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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V33, The People's Car

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calvin_kenni
post Oct 21 2012, 01:15 PM

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too lazy to do my works..
ended up rewatching a few favourite episodes of top gear..

found this to be highly relevant for dares rclxms.gif brows.gif

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TSdares
post Oct 21 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Oct 21 2012, 01:15 PM)
too lazy to do my works..
ended up rewatching a few favourite episodes of top gear..

found this to be highly relevant for dares  rclxms.gif  brows.gif

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Yep, this video helped seal the deal for me. Mainly because it showed that I can fit smoke grenades on the cupholder, very important in my line of work ph34r.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 21 2012, 01:25 PM)
Yep, this video helped seal the deal for me. Mainly because it showed that I can fit smoke grenades on the cupholder, very important in my line of work ph34r.gif
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also can fit 2 mags of ammo in the glove box.. and wade through that 1 meter depth of sea water.. XD
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post Oct 21 2012, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 21 2012, 09:39 AM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif  means 16 bit ecu is better than 32 bit ecu ?
oh btw... any idea if saga blm can use the obd2 reader ? really need that to monitor my car... sad.gif
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ha..ha..dont be confius,read carefully. Thanks yab david to clarify it in easy way to understand. Sorry for my bad on writing, not really good in explaining i think :-).
Ur blm using siemens 16 bit ems 700 which is load base, while siemens 16 bit ems2101 in fiesta is torque based if not mistaken. While flx conti/siemen 32bit easyu ecu torque based.

Prtn try to gauge how much performance of 32bit ecu by using same hardware differ in persona elegance(iafm 4 at combo,previous persona still the same combo but 16bit ecu). Yup, it has differences, but not much to be appreciated by users. But by changing hardware incomplement with new ems, it thus give diff outcome interm of drivebility(performance).

Try to compare with persona elegance and persona 4at, monitor how the gear change and power delivery. if not, blm 4at with flx 1.3 in sat mode. Any donor? :-).
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post Oct 21 2012, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Oct 21 2012, 01:34 PM)
ha..ha..dont be confius,read carefully. Thanks yab david to clarify it in easy way to understand. Sorry for my bad on writing, not really good in explaining i think :-).
Ur blm using siemens 16 bit ems 700 which is load base, while siemens 16 bit ems2101 in fiesta is torque based if not mistaken. While flx conti/siemen 32bit easyu ecu torque based.

Prtn try to gauge how much performance of 32bit ecu by using same hardware differ in persona elegance(iafm 4 at combo,previous persona still the same combo but 16bit ecu). Yup, it has differences, but not much to be appreciated by users. But by changing hardware incomplement with new ems, it thus give diff outcome interm of drivebility(performance).

Try to compare with persona elegance and persona  4at, monitor how the gear change and power delivery.  if not, blm 4at with flx 1.3 in sat mode.  Any donor? :-).
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hmm... sorry that i am noob here... does that mean that even i got the obd2 reader i also cant get the same reading like what the flx shows ? cause i see u said that the difference of the ecu which is load base and torque base... lols... cant really brain stuff now...
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 21 2012, 01:25 PM)
Yep, this video helped seal the deal for me. Mainly because it showed that I can fit smoke grenades on the cupholder, very important in my line of work ph34r.gif
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borrow me ur car. i want ry do that handbrake turn at Basement 3 at berjaya Times Square.

PLEASEEEEE


Added on October 21, 2012, 2:12 pmBTW, anyone know apa software good for video cutting? I wan cut video oni.

Nuub here icon_question.gif


Added on October 21, 2012, 2:15 pmNvmd... found one.....

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ooo since sifu mat79 is here, would it be a good idea to chuck in a supercharger or turbocharger into a BLM in order to achieve better low end torque like how Preve CFE has a turbo?

What are the pros and cons you foresee?

Which would be the preferred choice, supercharger or turbocharger?
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 21 2012, 01:38 PM)
hmm... sorry that i am noob here... does that mean that even i got the obd2 reader i also cant get the same reading like what the flx shows ? cause i see u said that the difference of the ecu which is load base and torque base... lols... cant really brain stuff now...
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The main problem is the protocol, IINM. Thats why the OBD2 scanner cannot read BLM mia ECU.
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 21 2012, 01:12 PM)
No vibration ah on my car  hmm.gif


Added on October 21, 2012, 1:13 pm

Takder budak.

Gorilla ade 2 ekor.


