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ALeUNe
post Oct 7 2013, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Oct 7 2013, 11:20 AM)
Btw, dont u guys plan 2 sell off your gg gears? You got 6months time to RoS. As for loot 2.0 it might be 4-5months time. I believe more and more gears will be dumped into the market, so isnt it selling high end gears and go for mid tier gears is the best option now? Sell gg gears, go for mid tier gears that can mp10. Earn the usd, go for a vacation?
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For me, I'm not going to sell off gears.
Will sell off gears for upgrading purpose.

I think Blizz will not give easy loots in RoS at the beginning of the stage. This is to ensure longevity of the game.
If Loot 2.0 doesn't give good loots, we'll be stuck in low MP of RoS like Barb stuck @ Inferno when this game 1st introduced.

Blizz will certainly set a higher difficulty as there will be lv70 gears.
I believe our current MP10 gears will probably be the entry level gears that can only play "MP2-3" in RoS.
If I downgrade gears + the loot sucks ball (for the interest of longevity), I will be stuck for a long long time @ MP0 in RoS.
I expect higher quality loots at higher MP.
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post Oct 7 2013, 12:32 PM

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I'm looking forward to CM/Archon hybrid build in RoS. nod.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Oct 7 2013, 01:03 PM)
I respect ur decisions. One can nvr go wrong with high dps in RoS. With incoming nerfs on cm and archons, it might be safe to stay at high dps for easy facerolling. Mayb not for me, i'm pretty satisfied with my mp8 cm gears. Its a matter of how much cash u are willing to let go in 6months time.

Do let me know how the EB replaced by MI works on 3aps. If possible, try with 2.5aps, LS black main weap with 350k dps, should crit lik crazy.
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Tested with Chantodo's set with 18apoc during lunch break.
Damage is good.

I reckon better with LS black weapon as you gain insane life recovery from high damage.
Need to pair with Storm Crow, perhaps.
Will lose HP/EHP/IAS with Storm Crow.
Probably the best source is Triumvirate as black weapon is used.

Viable build. Will look into this. nod.gif

P/S Not quite doable @ Ghom MP10 for my build. Still need more testings
P/S Update # 2 . Doable @ Ghom with 3-piece apoc sources. Total 28 apoc. Still need more testings. Could be my noobie skills.
P/S Update # 3. Test runs @ A1 MP10. Using 2-piece and 3-piece apoc setup, 3 piece apoc is better. You'll have drop of IAS/EHP/paper dps but it can still kill pretty fast as there is huge damage from the meteor. I believe 2-piece is doable. Need more test runs & practices.
P/S Update # 4. Made 2 runs @ A1 MP10. MI > EB. thumbup.gif

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post Oct 7 2013, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Oct 7 2013, 05:28 PM)
I hate lying nor trolling, you can take my words =D
Man u only got 6k elite kills with ur wiz. Let me tell u what i know frm wiz. If u like man to man bosses(ghom etc), meteor-liquify is the best rune. Liquify gives 8s DoT if crits succesfully, giving more sustainability or procs such as ww. The liquify rune scales well at mp10 when mobs dont melt in 2-3s, especially elites that takes near 30s to kill. Im lazy to dig up the spreadsheets of the proc rates but i have a general idea of how the meteor runes work.

MI - burst dmg to literally melt everything in 1-2s (good for mp8 or when thrs a monk) 
Shower - Not a fan but ppl use this in pubs to troll, this might act as WD pestilence rune in crypts, crazy aoe to aggro everything. Has lowest proc rate.
Comet,Star pact - Sucks for me, might not be so for others.
Liquify - for sustained fights, mp10 when whites cnt die in 5 meteors. The theory is similar to ww, u want the 6s procs and ticks, not the falling dmg. With the 8s ticks, it can as well replace ww after u initiate the wicked winds. Not to mention with lower burst/falling dmg, RD isnt as scary as it is meant to be. It is proven to be the most dps output in sustained fights. But in short fights, MI>Liquify hands down.

If you run 3apoc sources, you can as well ditch ww. Go liquify,wormhole,deep freeze, shards, EB, shockasp. It works as well, jz not good in low mob density area and u have to meteor a door to pass through sometimes.
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Tested meteor/Liquefy. Nice skill.
It can replace WW in normal farming. Good and viable skill.
For normal farming, meteor/Liquefy is good enough.

