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ALeUNe
post Nov 12 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(d3dragonslayer @ Nov 12 2012, 03:03 PM)
hi.. may i know any way can achieve that?

LS only available on weapons right? so assume 2 weapons with total 5% LS

so LoH will be on amulet + 2 rings? 800 + 600 + 600?
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Weapons can have both LS & LOH, coexist.
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post Nov 12 2012, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(d3dragonslayer @ Nov 12 2012, 03:25 PM)
will that be pretty pricey for a weapon with LoH + LS? (and also crit dmg? either socketed or fixed affix)
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It depends on what kind of DPS you want to achieve.

If you wanna build a 60K DPS monk, it's very cheap for LOH+LS gears.
If you wanna build a 70-90K DPS monk, the high damage weapon with LOH+LS will cost you a lot of gold.
If you wanna build a 100K DPS monk, it is difficult because it very rare to have high damage weapon with LOH+LS. And those weapons could cost you few hundred millions gold.

(note: LOH weapons that i mentioned above are those with at least 850 LOH).
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post Nov 12 2012, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 12 2012, 03:30 PM)
Yes it will..but IMHO..just skip LoH on weapons as you can get it from jewelries or lagendaries armor. Focus on LS as that is the only stats we (apart from Barb) gets from weapon only.

Loh is great if you are mid tiered. Once you reach end game...LS will out point LoH. As yauhar mentioned max LoH is 3k plus..whereas LS there is NO ceiling. The more DPS you dish, the more life you gain. And for a 100k Monk crtting at 200-300k crits/ 500k -800k from 7SS, LS is a much better for regaining life.
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I have a 93K DPS monk (crit 200K is normal).
I tested weapons with 5.6% LS (just LS from 2 weapons, no LOH from other gears). I died a lot @ MP9 in co-op game.
Tried different mantras too (MoC/MoH/MoE). Didn't work well.

For my case, LS is not quite enough to deliver the life recovery I need.

(Note: I swapped back LOH gears, 2.7K LOH in total, and I got back the "better survival" in MP9. But I lost DPS due to change of gears).

So, I think 100K DPS is not quite enough to let the LS shine.
I may need 150K DPS (or more?) to have the LS worked optimally.

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post Nov 12 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Nov 12 2012, 03:55 PM)
Lol.. barb here yes mighty belt had LS but depends ur build also if high dps low IAS LS can't work well, if u hav LS also need LOH to backup...
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Could you count how many times I died when we play MP9 @ A3 last night?
I tested the LS with MoC. tongue.gif

LS is still not optimal for my build. I still need LOH as base life recovery.

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post Nov 12 2012, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 12 2012, 04:40 PM)
woooo~ 93k DPS with 964RA, 7.1k armor with 5.6% LS also die a lot?! you play in lazy mode or what?

since LS not suitable for your play-style, sell cheap cheap to me... k?   laugh.gif

i haven't upgrade any gear for a loooong time...
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Yeah, I used the lazy mode. tongue.gif

I have only 5.93K armor.
The 7.1K armor you saw is the buffed armor with MoE.
Just to test the different mantras and the coefficient of LS.


Added on November 12, 2012, 4:53 pm
QUOTE(Slythape @ Nov 12 2012, 04:47 PM)
I have little trouble in mp8/9 farming for keys with most mobs with my new gear setup, just once in awhile you meet stupid packs that my lifesteal and dps can't cover.

Pretty much can stand in desecration/molten/plague at the same time but if theres reflect damage in there I have to move out due to my lifesteal not covering the reflect damage. Can still stand there and facetank mobs. Still a long way before I hit 200k unbuffed and maintaining decent defensive stats.

http://d3up.com/b/93141 if you'd like to see my setup for doing ubers or farming keys.
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Try to increase your LS to 5.5% or above.
Your DPS may drop 20-30K.
But it's ok. We just want to know whether LS works better with 150K DPS or not.

I can contribute another LS gear, just for testing purpose.

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post Nov 12 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Nov 12 2012, 04:59 PM)
i commented about 100K DPS similar to this problems a few weeks back..in this thread..doing MP10 SK+Magda..

