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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V33, The People's Car

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post Oct 20 2012, 09:35 PM

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I don't think fuel rate = fuel consumed.
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post Oct 20 2012, 09:46 PM

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I'm not sure whether Saga has fuel return line but definitely flow rate doesn't mean all is consumed. When I cut off petrol injectors on my Persona, the fuel rate remains regulated.
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 21 2012, 02:16 PM)
ooo since sifu mat79 is here, would it be a good idea to chuck in a supercharger or turbocharger into a BLM in order to achieve better low end torque like how Preve CFE has a turbo?

What are the pros and cons you foresee?

Which would be the preferred choice, supercharger or turbocharger?
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Bro, I know you can't get away from forced induction. Lai lai, let's continue our plan tongue.gif

I have the price range for supercharger and turbocharger.

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post Oct 21 2012, 02:47 PM

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Piggyback the ECU or change to standalone tongue.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 21 2012, 02:50 PM)
If wanted to go to that extend, I think my traditional way much cheaper/convenient
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You can fit in carburetor to your Saga? biggrin.gif

Emission test: Fail
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post Oct 21 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 21 2012, 04:25 PM)
oooo ... mind sharing the price and package?
Don't judge us for we are who we are!! tongue.gif
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In short, supercharger is more expensive than turbocharger. Maybe it's uncommon. Let's talk about cheapest new setup, turbocharger needs RM6-7k, supercharger RM8k-9k. The price here for turbocharger includes the turbo, piping, one additional petrol injector, piggyback and full exhaust system. For supercharger, it's just the supercharger and piggyback.

david, if you're not using carburetor, you can fiddle with these:
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post Oct 23 2012, 05:43 PM

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Who is the owner of the Sprintex supercharger? Bought from G Car Care?

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post Oct 23 2012, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Oct 23 2012, 05:47 PM)
dunno wor... its done by Speedworks~!
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Speedworks!!! I didn't know they got supercharger now. How much is it? brows.gif
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post Oct 23 2012, 09:37 PM

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Cheaper to maintain and less complicated to install. However turbo is more common in Malaysia hence parts for turbo is cheaper. Turbo has more boost, more potential, higher efficiency. Turbo is actually a variant of centrifugal supercharger.

Supercharger has 3 main type: centrifugal, root and screw. The one sold by G Car Care is screw type.

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post Oct 24 2012, 09:00 AM

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Supercharger is always more expensive than turbocharger in Malaysia. That's what stopping me from going supercharger
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post Oct 24 2012, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Oct 24 2012, 01:20 PM)
mahihi, if put turbo, shouldnt all parts in engine also need change? my opinion, need to change too because parts inside engine for NA. when put turbo, need to change to parts where it can thana the pressure. if turbo in NA engine, takut piston rod bengkok in long term

Disadvantages of turbocharging
â– Turbo lag, especially on large turbos. A large turbo may give more peak power, but can take more time to spool up.
â– Driveability may be compromised, particularly when the boost threshold is approached and suddenly a surge of power is too much for the tyres to cope with, causing understeer/oversteer (depending on which wheels are driven). This reduces the useable power band of the engine, and leads to more wear and tear on the drivetrain.
â– Turbochargers are costly to add to NA engines, and add complexity. Adding a turbo can often cause a cascade of other engine modifications to cope with the increased power, such as exhaust manifold, intercooler, gauges, plumbing, lubrication, and possibly even the block and pistons.
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Don't worry so much about turbo, it isn't so scary.

TD04 size turbo, it starts boosting at 2k RPM, max at 5k RPM, good for improving daily driving. If want more high end power, of course get bigger turbo.

You don't need internal replacement up to 0.5-0.6 bar, some even manage to use stock ECU for 0.30-0.6 bar boost. The only thing that disturbs them is the rev cut at 6k RPM. I was told that Preve CFE is doing 0.75 bar with forged piston. The forged piston is plug and play with Campro IAFM 1.6, at least for Persona. Saga Campro 1.3 uses high compression piston but may be able to fit (?).