Added on October 21, 2012, 1:15 pm

Come yulek find me tonite, I test for yew.
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Tonight?Where where???
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 21 2012, 02:11 PM)
borrow me ur car. i want ry do that handbrake turn at Basement 3 at berjaya Times Square.

PLEASEEEEE

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post Oct 21 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 21 2012, 02:16 PM)
ooo since sifu mat79 is here, would it be a good idea to chuck in a supercharger or turbocharger into a BLM in order to achieve better low end torque like how Preve CFE has a turbo?

What are the pros and cons you foresee?

Which would be the preferred choice, supercharger or turbocharger?
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Bro, I know you can't get away from forced induction. Lai lai, let's continue our plan tongue.gif

I have the price range for supercharger and turbocharger.

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Oct 21 2012, 02:25 PM)
Tonight?Where where???
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Yulek lor.
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two mods on forced induction fetish

so lovely... wub.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 21 2012, 02:21 PM)
The main problem is the protocol, IINM. Thats why the OBD2 scanner cannot read BLM mia ECU.
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which is the pain in the ass for me... sad.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:42 PM

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dares..
y u no take the rubbish piktar of your rubbish gaga's rubbish t10 led switched on with your rubbish gaga headlights on?

me wanna see how the rubbish effect on my rubbish gaga as well sad.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 21 2012, 01:38 PM)
hmm... sorry that i am noob here... does that mean that even i got the obd2 reader i also cant get the same reading like what the flx shows ? cause i see u said that the difference of the ecu which is load base and torque base... lols... cant really brain stuff now...
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Just because there's no software to decode the BLM/FL ECU. To conclude, regardless load base or torque base, even if you have the OBD2 donggle + preinstalled software on your iFong, you're not getting any display on your fong because the data feed in from the donggle to your fong, your fong software unable to understand it. It's not that the reading same or not, it's can not understand. Software incompatible yo! icon_rolleyes.gif

FYI, I just had my ECU restored last week when I balik kampong whistling.gif For the benefit of all, our rubbish 16bit ECU do posses learning intelligent, and it's EPROM, so taking off the hard wire can not remove the memory sweat.gif To my surprised, my magician's machine managed to read 2 sets of BIOS inside the ECU. 1 set was running on current/presents, which will learn any rubbish the driver input. On the other side, the ECU stored a set of backup data. ECU are programmed to read the BIOS1 against the comparison BIOS2(backup system), to make sure data does not deviate too much. In case of faulty, BIOS2 will take place. In case of memory disruption on BIOS1, BIOS2 is a restoration base. On worst case scenario, such as system KO or any other damage that does not directly hurt the ECU, BIOS2 will be the fail over, engine check light will be remain "ON" until error rectified icon_idea.gif Our old SIEMEN 16bit ECU rocks! notworthy.gif

Whilst I was hand itching wanted to break in the BIOS2 to read data inside, the good old "CLICK YES" syndrome kicked in. I did not read what's the pop up on the screen, I clicked "PROCEED" instead of "BACK". So, I had my entire BIOS1 wiped out, restored with BIOS2 total factory settings doh.gif Just to reconfirm Mahihi, indeed when trying to break read/write data on BIOS2, it prompt INPUT PIN NUMBER doh.gif Magician say better don't try, scared later the ECU self destruct shakehead.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:47 PM

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Piggyback the ECU or change to standalone tongue.gif
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Oct 21 2012, 02:42 PM)
dares..
y u no take the rubbish piktar of your rubbish gaga's rubbish t10 led switched on with your rubbish gaga headlights on?

me wanna see how the rubbish effect on my rubbish gaga as well sad.gif
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I took already, but it was daytime so can't see the T10 light. I'm waiting for chance to take another shot at nighte coz not alwaz convenient.
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Oct 21 2012, 02:47 PM)
Piggyback the ECU or change to standalone tongue.gif
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If wanted to go to that extend, I think my traditional way much cheaper/convenient
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post Oct 21 2012, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 21 2012, 02:43 PM)
Just because there's no software to decode the BLM/FL ECU. To conclude, regardless load base or torque base, even if you have the OBD2 donggle + preinstalled software on your iFong, you're not getting any display on your fong because the data feed in from the donggle to your fong, your fong software unable to understand it. It's not that the reading same or not, it's can not understand. Software incompatible yo! icon_rolleyes.gif

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Sometimes the OBD2 scanner "dongle" also makes a difference. The first scanner mengsuan gave me would not work, only the second one will work. This is on the same software in the same Samsung phone.

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