100k DPS...or should i say my dual wield 125K DPS..unbuffed (not plus MOC skills yet)..with 1500 LOH + 5LS....the main problem i have was....yes..when u first hit elites....u are like the boss..seems ur life is not draining down at all....but the problem occurs when they start spamming their skills..which is surprisingly arcane is not a main problem..but when descreator ...running molten...reflects dmg ...plaque or large AOE skills comes into play..with AR just 600....i feel its quite weak..i mean seems like the life pool drained down pretty fast...

its like ..."man im like the boss here....errrk!!..wadafak??!!...why suddenly die?..so fast?!!!...didnt see that coming??!!"...my conclusion at that time..was maybe i need more life...maybe >45HP would be better ...also maybe its my armor..that is around 5.5K only thats effected my survivability..

therefore like i said b4..i changed back to shield.....its slowed down the life pool decrement a lot better in the AOE dmg situation...

p/s: n i just cant brain doing higher MP without the help of LOH..i donno but thats my result i get from my experiment...some ppl with lower AR..n only LS can do this?...donno man maybe im a noob of some kind...mine was 125K man plus help from LOH n LS...is it not on par with a 150k dps?.....donno man.. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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I didn't even test MP10 at the time.
Just tested the pure LS weapons at MP9. A lot of pain.
I know it couldn't generate enough life recovery because I could do better after I swapped back the LOH gears.

I did the test because I know i need to drop LOH if I wanna go higher DPS & better weapons.
It is easier to get LS weapons (as compared to 900+ LOH weapons).

Any 150K DPS monks who want to test the coefficient of LS? Ghom @ MP10 or a field run?
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post Nov 12 2012, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Slythape @ Nov 12 2012, 05:00 PM)
I have an echoing fury with some LS, but it's with my friend right now. Basically my LS is fine for most shit bar some stupid reflect damage + fast + molten + something pack where my echoing fury just makes it worse. And you do need a certain amount of LS to make it worthwhile, I'd say above 90k dps unbuffed is pretty ok if you have 2.5%+ LS and not doing MP10 obviously, and have decent EHP. As stated by other posts, getting a high dps weapon with good stats and LS or LoH is pretty expensive, LS being more sought after in higher dps scenarios but if you can afford it, why not get both as long you don't sacrifice dps.
Yeah, in higher MP difficulties, more HP always the better answer, so you don't get 1 shotted. Having decent armour and resists helps but HP gives better EHP overall and how it works with the life % makes it very worth while to get more vit, since if you can survive the hit, your high DPS will leech all your life lost pretty fast, except in some cases like reflect damage + something
Pretty much doable except for stupid packs as I said, I was doing mp10 while carrying a friend, just clearing to azmodan, didn't have much problems with most packs. That is with my old gear, have not tried doing mp10 with my new gears. Also there are times you can't just facetank, for example reflect damage + whatever, have to time cooldowns, walk away, then come back and kill it depending on how fast you can kill.
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Normally you won't face issue with damage reflection if you have sufficient LOH/LS.

Try add another 2.5-3% LS and share with us how it goes.
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post Nov 12 2012, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(Slythape @ Nov 12 2012, 05:17 PM)
I can come test it out if I'm free, add me Slythape#1514

Also I don't think its feasible for me to drop like 30k+ dps for another lifesteal weapon, as I don't have billions of gold to get a good wep with lifesteal. Pretty much the thing I had to do when facing these packs is just wait for my cooldowns then go back and hit them, nothing hard really.
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Yeap, i'll add you when i go home tonight.
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post Nov 16 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 16 2012, 02:56 PM)
i swapped (d3up) my mempo with inna radiance and i only got +2k dps
i lost so much VIT and AR, Life, and the 9IAS.

i thought inna radiance with 6%cc would benefit more sad.gif
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Speaking of VIT, the hellbashers @ keep3 @ MP10 always give me 1-blow with their hammers.

