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post Oct 12 2012, 09:06 AM

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Briefly went thru this thread, has anyone thought that GM is at the verge of collapse, then someone decided to let BNM take over the mess when they run away?

Just another conspiracy theory... After all we don't need people like Pat Lu telling us how confident she is to GM and the directors and how bad she need the money to put food on table, and all the sad stories and tears and mug shot of kids and disabled holding GM love letter.

We just frigging want to know some facts directly from the mouth of any directors.

Someone might just bought an European island and enjoying sunshine beach there.
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post Oct 12 2012, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(tandukperak @ Oct 12 2012, 09:24 AM)
On top of that, i am also trying to find out exactly at which point that the customers get hooked/CON-ed. Really, i cant get it.

  The hibah doesnt make sense
  the premium price doesnt make sense
  that GM keep the gold doesnt make sense
 
what the heck caught the customer's sense????  rclxub.gif
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When you are alone and surrounded by 100 people that continuously telling you that earth is gonna end soon, showing picture of many country leaders talking about environmental issue, show earth quake tornado lightning photo, for 5 hours none stop, and I mean none stop no toilet no drinking no food not even allowed to look at your watch no nothing, the changes are quite high for you to believe that earth is gonna end soon and you gonna hand in your credit cards or ATM password in order to survive and help as many people as possible.

QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Oct 12 2012, 10:56 AM)
I have the feeling that the actual culprit of all these raid is well plan by the GENNEVA directors them-self.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 12 2012, 11:21 AM)
The first part already amuse me with all of their comments!  rclxub.gif

YOUTUBE
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Duh!

For example,

Your dad do bookie business for many years, you enjoying a good life and going to college, put delicious food on table and help paying daily expenses, suddenly your dad got arrested, so are you gonna tell people how much your dad's business helped you? Will that help clearing your dad's name?

And then you say your dad do not cheat people, always hands out money on time if anyone won jackpot, that not the point right?

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post Oct 12 2012, 02:28 PM

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The truth is when you see PM photo, the only truth is that's PM or someone look like PM is standing there, and nothing else.

It could be he just pass by only.

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post Oct 12 2012, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Dan01 @ Oct 12 2012, 04:01 PM)
Hi, me GM customer, please lend me your ears.

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Love the story biggrin.gif almost make me cry brows.gif

QUOTE(Selectt @ Oct 12 2012, 04:23 PM)
you mean BNM will not return the gold to victims? probably there arent any gold for late buyers... because the account is not tally.  doh.gif
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Even if return, first gold not tally, 2nd each people should get back how much? 3rd how to prove that who owns how much gold can GM cert trusted when GM is busted?
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post Oct 14 2012, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Oct 14 2012, 04:01 PM)
Trollish quotes or is it just me, even kids and fbing about GM:

Boon Leng Lee: Saya seorang budak berumur tiga belas tahun,disebatkan saya ada 100g yang mak saya berjimat untuk saya hingga sekarang,tapi mak saya cakap emas saya sudah diambil oleh bank negara,banyak kawan saya tanya mengapa bank negara boleh rompak orang punya emas?mengapa polis tak ada tangkap bank negara?
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post Oct 14 2012, 10:01 PM

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LOL, till now BN and PR both avoiding this topic. GM supporters are pretty much on their own now. Nope, I don't think they can even relate themselves to "rakyat", seriously, it has nothing to do with most of the population.

Even thou the authority has put full page ads no newspaper for quite a while to warn people about malicious investment scheme especially those related to gold, but GM ingeniously trained their consultants that it is not even investment, so every members happily think that there is not just free lunch in this world, but free lunch that pay you money to eat.

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QUOTE(terry8 @ Oct 15 2012, 08:06 AM)
Could it be possible most of them have no gold with them but the CONsultants don't want to tell anyone about this.
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From the bfm interview my impression on them is that they are just a bunch of overly self confident people who do not know anything other than the things that company wants them to know, they are nothing but just part of the victims list. The company only make use of their superior marketing to lure in more preys.

It is tragic that some actually thrown in EVERYTHING they have got and ended up to where they are now, it is extremely despicable that GM actually give brainwash them with negative impression on ALL other investment or saving facilities. If only they have some financial common sense...

Now they got robbed, and they have convinced in robbing their own families and friends. Not just that, they thought they are making cash and feel good about it.

Furthermore, now GM got raided and the supporters are still all over front page pledging their 100% support.

It is a PERFECT plan. Unfortunately the plan do not have good intention.

