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ALeUNe
post Nov 17 2012, 04:28 AM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 17 2012, 04:07 AM)
Aleune..no main stats at all...just pure Loh +LS + Socket...if it had vit...= profit!!!!!!!!!
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Added on November 17, 2012, 4:32 am
QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 17 2012, 04:26 AM)
Currently, i have ZERO LOH ZERO LS. =D
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Shadow power works like LS.

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post Nov 17 2012, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 17 2012, 04:32 AM)
The thing is a LS manticore is CRAZILY EXPENSIVE AND LOW ON THE DPS scale (1k region). I know that the LOH just doesn't cut it for a DH.

You said getting more DPS, well the Unity gives me the most DPS boost cuz the litany is a defensive ring. and u just said not to bother with LOH. So this is exactly what i'm confuse with.

I have 400ish AR and hoping to get into the 450 region. Can't get an answer there cuz no one seems to be bothered about LOH and to some extent LS.

I have 2.08 APS so i don't hit that slow. The way we DH recover life is pop Gloom and use Cluster Arrow.

So this all comes back to square one again. LOH is useless for DH so the Unity kinda isn't that attractive but gives more DPS than litany. but litany gives AR. You get me?

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Added on November 17, 2012, 4:33 am

yeah i know which is why i'm having a hard time deciding which ring.
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So, you need more DPS or AR?
ALeUNe
post Nov 17 2012, 04:40 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 17 2012, 04:36 AM)
Haha. if is you which one will you pick. I think you'll say BOTH.
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AR is more of defence for survival.
Do you have problem to survive in game?
If you don't encounter any issue, your build is just good enough.
In that case, I'd pick DPS.

If you can't really survive in games, choosing AR could be the right move.

So, you need to know what you need.

Of course, if there is a ring that offers both DPS and AR (that you need), why not? laugh.gif


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post Nov 20 2012, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Nov 20 2012, 09:27 AM)
can anyone clarify if there's something wrong with the reflect damage? sometimes a few hits on the minion and im dead

however sometimes minimal damage received from reflect. i just dont get it.
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Gear up to have sufficient LOH/LS.
Damage reflection is not an issue.
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post Nov 23 2012, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 20 2012, 01:54 PM)
Well..I also notice some issues with minions RD. I am pretty well geared in life sustaiin, 1280 LoH, 2.9LS and 520 Regen. 600 AR and 5.5k Armor..and yes I die easily to RD minions. Only happened after the hotfix was rolled. Weird but true..
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For me, if you are killed easily by RD minions, it is an indicator that you need to increase LOH/LS/AR/Armor.
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post Nov 23 2012, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 23 2012, 04:46 PM)
I dun understand, what so special about SoJ? I just can't persuade myself to ditch either of my ring for one of that.

Try me.
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SoJ can give you up to 30% damage bonus on elites.
Simple calculation, if you have 100K DPS, you can dish out 130K DPS on elites.

So, it depends how good your ring is.
If your ring gives you 8-10K additional DPS, SoJ is a better ring.
If your ring gives you 30-40K additional DPS, your ring is better than SoJ.
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post Nov 23 2012, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 23 2012, 05:07 PM)
Well, for the SoJ case, I have stacked too much other stats in the 2 rings, getting rid of one is a pain decision to make. Until I farmed one, maybe I'll just take a note of it on paper tongue.gif
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The more DPS you have, the more you gain from SoJ.

Assuming you have a 30% damage bonus from SoJ, if you have 100K DPS, you get 130K DPS. Additional 30K damage.

For DH, it is very normal to dish out 400K damage. Additional 30% would give you 520K DPS.
It is a lot of damage. My DH uses SoJ without a second thought. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Nov 23 2012, 05:25 PM)
...and also, enjoy a further 5-6% elemental damage plus up to 12% of your char choice active skill.
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Indeed.
Plus, additional discipline points.
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post Nov 23 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 05:29 PM)
That's not true man. You can't count it in such manner.

I got greedy and drop my bloody footprints for legacy zuni boots for the AS.

So i'm being forced to use reflection with AR on it to balance things up. My other ring is wailing host (4percent against elites and butt loads of DPS here)

With Wailing + Reflection, i get 196k unbuffed and 205k against elites.