I have 31.7K HP/5.8K armor/920 AR now. It is certainly not enough to fight hellbasher.
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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 16 2012, 03:13 PM)
huwa.. i've always hated those guys. i quit my HC because of those guys too.
i'm not in the league of farmin in MP10 yet. i tried that day, i gave up after 3NV, i dont have the patience for it  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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MP10 only for key farming. Guaranteed drop of key so that there is no futile trip. laugh.gif
yeap, otherwise, go run at lower MP better.
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post Nov 16 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Nov 16 2012, 03:27 PM)
Taty i always say not cool mp 10 remember yesterday nite my ww spinning few min non stop barb owner feel wan dizzy.... lol

Going high mp gd also i wont feel go bed early lol.... hope loot well they...  i decide my barb stick to mp 10 frame key better....  still the same words not cool haha....
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I made few runs of solo game @ MP10 with both my monk and barb in the morning before leaving for office.
Collect 5nv and KW in 30min (it depends on what kind of elites you encounter too. Some nasty ones fire-walking fallen prophets could really give you pain in the ass... I meant dizzy head laugh.gif ).

Co-op@MP10 really takes a longer time.
Solo@MP10 is a total different ball game, imo. Try solo. You can clear very fast.

The hellbashers and the char-siew-pau (with hammer) gave me 1-blow.
I really need to increase my HP. May be I need 2-piece blackthorne... hmmm....
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QUOTE(present me @ Nov 16 2012, 03:43 PM)
Yah tat the way solo ok wont take so much of min killed a pack...

Ur monk wear blackthorn?  Scare ur monk wearless later haha.... damn sexy n SM style
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This is what i'm worried about... the design of Blackthorne's chest armor is really awful.
Run like naked... doh.gif

I try to find other gears to increase my VIT.
If i can't find, Blackthorne's could be the option.
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post Nov 16 2012, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 16 2012, 03:30 PM)
isn't farming at mp5-6, twice as fast as mp10?
arent these odds better?
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If farming for loots, yes, lower mp is always better.

Farming keys could be a pain though.
I failed to get A3 keys @ MP6 for consecutive 5-6 runs (while Ah Zhong was waiting for uber run in other game).

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 16 2012, 03:31 PM)
There its reason why they swing the hammer so slow before they hit you!

U R suppose to dodge that.

And 31k HP suppose to be not enough for mp 10.

Anyway, who care about what blitz think that you are suppose to do.
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Couldn't dodge those hits with 60% dodge rate at the time. Bad luck.
1 blow - KOed.

When i saw them swing, I ran.
I saw i was 2-3 yards away, thought it was safe. They still managed to hit me.
1 blow - KOed (may be i need to get MS boots or gears. But can't find better replacement).

After killing 3 hellbashers, I thought it should be happy killing the char-siew-pau.
Who knows the char-siew-pau had power hammer too.
1 blow- KOed.

Yeap, 31K HP is not enough. Need to increase that.


Added on November 16, 2012, 4:26 pm
QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 16 2012, 04:20 PM)
oh mai.. rly??
i got almost 10keys stacking by jsut running on mp3.
when im really desperate for keys.. i'd go mp5-6. always see you on high MP/ solo dare not hop in ur game lol sweat.gif
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QUOTE(clautee @ Nov 16 2012, 04:23 PM)
That is considering vy suay. MP6 is my favorite mp as I can sail smooth with min death. Efficient and the loots nt so bad.

Yesterday was the best. 4-5 runs of A3 with like 3-4 keys with almost a leg avg. All runs r short. NV 5 then stonefort. Kill KW then azmodan. Restart new game.
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Yeap, damn suay. Ah Zhong waited 2-3 hours and we called off the uber game eventually due to lack of IM.

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QUOTE(Slythape @ Nov 16 2012, 04:27 PM)
Funniest part of this, I was doing mp9 act 2 key runs with a friend of mine, we did 5 runs and he got 0 keys LOL, how unlucky
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Yes, futile run is really frustrating.
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QUOTE(clautee @ Nov 16 2012, 04:31 PM)
ALeUNe, if the uber game u mentioned above is on sharing IM basic then can add me too if u wan. EAN#6902.

I hav added Yuhhaur n paranoid but havent gt chance to co-op.
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Sure. I'll add you when i reach home tonight.