But it is no good @ MP10 Ghom test. Still can't replace WW.
I tried replace WW with Liquefy, arcane generation was too slow for my build, even tried it with 3 apoc gears.
HP drained fast too. (with 2.86 attack speed, 850+ LOH & 1.5% LS)

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post Oct 7 2013, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(VT-Ten @ Oct 7 2013, 05:55 PM)
hey guys....
my first time visiting the wiz thread and i would like to share something on the CM Wiz...
not sure if this has been shared by someone here before, but i learnt it from a player online.

for CM Wiz, do you spam your keyboard as you are a professional pianist? someone taught me a way to rearrange the skills so that the 3 fingers can rest while holding onto the keyboard and spam only the mouse. this is soo much less tiring.

Key arrangement; If you are using 1234 on your keyboard, then the arrangement would be as below. arrange the same sequence if you are using asdf;
1 - Armor (storm or archon armor)
2 - explosive blast
3 - diamond skin
4 - frost nova
L mouse - energy twister
R mouse - wild card (either Slow time, teleport, meteor, etc)

this is how is works.....
1st, charge up your armor. then when engaging enemy, press and hold key 234 and spam the L click AS FAST AS YOU CAN.
thats all.
and if you find your right index finger getting tired from spamming L click, then press and hold key 23 and L click (hold), and spam key 4.

I find it impressively effective to freeze using the method above. so good, that i can afford to letgo Evocation passive with just 20 APOC.

give it a try guys smile.gif
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I spam 123 key with 18apoc instead. laugh.gif

Play Archon and have my lazy mode on. tongue.gif

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post Oct 25 2013, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Oct 24 2013, 01:19 PM)
The current datamine looks quite nice for CM build with the buffed damage of wicked wind and chain reaction.

Although perma archon mode is gone, I foresee alot of hybrid CM/Archon when ROS comes out.
What do you guys think?
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I think that depends on whether Blizz is going to nerf passive/crit mass or not.
If Blizz nerf crit mass, both archon and CM, or CM/archon hybrid, will be gone.

I think I'll take datamine with a pinch of salt.
They look too good to be true.
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post Oct 25 2013, 03:29 PM

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Assuming there is a nerf on crit mass.
I'm looking forward to Disintegrate/Archon hybrid build.
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post Nov 12 2013, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Nov 10 2013, 10:40 PM)
Too much work for CM. Just melt everything away while it lasts... goodbye perma CM when Patch or ROS comes
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I concurred. Too much work for CM and many other builds.

Archon is the best lazy-mode farming machine. RF build DH is equally good.
I'm now doing lazy mode farming for XP and doing less-spamming of keyboards. laugh.gif

Grabbed this today with buy-out price 11m. Good price and great gear.
Tested this in Archon mode and elites just melted easily. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 26 2013, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Nov 25 2013, 07:20 PM)
Critical Mass Wizard in actionnnnnn

no not really..

But similar


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That weapon kicks ass, remove cooldown of explosive blast is just priceless.
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post Nov 26 2013, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(chitchat @ Nov 26 2013, 12:03 PM)
bro u got kena kick out of game just now ? mine still cant login lol, server down ?
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No, I was still in the game and finished the Lost Mines.

It could be your internet connection. Try reset router.
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post Nov 27 2013, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(olman @ Nov 27 2013, 06:51 PM)
kena nerf already mang.

dammmmmmmmmmmmm
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You mean the weapon or the skill?
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post Nov 27 2013, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(olman @ Nov 27 2013, 08:27 PM)
from ros thread cry.gif

Wizard

    Active Skills
        Shock Pulse
            Skill Rune - Living Lightning
                Proc coefficient has been lowered from 0.2 to 0.042.

    Passive Skills
        Dominance
            Duration increase amount reduced from 1 second to 0.5 seconds per stack.
            Shield amount reduced from 27,323 to 16,394 (at level 70).
        Paralysis
            Stun chance reduced from 20% to 15%.
                Bug: Fixed an issue where Electrocute was generating too many procs from Paralysis.
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Well, that sucks balls.
Blizz nerfed it even before the launch of the game.
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post Dec 10 2013, 09:46 PM

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The introduction of new skills for Wiz.


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post Dec 26 2013, 04:47 AM

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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ Dec 25 2013, 08:00 PM)
need help with my noob Archon Wiz.. suggestions please.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Electro...9/hero/28134506

macam tak cukup makan only.. any suggestions on skill use will be welcomed as well. I'm not sure what I'm really doing at the moment. kekeke
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It is very simple. You need to keep your Archon permanently, just like WoTB Barb.

IMO, it is a lot easier to keep the perma Archon than perma WoTB.
This is because it depends on how many & how fast you kill the the mobs.
For "every enemy killed adds 1 seconds to the duration of Archon".
Therefore it's something you can control (as compared to Barb's WoTB that relies on the frequency of crits).