With SoJ + Reflection, i get 165k unbuffed and 211k against elites.

i don't think the 6k extra is a big deal.

But yeah, if u consider Bola on elites, you gain like close to 40k extra on elites.
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Well, may be it doesn't work on your build. I don't know.

For my build, without SOJ, my damage on the screen on elites is ranging from 280-650K (bola/imminent).
With SOJ, my damage on the screen is 360-900K.

P/S I have 29% damage bonus on elites + 25% bola damage bonus
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post Nov 23 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 05:49 PM)
Mine has 29% to elites + 12% to bola.

i wanted to run your char thru my DPS spreadsheet but then i got lazy. So instead i tried testing your build in game. I have no idea how you get 360k - 900k with imminent doom. I think your bola just out DPS my CA:LfB.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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This i'm not sure. Your build is 10x better than mine.
I'll go make a video or get some screen shots tonight.
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post Nov 23 2012, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 05:55 PM)
Oh please =)

I remember the last screen shot you made, got me hook to bola. Never look back since. Maybe your SoJ screen shot might make me dump my ring.
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Not me that made the screen shot, it was wakkay.
I think he shared the damage gain from SoJ. You need to search from the old posts of his.
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post Nov 29 2012, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 29 2012, 09:57 AM)
Advise needed: is it wise to reduce 5k dps (from 70k to 65k) but raise EHP from 370k to 430k?
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I'd say no.
For your case, you haven't reached the bottleneck yet.
You don't actually need to sacrifice DPS for EHP at this stage.

There is still great room for improvement in terms of DPS and EHP.
Meaning you can easily get gears to increase your DPS & EHP.
So, i'd suggest get better gears.

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post Dec 4 2012, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Dec 4 2012, 10:42 AM)
ytd i did one of the fastest mp8 run.
with yuhhaur, thales, and bringitawn.

the wiz timed our run. sb+kulle was down in 2min. the rest im not sure.
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Wow... that was indeed a speedy run.
The perma freeze Wiz is really good at SB/Kulle fight.
The damn Kulle is always pain in the arse.
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post Dec 4 2012, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Dec 4 2012, 10:52 AM)
yea, sry bout ytd tho.. really wanted to do uber with you
will join you one of these days =)
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No worries, we can play any time.
I went walk walk somewhere else. laugh.gif
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post Dec 4 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Bringitawn @ Dec 4 2012, 10:56 AM)
Haven't party you for a long long time....smile.gif
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Yes, we can go walk walk... monk party with moba. laugh.gif
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post Dec 4 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 4 2012, 11:09 AM)
My baby monk protests and not satisfied ...why yuhhaur, cowithegun, yourself and myself can't even defeat zk+sb in mp7?!, hehehe.
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Impossibru!!
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post Dec 4 2012, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 4 2012, 12:29 PM)
I will be trying the build as follows (for mp9 games tonight);-

Active Skill
Fist of Thunder -Thunderclap
Crippling Wave -Concussion (feels quite weak when confronting OP elites w/o it)
Serenity -Ascension
Mantra of Retribution -Indignation or other rune (using Mantra of Conviction -Overawe currently)
Breath of Heaven -Blazing Wrath (did a better job than Blinding Flash -FitL)
Sweeping Wind -Cyclone

Passive Skill
Combination Strike
One with Everything (using Beacon of Ytar currently)
Seize the Initiative
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For me, Mantra plays an important role in terms of survivability in MP9/10.
Test different mantra and find out which gives you better survivability.
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post Dec 5 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Dec 5 2012, 02:32 PM)
stumbled across some old sites..

damn dont you just love monks lol
DH so damn yeng

Monks
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Most of the heroes use Vile Ward now.
Where are the big horns? tongue.gif
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post Dec 5 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Dec 5 2012, 02:44 PM)
she's not wearing vile ward.. so the monks are playing it wrong.. laugh.gif
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And the worst part is, the Witch Doctor was totally forgotten... laugh.gif
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post Dec 6 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(LifeX @ Dec 6 2012, 11:25 AM)
People still playing Diablo? Haha, i quit like two months and sold all my monk items already.

Any good thing or news so far?
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Time to do your unfinished project, a Barb. laugh.gif

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