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yuhhaur
post Oct 29 2012, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 11:37 AM)
my aim is a tanking monk with good dps.
i can see many monks with high dps but they are as fragile as any other DH/Wiz when it comes to high MP elites. those are dps monks which dont tank all all.
i want my monk to be able to tank first, and then dps it up as high as it can be.
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then try to work out :
6k armor+600AR, LoH 2k+LS 3% @ 50k dps aim
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post Oct 29 2012, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 11:37 AM)
my aim is a tanking monk with good dps.
i can see many monks with high dps but they are as fragile as any other DH/Wiz when it comes to high MP elites. those are dps monks which dont tank all all.
i want my monk to be able to tank first, and then dps it up as high as it can be.
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considering this:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/yulia-6616/hero/2336994

why the contradiction then?

if tanking is your first priority, you should be wearing a shield (do not forget shield bearers also can have decent/high dps because there are shields that easily add over 300 dex and 8-9%++ (cant remember the limit) crit chance)

not to mention your mantra should probably be MoE + hard target (there are many monks here who uses that mantra and still have very respectable/high dps)

i mean, you're using blade storm rune for ur SW instead of cyclone anyways for dmg consistencies and prolly lack of crit %, might as well have the entire build fashioned to that same goal that you've intended, no?

if you're going to MoE as i suggested, can consider Guardian's path (if you insist on dual wielding), guiding light if you coop, or resolve (or transcendence so you can get healed while spamming MoE mantra when SW is already up) if you're solo + shield (this will let you tank a LOT better, and you can prolly focus more stats on dps)
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post Oct 29 2012, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Oct 29 2012, 11:47 AM)
then try to work out :
6k armor+600AR, LoH 2k+LS 3% @ 50k dps aim
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so i see main problem is AR and the life steal
i've tried to stack as much IAS but the dps doesn't really go beyond 40k unbuffed.
im guessing next upgrade is CC%

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2012, 11:48 AM)
considering this:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/yulia-6616/hero/2336994

why the contradiction then?

if tanking is your first priority, you should be wearing a shield (do not forget shield bearers also can have decent/high dps because there are shields that easily add over 300 dex and 8-9%++ (cant remember the limit) crit chance)

not to mention your mantra should probably be MoE + hard target (there are many monks here who uses that mantra and still have very respectable/high dps)

i mean, you're using blade storm rune for ur SW instead of cyclone anyways for dmg consistencies and prolly lack of crit %, might as well have the entire build fashioned to that same goal that you've intended, no?

if you're going to MoE as i suggested, can consider Guardian's path (if you insist on dual wielding), guiding light if you coop, or resolve (or transcendence so you can get healed while spamming MoE mantra when SW is already up) if you're solo + shield (this will let you tank a LOT better, and you can prolly focus more stats on dps)
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i thought about shields but previously all shields rolls barb stats only, which is why i invested on fist weapons because of the attack speed.
if you're looking at my current build it's not the usual build i go with coop.
i run on MoE most of the time, with cyclone, with combination strike passive. i only switch to conviction with SW when i go solo because i kill everything before i have problems tanking. im hoping to improve my monk to be able to have more dps when im tanking.


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post Oct 29 2012, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 11:56 AM)
so i see main problem is AR and the life steal
i've tried to stack as much IAS but the dps doesn't really go beyond 40k unbuffed.
im guessing next upgrade is CC%
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To have real damage, it is important to have CC & CD.

Since you're going to revamp your gears, free CC from your helm.
Get CC from amulet/rings/glovers/bracer.
Use Mempo of Twilight as your helm. This is an awesome helm with excellent DEX + VIT + AR + IAS + socket.
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:11 PM

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u can opt to get LOH from ring & amulet after 1.0.5 buff. This will open up alternative for u to get a decent weapon to boost ur dps.
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 11:56 AM)
so i see main problem is AR and the life steal
i've tried to stack as much IAS but the dps doesn't really go beyond 40k unbuffed.
im guessing next upgrade is CC%
i thought about shields but previously all shields rolls barb stats only, which is why i invested on fist weapons because of the attack speed.
if you're looking at my current build it's not the usual build i go with coop.
i run on MoE most of the time, with cyclone, with combination strike passive. i only switch to conviction with SW when i go solo because i kill everything before i have problems tanking. im hoping to improve my monk to be able to have more dps when im tanking.
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Well to be honest if you want to tank...take a shield with 2x resisit + armor + Vit in your inventory. I have a really nice shield for ooo...shhhheeeeet crazy afflixes. 20% block chance, 74 AR +26 Poison res, 54 Str, 85 Dex, 176 Vit, 315 Armor + 7% CC. Absolutely glorious when I want to tank..smile.gif. Only down side of shield is that you lose 15% ASI but if as long you are still 2 hits per sec with some decent LoH (LoH would be preferable since your dps takes a big dip if swiiching over to shields) ust spam MOC while standing there. block chance not so great but...the reason you getting the shiled is to buff the armor/res..not for the block chance (its a bonus for me)

I agree with quaza that transendence would be better when shielding as you will spam MoC/boH/Blind to push your dps..or MoE..to really make you tough as a diamond..