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post Oct 15 2012, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 15 2012, 09:35 AM)
After reading for past few days, these is what I think:-
a) CONsultant and gold buyer is not that stupid. I think they are just plain greedy
b) those sob story (not including trolling story by /k/) in Genneva Support facebook page is fake.
c) CONsultant and gold buyer is not poor. They are rich.
d) Even if CONsultant and gold buyer didn't get back their money, they have no problem surviving.
e) They cried in Facebook because they can't believe that they are so stupid. They are still in denial.
f) They know the risk because many people told them its impossible to earn that much. Even newspaper
and BNM already blacklist Genneva few months ago. So this CONsultant and gold buyer just push their luck.

Conclusion:-
I hope CONsultant and gold buyer won't get anything back from Genneva/BNM so that this will give lesson to
everyone out there not to be greedy.

I sincerely hope the downfall of all Ponzi, Pyramid, MLM and other similar scheme. Amen!
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Fake or not they are just trying to lure some sympathy and win more support. But in the end it is not who has the saddest story wins, but there is something called justice, if its wrong, its frigging wrong and you gotta pay for it.

Broken childhood and family, but the cruel mother who tortured and beaten her own 2yo baby to the edge of death still get 99 years of sentence.

They crying foul on fb for bnm eat their gold, not crying that they are wrong please help us to recover our investment. I still doubt that they have learn anything yet.

Amen for all Ponzi, Pyramid, MLM and those "we are not ponzi, pyramid or MLM" to fall!
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omg, 112 new posts since my last.

The so called message from Management explain nothing but blame bnm for freezing everything, blame the press for creating confusion, and finally blame their precious consultants by indirectly say they offer no buy back guarantee. Despite all that, they offer ZERO explanation of how they have been able to pay handsome hibah or buy back at a premium.

Did GM supporters motivated and received 110% boost on moral after reading the message? For me or any passing by, it is as good as making NO statement. There is not even a signature or name. WTF is mean by "The Management".

Message from GM

QUOTE(Dan01 @ Oct 15 2012, 04:43 PM)
yeah. but it is what can BNM prove in court. BNM can shut down the company based on unsustainable basis, i.e ponzi based. But to get criminal charges, or cheating charges is not so simple, especially in black and white they have covered themselves well.
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Unfortunately it is the CONsultants who seem to be the only responsible here. Company used them to wipe all the shit and got away clean.

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post Oct 16 2012, 10:49 AM

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Investors’(who pretend not doing investment) fear(of getting their BMW towed), worry and grief
October 16, 2012

FMT LETTER: From Someone Lim, via new iPad

I value Bank Negara’s good intentions to protect the welfare of thousands of investor. Having to fight inflation as a retiree, I trust that Bank Negara would help us in these trying times.

Even thou most of us have no idea where did this Hibah came from and we pretend its a trade secret and pretend don't know that its from our own money, about 6,000 of us consultants have made many people believe that they have improved their lives as the returns in the form of Hibah has brought sunshine into their daily lives.

We appeal to Bank Negara to allow us to operate while the investigation is ongoing. This is to pave the way for us to be able to support our our families with our monthly Hibah and commissions, which we were supposed to collect on the first week of October. There will be no mass buy-back request as it is stated in black and white no guarantee about it and the company can change policy whenever they feel like it anyway.

We also would like to appeal to Bank Negara to be compassionate by releasing the cheques and gold seized so that we can deliver them to the rightful owners, they have already been victimized in the first place already, it is not good to victimize them twice. In addition, those cheques already collected by customers before the raid to be honoured by the bank.

We are all living in fear, worry and grief. Fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, grandmothers, grandfathers, uncle, aunties, in laws, friends of friends and etc etc of whole family of 1Malaysia are in sorrow. There is so much tears and suffering because we keep receiving calls from our love ones, uncles, aunties, sam gu look po, etc asking whaaaaaaaaat did we do with their life savings becafeful about karma if you have cheated us.

The most important issue here is not the handsome commission I can get by selling gold, my primary concern is for those who need the income i.e. the Hibah and commission for their daily expenses, especially the sick and the aged. Some had to resort to borrowing money from friends to pay for medical bills. Anyway this is their own money, hence they deserved every penny of it.

Several have also been also unable to pay their bungalow housing, german cars, UK education loans, etc.  driving them to contemplate suicide.

The writer is a troller of LYN Genneva thread.


Can't help but to troll, seriously, sick of people saying they deserved whatever, how bad their lively hood is, despite sitting on a pile of GOLD.

