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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V33, The People's Car

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post Oct 20 2012, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(nickzkuso @ Oct 20 2012, 01:48 PM)
dry.gif very suspicious
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Dia mau main you mia batang antenna hmm.gif
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post Oct 20 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 20 2012, 01:57 PM)
0.o drifting is not related to antenna la... say so much i wan drift with ur fofi la ~

btw... anyone ? http://www.groupon.my/deals/klang-valley-s...293&a=715827992
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So have you put the fofi antenna on your gaga?

Those car wash coupons almost every week also have new one on groupon.
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post Oct 20 2012, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 20 2012, 02:06 PM)
yea... still best reception off all... and the length is not too long or too short... ngam ngam... looks nice...

so how one ? cause i dint wash car since i get my car back from the accident claim... sad.gif
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post Oct 20 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 20 2012, 02:18 PM)
cuci boleh... but detailing ma... sad.gif
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Got many supercars in their fb brows.gif

https://www.facebook.com/EBcarwash

Should be OK gua hmm.gif
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post Oct 20 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 20 2012, 02:36 PM)
u got fesbuk one meh ?
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No need fb acct to view their fb whistling.gif


Added on October 20, 2012, 2:55 pm
QUOTE(nickzkuso @ Oct 20 2012, 02:49 PM)
Since when I got blame u shocking.gif
I'm very brother with u
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Yep, you 2 memang mcm gorilla brothers.

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post Oct 20 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 20 2012, 03:54 PM)
yea meh ? but too bad i got only 1 fofi antenna... u ask dares wanna trade with u or not la... he want short ones...
That day after r3aper told me my antenna is expensive shit, I dowan to trade ady rclxs0.gif
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post Oct 20 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Oct 20 2012, 05:26 PM)
Did some testing with my gaga. Refer the graph below. Idling at N does have low fuel flow than at D. i dont know what can explain this.

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Added on October 20, 2012, 5:28 pmThe highest peaks indicate shifting from N to D. Then the ff stabilises. When switch to N, there is sudden drop of the ff value.
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This is in cc/minute?
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post Oct 20 2012, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Oct 20 2012, 09:46 PM)
I'm not sure whether Saga has fuel return line but definitely flow rate doesn't mean all is consumed. When I cut off petrol injectors on my Persona, the fuel rate remains regulated.
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Another anomaly with the fuel flow rate that I have not solved is, when engine braking downhill, the flow rate increases as if I'm accelerating doh.gif But that is not reflected in the km/l readout. This is for the FLX.


Added on October 20, 2012, 11:44 pm
QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 20 2012, 11:36 PM)
Last week, we're whole family in my GaGa BLM. As we reached Jln Kuala Kangsar showroom, the SA standing infront of the showroom start counting how many people step out of the vehicle. Therewas 6 of us getting out of the car, the SA was trololololed laugh.gif Why go Plotong showroom? Simply because the youngest in the family started to work, now thinking of buy a presentable daily use vehicle to go work, as well as hook up chicks icon_idea.gif So, their 1 and only consideration was DUGONG doh.gif In order to prove them there's other affordable & better featured as an option, I use my BLM to take whole family for 200km journey, was hoping to impress them. So happened I saw this showroom still have an FLX SE as testdrive car, so I decided to roll in to let the fire red FLX SE help me convince the "payer". Below was the restructured walkthrough of closing sales experience. Some are very useful, the rest rubbish. Read on your own discretion

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There will be 1001 reason for NOT buying a Plotong despite how hard I recommend it; however, if someone wanted a dugong, they can't find a reason for NOT buying a TOYOL doh.gif
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No offense to your family, if the person who pays wanna buy a dugong, then just let him buy a dugong lor. Else nanti here rosak there rosak they blame you for recommending rubbish car. If dugong rosak then it's god's will, coz it's god car, no one to blame but god.

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post Oct 20 2012, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(vantoria @ Oct 20 2012, 11:46 PM)
Yea the reason why they say keep it under 80KM/h it cause it'll spoil the engine? or there's no such thing. lol
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You ask them, I first gear or L gear go 80km/h also can hor?

Speed is not the issue, RPM is. Make sure you run the engine through it's whole RPM range until it's rev cut RPM, but run it gently. Don't run on a constant RPM for too long.

You can go as fast as you want with this technique, but be sure to familiarize yourself with the handling, brakes and steering feel before you go FnF down PLUS highway. Start slow so that if there are any defects on the car and something happens, you have time and space to recover.
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post Oct 20 2012, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(nickzkuso @ Oct 20 2012, 11:53 PM)
What does it mean that run until rev cut rpm? Kinda alien with those terms @@
Auto will chg it gear before run thru every rpm range.. Haha
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Means rev until your ECU won't let you rev any higher. For example, FLX rev cut in D and L is 5750 RPM, you can't rev any more than that unless you are going downhill very fast.

Your FL don't have 3-2-L meh? you can use them to rev higher.

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post Oct 21 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Oct 20 2012, 09:28 PM)
This is interesting. Let's say the average fuel flow is 30cc a minute. So 10 mins idling would consume 300cc = 300 ml. Idling for one hour = 1.8L consumed sweat.gif
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When not moving or moving very slowly, the Fofi shows instant FC in L/hour.

Morning coldstart, during warm up period, the figure is 2.0-2.4 L/hour, after warm up it's between 0.8-1.5 L/hour, depending on whether the aircon is running.

1.8 L/hour for S4PH is not inconceivable, considering the Gaga guzzles fuel quite a bit especially due to the oversize aircon compressor. But I think the actual figure should be lower than that.