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post Oct 29 2012, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Oct 29 2012, 11:56 AM)
i thought about shields but previously all shields rolls barb stats only, which is why i invested on fist weapons because of the attack speed.
if you're looking at my current build it's not the usual build i go with coop.
i run on MoE most of the time, with cyclone, with combination strike passive. i only switch to conviction with SW when i go solo because i kill everything before i have problems tanking. im hoping to improve my monk to be able to have more dps when im tanking.
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that's where the AH comes in lol. shields aren't as expensive as weapons because everyone and their DPS craze these days ignore shields lol.
1 of the legendary out of the 3 in my act 2 replaying is a stormshield (barb stats lol), i was happy until i check AH, can barely sell for a mil or 2 doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

also, you're not losing a lot of aspd from going 1 handed, the dw bonus isn't as high as you may think smile.gif
the main dmg boost from dw'ing is the 2nd socket of +80-100% crit dmg smile.gif

and 36/7 k dps you can kill everything before you have tanking problems at mp7-8? i have problems killing even with 50-60k dps at mp5 solo sweat.gif
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Oct 29 2012, 12:16 PM)
Well to be honest if you want to tank...take a shield with 2x resisit + armor + Vit in your inventory. I have a really nice shield for ooo...shhhheeeeet crazy afflixes. 20% block chance, 74 AR +26 Poison res, 54 Str, 85 Dex, 176 Vit, 315 Armor + 7% CC. Absolutely glorious when I want to tank..smile.gif. Only down side of shield is that you lose 15% ASI but if as long you are still 2 hits per sec with some decent LoH (LoH would be preferable since your dps takes a big dip if swiiching over to shields) ust spam MOC while standing there. block chance not so great but...the reason you getting the shiled is to buff the armor/res..not for the block chance (its a bonus for me)

I agree with quaza that transendence would be better when shielding as you will spam MoC/boH/Blind to push your dps..or MoE..to really make you tough as a diamond..
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Monk can do away the shield because monk can have 7K armor + 1.1K AR without the shield.
So, shield is not needed.

If you use shield, you have one lesser LOH/LS gear, which is essential in tanking.
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(M2K2Land @ Oct 29 2012, 11:44 AM)
True but too be tank in mp7 > you need

5000+ amor
700+ resistance
LS/LH 3%+ or 1500+
AS 2+
HP 30k++

I experience and this is my best tanking attribute in Mp7 (no need to run around with ghom)
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also a char with above stats but at least 900 LOH 2.5 LS....and with a 100+DPS + a SHIELD (>30% block) also can do MP7 above very well in tanking...im talking about my char actually..

yes if u look into my profile ull see is a 83K++DPS unbuffed..but do remember im a MOC - Overawe type...after blazing wrath i got a 95K DPS buffed + 24% MOC-overawe passive (already break the 100K dps)...not adding additional 40% DPS on spamming mantra... LS works wonders on high DPS...

my point is....u can go shield (but pls..use a high block % one) thus can lower the amount of LOH + LS abit...with high DPS set-up..

im the tanker of my group...we can do mp7 efficiently..

p/s: still waiting for my goods to sell to buy Witching Hour....aiming to breach the 90K++ DPS mark..with a shield..

This post has been edited by sangtupperware: Oct 29 2012, 12:26 PM
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Oct 29 2012, 12:22 PM)
also a char with above stats but at least 900 LOH 2.5 LS....and with a 100+DPS + a SHIELD (>30% block) also can do MP7 above very well in tanking...im talking about my char actually..

yes if u look into my profile ull see is a 83K++DPS unbuffed..but do remember im a  MOC - Overawe type...after blazing wrath i got a 95K DPS buffed + 24% MOC-overawe passive (already break the 100K dps)...not adding additional 40% DPS on spamming mantra... LS works wonders on high DPS...

my point is....u can go shield (but pls..use a high block % one) thus can lower the amount of LOH + LS abit...with high DPS set-up..

im the tanker of my group...we can do mp7 efficiently..

p/s: still waiting for my goods to sell to buy Witching Hour....aiming to breach the 90K++ DPS mark..with a shield..
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Let's not forget you are a paragon LVL100 player.
Meaning you are average 40-70 more levels than many of the players.
So, you have few hundred DEX/VIT/STR points more than average players too.
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 29 2012, 12:21 PM)
Monk can do away the shield because monk can have 7K armor + 1.1K AR without the shield.
So, shield is not needed.

