A
Website : http://www.banleong.com.my
E-mail: support@banleong.com.my
Address:
Ban Leong Technologies Sdn Bhd
Lot 1.02, Level 3, Wisma Academy
Jalan 19/1, 46300 Petaling Jaya

Steelseries
PLAY Interactive Software Sdn Bhd
Tel: 03-7874 3877
Fax: 03-7874 5877
Website : playinteractive
E-mail: josephine@playinteractive.com.my
Address:
No. 222, Block A3,
Leisure Commerce Square,
No.9, Jalan PJS 8/9,
46150 Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.

Topre Realforce
Leopold MY Sdn Bhd
Tel: +6016-530 2920
Fax: N/A
Website : Topre JP
E-mail: info@leopold.com.my
Address:
153, Simpang Road,
34000 Taiping,
Perak.

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post Oct 15 2012, 04:59 PM

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Keyboard Enthusiasts Forum:
geekhack.org
deskthority.net

Aftermarket Keycap Sellers:
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com
http://www.keyboardstory.com
http://www.techkeys.us/
http://www.taobao.com
http://www.qwerkeys.co.uk/

International MKB Sellers:
http://matias.ca/
http://www.pckeyboard.com
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com
http://www.keyboardco.com
http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com
http://www.ebay.com
http://www.taobao.com

Note: some may not have international postage or are not mentioned, please contact them and verify

Possible brands of mech keyboard out there - needs constant update
Rosewill
Ducky
Razer
CM Storm
Steelseries
Vortex
KBT
HPE
Keycool
Leopold
Filco
DAS
Noppoo
Unicomp
Cherry
PLU
Solidtek
Monoprice
Tesoro Durandal
XArmor iOne
DSI
Rapoo
Azio
Max
Corsair
Mionix Zibal
QPad
SkyDigital
ThermalTake
iRocks
Adesso
Topre

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post Oct 15 2012, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(' or 1=1 -- @ Oct 15 2012, 05:06 PM)
i just got my first mechanical keyboard yesterday. :3 i love itssss biggrin.gif
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brand / switch?
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QUOTE(ricstc @ Oct 15 2012, 05:10 PM)
where everyone just shiok sendiri boasting their wares
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that is quite a misunderstanding statement, as you can see from previous threads, we dont boast our wares, we continue to strive to discover new things related to mkb, unless you choose to understand us in this way, so be it
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QUOTE(anscious @ Oct 15 2012, 08:51 PM)
guys, im new to mechanical kb here.. biggrin.gif am looking forward to get CM Storm Quickfire pro with mx blue switch. i have a few question here

1 ) i found some review mention the double tap problem with mx blue switch. will the key still be inserted if we double tap it without fully lifting my finger up?

2 ) any feedback on this kb ? thanks biggrin.gif
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it might be a bit harder at first, but can adapt quite later, it is due to the 2 layer switch which will make double tapping slower / harder, but i can manage it, the click sound is like an acknowledge that i keyed in what i want

CM Storm is accepted quality in this community, just the FREAKING HUGE branding (older batches) annoys us
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QUOTE(kyrmian @ Oct 16 2012, 10:43 AM)
Anyone interested in MX Mintgum CC? I don't really like how the colour turns up, I like deeper colour more, accepting cash or trades.   smile.gif
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pict please


Added on October 16, 2012, 10:53 amlike this?
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post Oct 16 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(moomanhang @ Oct 16 2012, 12:32 PM)
I WAN!!! but no money sad.gif

how much does it cost?
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ask krymian, not me
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QUOTE(' or 1=1 -- @ Oct 16 2012, 04:10 PM)
where can i buy the keycap puller? biggrin.gif
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garage sales / ebay / wasd site
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dang the oversized pic on my small notebook screen
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QUOTE(kyrmian @ Oct 16 2012, 09:50 PM)
ok lah ok lah, resize already

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I might be interested to let this go as well.

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the seductive red..
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post Oct 17 2012, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(benl40 @ Oct 17 2012, 08:38 AM)
I'm thinking of getting another mech keyboard for my home use/gaming

I'm considering these few keyboards : Pure, CM Storm Trigger, G710+, Ducky Shine 2. Not really in a rush so I could wait. Anyone could give me suggestion on the keyboards listed?

What I generally need is - Backlight, I type a lot with lights off.

About G710, so I was told the OEM would be iOne, which a lot of people giving bad feedback about their QC, how true is it?
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backlight = ducky shine 2 ftw
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Oct 17 2012, 09:46 PM)
Actually, I will had grabbed the PBT also if it is unprinted full black color, LOL...
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me too, holding back due to bad colors
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Oct 17 2012, 09:57 PM)
For me, my priority is always blank keycaps. So that I don't need to worry about the worn of fonts, LOL.
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your everyday pro typist statement
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Oct 17 2012, 09:58 PM)
RK9000 mx blue feels great to type on, i think zongeva can +1 to the "Blue feels good for thee fingers" comment  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
what awesome poison you got there!!!

wa.... why the size varied so drastically? Pure so compact, Trigger G710+ is fullsize + side macro keys and Shine 2 with standard layout???? im not sure how to recommend you, but if you only want backlit, then Shine 2 is the better choice for you among the mass. But if you got time and can wait, then i would suggest you wait for G710+ review to reveal the OEM behind it  laugh.gif
are the colors really that bad? i think it is kind of nice though... just that cash is not very optimistic at the moment... need to replenish abit first  sweat.gif
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i'd rather take some pbt off taobao then pbt black on black anytime
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QUOTE(benl40 @ Oct 17 2012, 10:02 PM)
Well, I already have full size so I don't mind trying out TKL, as some forumers said full size is bad for long term use lol =D
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with tkl u lose one thing gain one thing
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Oct 17 2012, 10:15 PM)
Then you should get this. You loss literally nothing but you gain literally everything one will ask for.
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1. PBT Keycap(those blank one is KBC POM) by default
2. Wireless
3. Backlit-able(just add your own LED and it is good to go)
4. TKL but with numpad
5. PCB mounted for a lighter weight(though it isn't exactly the lightest board around)    444
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the heck is this board? and the grey on white, not for me too, i like to see my letters, tq
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QUOTE(kid.itech @ Oct 17 2012, 10:29 PM)
https://9gag.com/gag/5614540
Not mechanical, but still nice.
Personally like the spacebar wub.gif
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perhaps we can make a set of keycaps like that thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kyrmian @ Oct 17 2012, 10:57 PM)
what's the model for the rosewill backlit?
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RK-9100 i suppose
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QUOTE(siles1991 @ Oct 18 2012, 03:56 AM)
oh okay thanks. is there anywhere i can test mechanical keyboards because I know people say it makes a huge diff I wanna know first hand the feeling?
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well, not a lot of places where you can try, the more common one will be the razer bwu, other that you may able to find to test will be the CM storm keyboards like trigger, rapid etc

try heavyarm ss15

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