Added on October 21, 2012, 12:11 am
QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 21 2012, 12:05 AM)
hmm... mine 7.2k rev cut off leh... and i heard there is way to cancel the cut off from somewhere... lols...
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You wan rev til 20k RPM ah?

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post Oct 21 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Oct 21 2012, 07:53 AM)
that is an honest compliment from me, i really do,never meant to be sacarsm.


Added on October 21, 2012, 8:18 am
if u want technical answer, yup like dares said earlier, email kristoff personally. For general answer from my friends, yup, tcu in cvt has adaptive function. Same as ecu. Thats while they call it tcu adaptation process.

By the way dares, iinm, ur fiesta use duratec engine, n it has siemens 16 bit ecu. Its good actually, but it has its own limitation in calibrations n functions compare to 32bit ecu n its cheaper than 32bit one. But 32bit is common nowadays, so, so 32bit ecu not that high tech as some may perceive. In order to cut a bit of cost, 16 bit ecu is much use by manufacturers today where not much functions of 32 bit are needed.The engine is using belt rite, same as rubbish car :-), or maybe im just wrong on the later part coz people just like to point out belt in campro is outdated compared to advance high tech chain in other makes.
As u know, campro iafm+ is not state of the art engine, so, by using 32 bit ecu did help much in total calibration to give better response n functions.

There are many reasons why prtn resort to cvt,punch cvt to be specific. One of its becoz its using clutch, means less power lost than torque converter cvt hence better pwr delivery, the weight,its light, and since preve using the same engine+tranny combo, using normal at such in persona elegance will cause catastrophy in term of fc n power,if fit in preve which much heavier than flx se. People may hate cvt character, engine sound drone, feel the speed raise slow, no feeling of urgency as normal at, but the longer u run with cvt, the better u understand it, its not really bad as what people perceive, n some may appreciate it more than other tranny. Sorry for merepek in the morning :-).
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I know very little about the Fofi now, learning little by little at the moment tongue.gif thanks for the info!

In terms of computing, 32bit architectures allow for higher floating point accuracy in calculations than 16bit, so the advantage is definitely there but I'm not sure how much. My Fofi ECU was able to use the OBD2 scanner and uses the same protocol as the FLX SE. Ayam glad if Fofi ECU is cheaper than FLX SE, but in reality it'll probably end up more expensive when AutoConnexion gets their hands on it. doh.gif

CVT is not bad at all, ppl just need to understand it.

Timing chain is ancient tech also, my dad's 30 yo mazda pickup truck already uses it. In all those years he owned it (sold it this year for RM2.2k laugh.gif ), the timing chain was only change ONCE thumbup.gif

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post Oct 21 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Oct 21 2012, 10:41 AM)
Everytime I floor the pedal, there is vibration sound comes from.somewhere, maybe from the exhaust or the engine bay. The vibration lasts for like 2 seconds.

Is this a chracteristic of CVT, when it is looking for the correct ratio?
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No vibration ah on my car hmm.gif


Added on October 21, 2012, 1:13 pm
QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 21 2012, 01:11 PM)
ada budak budak kat sini ke? lolz
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Takder budak.

Gorilla ade 2 ekor.


Added on October 21, 2012, 1:15 pm
QUOTE(Noobdao @ Oct 21 2012, 11:07 AM)
OBD 2 can use in FLX SE right?Then FLX can read or no???I just wondering why OBD2 cant read on FLX btw~~~
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Come yulek find me tonite, I test for yew.

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post Oct 21 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Oct 21 2012, 01:15 PM)
too lazy to do my works..
ended up rewatching a few favourite episodes of top gear..

found this to be highly relevant for dares  rclxms.gif  brows.gif

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Yep, this video helped seal the deal for me. Mainly because it showed that I can fit smoke grenades on the cupholder, very important in my line of work ph34r.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 21 2012, 01:38 PM)
hmm... sorry that i am noob here... does that mean that even i got the obd2 reader i also cant get the same reading like what the flx shows ? cause i see u said that the difference of the ecu which is load base and torque base... lols... cant really brain stuff now...
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The main problem is the protocol, IINM. Thats why the OBD2 scanner cannot read BLM mia ECU.
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 21 2012, 02:11 PM)
borrow me ur car. i want ry do that handbrake turn at Basement 3 at berjaya Times Square.

PLEASEEEEE

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post Oct 21 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Oct 21 2012, 02:25 PM)
Tonight?Where where???
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Yulek lor.
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Oct 21 2012, 02:42 PM)
dares..
y u no take the rubbish piktar of your rubbish gaga's rubbish t10 led switched on with your rubbish gaga headlights on?

me wanna see how the rubbish effect on my rubbish gaga as well sad.gif
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I took already, but it was daytime so can't see the T10 light. I'm waiting for chance to take another shot at nighte coz not alwaz convenient.
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 21 2012, 02:43 PM)
Just because there's no software to decode the BLM/FL ECU. To conclude, regardless load base or torque base, even if you have the OBD2 donggle + preinstalled software on your iFong, you're not getting any display on your fong because the data feed in from the donggle to your fong, your fong software unable to understand it. It's not that the reading same or not, it's can not understand. Software incompatible yo! icon_rolleyes.gif

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Sometimes the OBD2 scanner "dongle" also makes a difference. The first scanner mengsuan gave me would not work, only the second one will work. This is on the same software in the same Samsung phone.
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Oct 21 2012, 02:55 PM)
Dares, so tonight u all go where and test OBD2?
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Who is "u all"? unsure.gif

I live in yulek, so if you wanna test OBD2 you come yulek la, near only ma. But I am not selling mine la tongue.gif

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