Those were the bad experience. Now I do keep IM stocks in the stash now.


Added on November 16, 2012, 4:36 pm
QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 16 2012, 04:20 PM)
... always see you on high MP/ solo dare not hop in ur game lol sweat.gif
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btw, yulia, you can just join. It just takes longer time to kill.
Still doable, no worries.

Let present me do all the running & damage, that's how he got dizzy head.
We just relax and slowly kill.

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 16 2012, 04:38 PM)
hahah gd idea..
he's a caring barb  tongue.gif
i notice he dont leave you behind in coop games
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hmm... yes, he always comes back and gives me a war cry.
Or he teleports back with his perma freeze (especially when he sees me play DH laugh.gif).

That's how caring he is.
I think we need to cover his ass too...

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QUOTE(nonameNo @ Nov 16 2012, 06:11 PM)
I'm curious how you guys manage to play MP9 and MP10.

I'm finding it playing in MP5, with 80Kdps, 5500++ armor and 450AR, can die easily when facing some tough elite. is fun but taking a while to kill it.

Most of the time able to get the key with MP5.

When doing Infernal machine, do you guys doing solo? If yes, need to seek advise. Been doing solo with MP4 with difficulty slashing the boss.
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Beside the gears (DPS/AR/Armor/HP etc), I found both active and passive skills play an important part in MP9/10.

i.e. overpower on WW Barb is better than war cry
i.e. I find MoE (yeap, dodge rate) work beautifully in MP9/10

You need to test which skills work for you.

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 17 2012, 03:29 AM)
Yes ..it stacks.Loh stacks you can see fro the stats details.

To answer the Q above as when LS makes more sense..well it depends on your crits. The more you crit at bigger dps, the more LS you get back..so it depends on how frequent can you crit. If you low crits..high dex..LS maynot be suitable as you dishing out say average 50-60k per hit...which translate to 300-400 life back only.

Anyways, I need  PC on an 1 hand Axe:-

Stats 1028.7 DPS, +954 (max) LoH, 2.3% Lifesteal and OS. How much should it go for? AH prices are inconsistent ranging from 25M right up to 250M..
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About your axe, do it come with DEX or STR?
I'm interested if it has STR.
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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 17 2012, 04:00 AM)
So is it safe to say that LOH sucks if it is in the 300-400 region?

Here's my problem. I have two rings that i'm currently looking into beside NAT reflection.

Unity with LOH on it and Litany with the AR on it. Both rings have 160 ish DEX, 4.5 CC, 8/9 IAS. Unity has the average damage but litany doesn't. Unity has 4 percent bonus against elites and litany has 7percent dmg reduction from elites.

So here is my problem, the Unity gives me 7.8k DPS boost but the litany gives me 1.5k DPS boost. However, the litany gives me more AR (60-65 region) la and with it have around 470 ish with perfectionist. (i'm a DH).

BUT..

i just can't convince myself to pay 100mil ++ and hating the LOH roll on the unity. and i also can't convince myself to pay for the 1.5k DPS boost from litany.

I'm asking here in the MOnk threads because no DH here seems to be using LOH.

Hope you monks can help me decide.

Thanks.

EDITED: How does LOH works on inferno? 300 means 300? Or does it work like LS?
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Are you going to use the ring on your DH?
If yes, you don't need LOH.
DH doesn't need LOH. Just get LS on your bow (i.e. Manticore) and spam Gloom.
DH has very high damage per hit, 500K-800K is quite normal. With Bola & spike trap, you can hit multiple targets and dish out millions of damage (in total) in a second.
I think you get a better answer at DH thread. Forget about LOH, you DH just doesn't need that.

Do you have sufficient AR? If yes, pick the one that gives you the most DPS.

So, for monk, it's a total different ball game.
For my case, LOH is still quite important for me (112K DPS unbuff) in terms of survivability in high MP.
I hope i could drop my LOH soon.

P/S Monk has better life recovery from LOH because he has faster attack speed, generally.
If you use 2 xbow, you don't see the fast life recovery. Unless you use 2 x 1H bow with 900+ LOH each.

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