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Deadlifting, Go heavy or go home?

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alien9	Oct 15 2012, 01:24 PM Return to original view \| Post #1
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	Heavy is relative and since you are still new in BB, maybe 50 kg is at your limit while that shredded guy deadlift far much more heavier than you. But the thing is, are you using max effort doing deadlift? Or the weight you're using is not your max (just like what Mikehuan said). Maybe that is what the shredded guy trying to tell you. Off course, he is at level knows that everyone has his limitation and asking a beginner to deadlift 200 kg is just plain stupid.
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alien9	Oct 22 2012, 07:35 PM Return to original view \| Post #2
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(wormyx @ Oct 22 2012, 04:14 PM) Deadlifting is the ancestor for all exercises!! HAIL DEADLIFT!!Anyway back to TS concerns, Heavy or HOME. I say HEAVY(any debates ?) ... But yes, when you go heavy there no-way you gonna focus on forms or momentum. But according to the sifu's here when you screw up the form you basically gonna screw up your back. I will say this statement is overrated. But when you go massive heavy 100kg-120kgx2/1RM you can't focus on form anymore. YOU CANT!! So TS it's good to go heavy but not a jump between 50kg to 100kg. Try with 3 plates(10kg) aside total 60kg for first week. Don't butt wink, straight back, drop weight to the ground for each reps. Build your repo with Mr Deadlift, climb up with 2.5kg/5kg each day/weekly. Remember, big muscle ain't always strong. *this is for TS who is dl 50kg(not bad at all), so i believe there is nothing wrong with his forms or posture. Oh yeah, last but no least..rerack the plates once your done. Going heavy is not an excuse for doing deadlift with poor form. If you are always training in your comfort zone where the form is perfect and the weight is not heavy, then it will be hard to maintain proper form while deadlifting heavy. (Heavy is subjective here. There is no exact value that one can consider heavy. Heavy for you doesn't mean heavy for me). If you are always practicing going heavy, you will go heavy with good form, just like what Mikehuan said.
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alien9	Oct 23 2012, 07:33 PM Return to original view \| Post #3
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	QUOTE(ascension @ Oct 23 2012, 04:39 PM) He'd have to squat really low, almost like squat level low, to stop his lower back from rounding if he uses 10kg plates. He just started lifting 2 weeks ago so taking it slow. or, you can just stack a few plates to increase the height of the barbell from the ground. Make it high just the same height if you are deadlifting a 45lbs plate each side. simple no?
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alien9	Oct 23 2012, 07:51 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	QUOTE(Seasick85 @ Oct 23 2012, 07:46 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Hi everybody, Just got back from the gym this evening..wanna try out another one rep max attempt for deadlift..result is pretty interesting.. Today sets are: Warm Up for One Rep Max: Barbell 10 reps 40kg 5 reps 60kg 5 reps 80kg 4 reps 1st attempt: 120kg (previous PR in the last 4 months) = Success 2nd attempt: 130kg (new PR) = Success (form still ok) 3rd attempt: 140kg (new PR) = Success (form is off a bit but manage to pull it off) So happy today didn't expect to pull 140kg off but i did it somehow..trying to improve the form in the future.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlTuq9dj3PQ&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCqi3BH6wcM&feature=plcp fixed it for you KlTuq9dj3PQ Btw, why do it on the rack? This post has been edited by alien9: Oct 23 2012, 07:52 PM
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alien9	Oct 25 2012, 01:04 AM Return to original view \| Post #5
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	Well, my current PR for squats is 236 lbs for 3 reps and deadlift is 264 for 2 reps. I hardly trained my deadlift and always be in caloric deficit.
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alien9	Dec 24 2012, 08:08 PM Return to original view \| Post #6
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Dec 24 2012, 08:07 PM) stretching before exercise can cause injury.. only do warm up first. start with llighter weight to warm up then go with workset weight. stretching is for increasing flexibility..do it only AFTER a workout/run when your muscle is already hot. Starting with lighter weight of the same exercises ie ligher weight for deadlift before hitting workout weight is called stretching albeit it is call dynamic stretching.
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alien9	Dec 24 2012, 11:01 PM Return to original view \| Post #7
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	QUOTE(VeeJay @ Dec 24 2012, 10:57 PM) both of you are correct as well. The correct physical exercise term is dynamic stretching (against static stretching which should be at the end of exercise). DS is also called warm-up. stretching alone is not a good warmup. My warmup routine itself would take about 30min! I dont mean to say everyone need to follow that, but its just for my body to get going and reduce old injuries. Do you include foam rolling in your warm up? Love to try it sometimes
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alien9	Dec 24 2012, 11:16 PM Return to original view \| Post #8
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	QUOTE(VeeJay @ Dec 24 2012, 11:10 PM) I use ab roller, but its not warmup, but instead my main exercise. My abs are all beaten up for ages, hence i still yet to find any motivating abs exercise. situp and crunch are norm to me, which I could go to 100 reps in a go. My personal best is 60 situp in 60 secs. That doesnt mean I have six packs! LOL But pretty solid core, if you were to punch me I think we are digression from main topic. Merry Christmas, and you are welcome to join my party with glenfiddich and Black Label now...hic hic. Yeah. Happy Holiday for you too.
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alien9	Dec 29 2012, 08:02 PM Return to original view \| Post #9
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	QUOTE(mikehuan @ Dec 29 2012, 07:31 PM) Lean muscle mass isnt a good scale for strength. I would like to see the pulls to but your premise to deduce his strength by his lbm is wrong. I would agree with mikehuan here. Lean body mass is not equal to strength, at least to a certain degree. Most people seems to think that big muscle = big poundage.
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alien9	Jan 2 2013, 10:52 AM Return to original view \| Post #10
These stars mean nothing Senior Member 3,030 posts Joined: Dec 2009 From: Jelatek / Wangsa Maju	QUOTE(ascension @ Jan 2 2013, 10:47 AM) Did you do any grip training? Need some advise on deadlifts as my overhand grip gives way when i do anything above 100kg, have to do mixed grip for work weight. Feels so weird though. You have to or you need to use straps to deadlift. Almost all raw deadlifter have huge forearm because they need the grip strength. Farmers walk, using fat-gripz or any grip exercises should help you deadlift better without using straps.
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