Consultants of GM, can't you hear that, whatever you claimed is not in black and white, so it is solely your own fault, and since your management said that its NOT black and white so even if bnm allow business as usual they can also stop all hibah and buy back because its their right.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Oct 16 2012, 12:22 PM)
At this point I think it is unlikely that the gold is fake. After so much time and with so many people having bought the gold, if there are any fakes, we should know by now. The real scam is in not delivering gold when cash is paid and in promising hibah and buyback in a nudge-nudge wink-wink way that they cannot possibly sustain. There is no need to deliver fake gold on top of that. In fact, it would be very stupid of them to do so because this is one sure thing that the authorities can nail the company owners for.
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From my point of view, real gold or not is not the point, GM unlikely to take the hassle to replace part of the precious metal if the business model is already damn profitable with 999 gold. Mark up is mark up, margin is there regardless it is gold or nasi lemak.

As many has imply, gold is just a distraction from the Ponzi scheme.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 16 2012, 01:21 PM)
TGG if operate like Genneva, I'm sure any investor will pull out their money now. If you're
TGG investor, will you pull out the money now? I'm sure I will.  sweat.gif
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They will have a new song titled "we are not like genneva" and the members will sing in full confident.
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QUOTE(scorpio55 @ Oct 16 2012, 01:28 PM)
May we ask how we can profit 20% when buying gold?
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How about buy from your members that worshiped you as if you are God?
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QUOTE(Stimx @ Oct 17 2012, 02:24 PM)
You have got a very valid point there. The company is discharging themselves in wrong doing.

But somehow the company needs to explain in paying the 2% hibah to their buyer.

Consultants... god luck...
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Maybe can say like Jusco sales or credit card rebate or bonuslink reward. We have 100000001 ways to explain it with a convenience loop hole. Hibah or not we are just playing around with words, not gold trading.

Now which law governs the part which involved cheating consumers or buyers.
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Oct 18 2012, 11:21 AM)
From the "Famous" Pat Lu. Aug 9 2012 @ LYN
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This Pat Lu should really find some legit business(like whatever other legal MLM business) to do, her marketing skill is superb, I think she sell detergent also can drive bmw, unfortunately she chose the wrong train. Hopefully she will realized that this bullet train left the station at bullet speed leaving her and everyone behind on the platform.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 18 2012, 01:19 PM)
She own a training company. So you're right. Her marketing is probably very good. And very confidence.  flex.gif
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oic, a training company.

Perfect place to create that atmosphere where people would feel so comfortable and stop thinking and would do/believe whatever told.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 18 2012, 01:57 PM)
This just in on their FB supporters page:

Genneva have to explain to BNM our biz module, Biz plan, Future biz plan, organization chart, Customers list, consultant list, whose our gold suppliers soon on 18th Oct 2.30pm. All Directors are to be present for this explanation.

Say what? hmm.gif
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Just wait a few more hours and:
- got news is good news for them
- no news is bad news for them(since they won't post bad news)
provided "all directors" presented la.

Seem like the schedule is so sudden, its 30 mins later. Or the members/consultants are not in the loop.

I don't think every buyers are that confident to the management board who never ever show up since the incidence. The GM supporter page is created to control fear and fire: delete negative comments, post positive/tragic/dramatic comments, and pray to every possible Gods.

It works so far, otherwise we would see angry mobs surrounded GM HQ and wreck the place.

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It has been brought to our attention that some competitors, mutual fund, insurance, etc, companies / agents have been sending out highly organised POISON PEN emails/ letters and blogs about Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd.

As such we have set up a email address specifically to collate these emails to be forwarded to the management for further action at an appropriate time. That email address is

genneva.defamation@gmail.com

If you or any of the Genneva Family receive such emails please forward the emails WITHOUT DELETING the senders information. This is to establish an evidence trail and to enable the originators to be traced and charged in court if management deems necessary.

Please also email links to any websites/ blogs which are writing similarly defamatory articles to the same address.

Kful ah, they send you lawyerr letter baru kau tau.

GM's chosen group of supporter is untouchable.

Anyone try to send the link of this thread to the mentioned gmail?
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Oct 18 2012, 05:00 PM)
What if Somebody go their FB and tell them,

"Lastest Confirmation from BNM Meeting with Gennva MGMT "
Gold will be unfreeze within 24 hours!

Will those 10k+ active member on ther FB support page worship the guy like Savior??
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60k active members will flood the branches.

And guess they come to buy more gold or some other business?

And and guess those branches will open or remain closed?

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aiya, even you lose 100% gold, you also earn ??% hibah. Earliest investors got profit already, so if you cry or bring little kids or bring your wheelchair go to newspaper, you are basically making the person below like joke.

Just that for new investors who paid and yet to receive gold and hibah, sorry. I think you didn't quit your job yet, or just quit recently, so got change.

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