QUOTE(Mahihi @ Oct 24 2012, 01:35 PM)
soft boost bro soft boost bro,turbo can be done in 1k,but is potong turbine and piping oni,if not because of the ecu,i have do it so....the 1st fact u pointed out is already well known,so let's skip it to the 2nd point,dats oni applicable for large turbo like it said,soft turbo??neh....soft turbo i meant was oni 0.1-0.2 bar lo.....the pressure is not high enuff to have blow off sound....hehehe

p/s:of course even the ecu didnt kacau,u still need to fine tune it and the 1k i meant was not included
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Bro Mahihi, can you help me source turbo within 1k+? No need ECU management or piggyback.

One Malay chap offered me his used setup for 2.5k.
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post Oct 24 2012, 02:24 PM

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I got a secondary ECU from my NGV tongue.gif


Added on October 24, 2012, 2:25 pm
QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Oct 24 2012, 02:23 PM)
mahihi,

i interested with doris racing turbo package.

does they okay? when i ask, cvt2 gearbox will got problem or not..

standard replied by them.. sure no problem laa.. set low boost.. haha...

sekali gearbox cvt pecah i can buy new mivec engine + gearbox already..
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What is doris package?

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post Oct 24 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Oct 24 2012, 02:26 PM)
depends bro. from stage 1-2-3

if my gearbox is 4AT .. i not headache..
this is how when you need power and you have money.. you head sure fikir bukan2 hahahaha
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How much is the 'doris' package you mentioned?

QUOTE(Mahihi @ Oct 24 2012, 02:26 PM)
jangan bro,tukar engine better....cvt max torque 150 oni isnt it??


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wow,then it can be done,but then tuning it is another thing again,all $$ icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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Tuning is no problem. My NGV tuner is also very enthusiastic about turbo/supercharger. He kept encouraging me to go try.
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post Oct 24 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Oct 24 2012, 02:37 PM)
eh u go do la then,u tell him i go get own turbine,then recommend me go do piping at exhaust shop,then come back to u to tune....
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Buy turbine no problem, few hundred only, buy 2 for twin turbo also can. Exhaust manifold also can find/buy/custom. Need intake piping also. Intercooler also. Where to find/custom. Lol

QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Oct 24 2012, 02:43 PM)
true also bro.

cvt2 only tahan till 150nm..

sekali overboost.. tebabom.. lagi teruk...

than if like this.. i make up jer lah. :'(
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CVT gearbox so taufu meh? It's like engine redline 6.5k, not as if touch 6501 RPM, the engine kaboom.
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post Oct 24 2012, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Oct 24 2012, 02:48 PM)
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CVT GB is belting type... its more fragile thn normal AT GB... better think thrice b4 boosting ur car performance...
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Btw, are you the owner of the sprintex supercharger?
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post Oct 24 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Oct 24 2012, 03:20 PM)
bro, u pakai ngv hor? my iswara needs some tuning on the ngv setting. itu rpm when idle shoots over 1k wor..my friend's ngv can go 180km for a full pump rm8, but mine 130km already at risk liaw...i sadding now..if highway nonstop rawang-ipoh can max 170km only.. hopefully ur tuner can help me fine tune it so that it can go 180km, and no jerk..

my tuner really cannot ah..some more so far i cannot asyik go back ask his favour.. cry.gif
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My Persona RM9 can go Puchong-Ipoh 230KM, and still haven't finish yet. Could have went to eat chicken rice before the gas finishes.

My tuner is in Batu Caves, if want, then lets go.
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post Oct 25 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 25 2012, 01:49 PM)
Calling mengsuan ! this saturday TT u got come or not ~~~~ tongue.gif
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What time and where? I might be going to Ipoh this weekend
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post Oct 25 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 25 2012, 02:29 PM)
McD Sri Damansara noon ! biggrin.gif
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Sorry, can't make it. I will send my car to repaint the bonnet. Terkena tree stick, a bit dented.
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post Oct 27 2012, 12:54 PM

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I'm going Ipoh tomorrow. Need me to fetch your sister or not? laugh.gif
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post Oct 27 2012, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Oct 27 2012, 03:01 PM)
aiyah! u didnt say earlier...i went to kl sentral i got 2 tickets (including myself) to batu gajah liaw lor..
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Haha, can only fit 1 more person.

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