If you use shield, you have one lesser LOH/LS gear, which is essential in tanking.
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7k armor? Buffed or not?If not thats a lot of armor meaning almost all gears have +armor afflix in return meaning $$$ with 1.1k AR can be done..been there but the dps takes such a big hit..you get pretty bored trying to kill white mobs at MP5-6.

I can only tank siege/SK with a shield in MP8. Ghom is a joke as long as you have Loh/LS.


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post Oct 29 2012, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 29 2012, 12:28 PM)
Let's not forget you are a paragon LVL100 player.
Meaning you are average 40-70 more levels than many of the players.
So, you have few hundred DEX/VIT/STR points more than average players too.
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his point being that having a shield mitigates a LOT more dmg from the block and armor (and stats such as dex for dodging, vit for more eHP) in which you no longer need as high LS/LoH as you stated.
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2012, 12:32 PM)
his point being that having a shield mitigates a LOT more dmg from the block and armor (and stats such as dex for dodging, vit for more eHP) in which you no longer need as high LS/LoH as you stated.
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ya thats why i suggest a shield with high block% ...mine is 34%....dex 242 vit 114..CC 10 my eHP was 700K++ ..

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Oct 29 2012, 12:29 PM)
7k armor? Buffed or not?If not thats a lot of armor meaning almost all gears have +armor afflix in return meaning $$$ with 1.1k AR can be done..been there but the dps takes such a big hit..you get pretty bored trying to kill white mobs at MP5-6.

I can only tank siege/SK with a shield in MP8. Ghom is a joke as long as you have Loh/LS.
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7K armor is achievable, unbuff.
I have 6474 armor now, unbuff. And my gears are cheap gears. Upgrading few gears would give me a further boost in armor (i.e. Vile Ward with STR affix).

Tanking uber boss/SB in MP8 doesn't need a shield.
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QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Oct 29 2012, 12:34 PM)
ya thats why i suggest a shield with high block% ...mine is 34%....dex 242 vit 114..CC 10 my eHP was 700K++ ..
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what shield you wearing? im considering on upgrading my current one for higher mp tanking for the uber bosses (that day on mp3 i was with 2 DH and 1 WD, naturally ill be the tank, and my tanking gear are so outdated/not on par it was a bit of trouble lol)


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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 29 2012, 12:35 PM)
Tanking uber boss/SB in MP8 doesn't need a shield.
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however you need high LoH/LS, no? what we're all saying is that, with a shield, you do not need high LoH/LS.

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2012, 12:38 PM)
however you need high LoH/LS, no? what we're all saying is that, with a shield, you do not need high LoH/LS.
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Monk can do away the shield because monk can have 7K armor + 1.1K AR without the shield.
So, shield is not needed.

If you use shield, you have one lesser LOH/LS gear, which is essential in tanking.

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i'll never sell my belt for the witching hour belt
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2012, 12:38 PM)
what shield you wearing? im considering on upgrading my current one for higher mp tanking for the uber bosses (that day on mp3 i was with 2 DH and 1 WD, naturally ill be the tank, and my tanking gear are so outdated/not on par it was a bit of trouble lol)


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however you need high LoH/LS, no? what we're all saying is that, with a shield, you do not need high LoH/LS.
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its a sacrifies shield named like that...actually good shield is quite cheap with out AR....i bought mine few month back...around 10M only..
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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Oct 29 2012, 12:55 PM)
i'll never sell my belt for the witching hour belt
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That belt should give you at least 10K DPS boost.
Does it come with AR?
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correction up there.. when i go coop is up to mp6-7
if solo i certainly would not be killing them that fast. i go solo max up to mp5

also, i do understand that shield will benefit more in terms of defense with the block% and AR, VIT, CC.
my current dps is already not high, if switching to shield it would require me to switch almost my entire build for my monk at the moment.
i see it possible to still tanking with dual fist weapon, if given a choice i'd prefer two fists over 1fist+1shield. smile.gif

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