Now, in order to kill fast, you need to have certain level of DPS.
To do MP10, you need at least 450K DPS (fully buffed). 500K gives you an easy life aka lazy mode.
So, try increase your DPS for now.

http://d3up.com/b/1270673
Drop passive skill/cold blooded. As you don't use cold skill in archon mode.
I'd suggest to use blur. It gives you more defense, that could save you from explosion of fatso or elites.
Alternatively, you can use Galvanizing Ward to have a longer duration of your armor spell.
For your current state, you are lacking of DPS and EHP (prioritize your DPS).

Please see my reply to dreaming, I'll share more on the game play of archon.
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post Dec 26 2013, 04:48 AM

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QUOTE(dreaming @ Dec 26 2013, 12:05 AM)
same here, my newly created archon wizz:
http://d3up.com/b/1268391

can do MP8, but sadly can't handle MP10 elites especially those e that is having hard cc like nightmare, frozen, vortex etc sad.gif

basically i just inherited the entire WD gears except the tal helm and triumvirate, also replicated the exact skills using by aleune  because i have 0 knowledge on wizzy laugh.gif
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Archon build is a lazy-man build. You don't need much knowledge about archon. laugh.gif

For your case, you've got decent EHP. What's lacking is only the DPS. Try to increase your DPS.
Kill the mobs fast give you perma archon. Kill the elites fast indirectly give you survivability.

However, it is absolutely doable @ MP10. But you need to do it in co-op game.
2 ways of doing it.
Firstly, join the multiplayer game with players that can give you DPS buff (i.e. MoC Monk, CM Wiz etc).
Secondly, join the multiplayer game with high DPS players. As long as your other team members can help to kill the mobs fast, you get your additional duration to your archon.

About handling the elites, frozen-skilled elites are certainly the No.1 enemy for archon. You need to skip the ice bombs, there's no other way. This is why some people suggest teleport archon.
I believe damage reflection elites could be the No.2 enemy for you. It's either you increase your defensive attributes (minimum unbuffed 3200Armor / unbuffed 850AR / 2.9% LS) or use magic weapon/blood magic (at least 4% LS).
For vortex, if the elite draws you to the middle of 4-stack fire + poison + in the eye of laser + elite's explosion, it's all fate and it's not a shame to die in such circumstance. laugh.gif Just a note, passive skill/blur could save from elite's explosion. It comes in handy.
For nightmare, it's not much an issue generally. For fire/poison/lightning/mortar, you need to position yourself.

IMO, defensive attribute (armor/AR) is important in high MP.
Let me give you a scenario, if you have high defensive attributes, you can just stand in the 4-stack fire + poison like rambo.
Well, if you don't have high defensive attributes, you just need to reposition yourself from deadly elemental attacks.

In short, Deckard Cain and dreaming, you need to increase DPS.
Once you hit the right DPS, farming will be very easy.

Good luck and happy archon-ing.
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post Dec 26 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(dreaming @ Dec 26 2013, 10:12 AM)
yo bro.. thank you so much, this is very informative. smile.gif

after tested on 3 games FOM solo MP10, i noticed that:
1. i need to activate both magic weapon for damage buff & energy armor for defensive stats before transform into archon;
2. if archon mode is over and the spell is not ready, keep spamming Shock Pulse + Frost Nova to reduce archon's cold down;
3. again, refresh magic weapon & energy armor before transform into archon;
4. if the 2 minutes energy armor is over, better to end archon mode as well?
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1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) For normal circumstances, yes. For my build, I can still do without armor spell. I'll refresh before magic weapon expires.
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post Jan 12 2014, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Jan 12 2014, 02:06 PM)
haha thanks bro! Appreciate the tips. before my baby boy came, I already kena those "AFK" moments while gaming. Sometimes wifey will merajuk and I have to afk kau kau lol.

I was helping my friend to power level a couple of times and my wizard would just stand there HAHAHA
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Congrats!!

I always AFK. I understand. laugh.gif
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post Mar 3 2014, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Zelda85 @ Mar 3 2014, 12:46 PM)
hope to get leg wand >.<
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Better don't get it now.
I mean it's better to get a LVL70 leg than LVL60 leg.
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post Mar 3 2014, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(fungling2002 @ Mar 3 2014, 02:57 PM)
HOW to get the lvl 70 leg ?  wub.gif
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22 days to go.
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post Mar 3 2014, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Mar 3 2014, 04:25 PM)
hahahaha.....no much ppl know tat day wht going on....
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Yeap, that's the day new builds begin.
Without the LS gears, we might need to reduce 1 or 2 notch of Torment level.

Current lvl60 legs will be obsolete again.

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