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post Nov 2 2012, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 2 2012, 03:47 PM)
trifecta nat reflection also can do that whistling.gif  @you Thales!
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Oh ya.. I also lupa on that...also that wicked Witching hour with Vit and AR @ you dreaming...



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post Nov 2 2012, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 2 2012, 07:34 PM)
Inna has crit chance, but no IAS.

Mempo has IAS but no crit chance.

Mempo with both is only like a few hundreds millions....  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

Andariel has both, BTW, I just found 1 more andariel with socket? Who want? Cheap cheap nia...
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Dex? Berapa extra fire damage? if less than 10% I am intrested...

Anyways I got an Andriel no socket with 234 Dex, 47 Vit..16% extra fire damage taken which I wanna let go if yours is better smile.gif

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post Nov 5 2012, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 5 2012, 03:47 PM)
dex/vit/crit at or near maxed roll? lol
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Wassai..sumerfist no let go..2M also nak gasak...tongue.gif

Me no love Inna's radiance...no ASI. Andraiel is the best eventhough 4.5% CC smile.gif (plus me poison monk..kekeke)
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post Nov 5 2012, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 5 2012, 03:54 PM)
if 2m can get me updated inna's i don't mind AT ALL laugh.gif

and i dont care about IAS anyways. ill care about it when i'm done pushing the rest (hoping for 50% crit lol, baby tornados are pretty)
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I just posted something at the DH thread ..questioning whther CC has a treshold. I seriously think the strike rate of 50% CC doesnt really justify the amount of gold spent on it. My DH currently sits at 50.5 CC and it feels that I'm critting at my old rate 43.5%. Gonna swap to a 1h cross bow later, swap a ring and turn on sharpshooter at 65.5% and see if I can crit perpetually smile.gif
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post Nov 5 2012, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Nov 5 2012, 04:39 PM)
lol 900 LOH...i got mine for 66M win bid...

it was

500++ LOH
140    DEX
90      CD
7        CC

if weapon with >70 CD with socks + LOH?...that one cost more then 100M!.. biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

but bcuz of the amulet i have to use OWE all my life now... doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Damn..like that also 66M. Lucky me..I got a drop 5++ LoH, 65% CD, 6% CC and socket...nearly put 100k as buyout smile.gif

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post Nov 6 2012, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 6 2012, 02:59 PM)
then there are also other variables such as MoC + overawe, and i got WKL wink.gif
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Ahaha just the rite time to pose this. For a 100k DPS toon, LS will be superior as 1. Cyclone leech life but No LoH. 2 Cyclone hit multipile targets hence..leech faster. Only time loH is superior is vs shielding.

Quaza..your WKL doing good ehh..I bought back my nice WKL which I sold earlier as the person offered me back since he's going for shenlongs with OS (mad bugger or shall I say $$$).Using it as an offhand...paired with a pure physical weapon and ..my OMG. 65k DPS can down stuff just as fast as my friend 80k monk. Got to save some money now for a nice FoA/Sever with socket smile.gif and trying to just go pure LoH route with 0 LS smile.gif.

Which main hand are u using now? Sever looks promising...for the + demon damage and + crit chance.
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post Nov 6 2012, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 6 2012, 05:02 PM)
thx for the advise.
I got a Mara http://d3up.com/i/1190470 as alternate. Glove I changed from CD/CC doh.gif axe is my main source of life recovery. I scare I cannot withstand higher MP without that 900LoH+2.4%LS...

Still funding for these items.
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Summerfist....I think you can drop LoH from one of the weapons and get a 3LS 1k Handweapon with Dex and some vit and socket. As your dps goes up...the LS will scale better and will ultimately outpoint the LoH.
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post Nov 7 2012, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Nov 7 2012, 02:50 PM)
U need time. last time i also dont like it but now like it VERY MUCH...I will stick for this build onli.
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Yeah the teleport is abit of a pain at first but once you get the hang of it..its great!!! It helps a lot to reposition yourself in the ohhh..shhhhh moments..when you have to get out from Arcane+molten+ plague situations..

The baby tornadoes/cyclones are awesome!!!!.... if you have a high DPS main hand weapon....you can virtually life leach all the way
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post Nov 12 2012, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Nov 12 2012, 11:28 AM)
need both LoH and LS for perfect build IMO...
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Agreed. Loh works best when vs shielding Mobs. LS works against everythingelse!!!!. Once your DPS goes beyond 100k..LS is the way to go..as the return is so much better.

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post Nov 12 2012, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Nov 12 2012, 11:41 AM)
hard to get good high dps weapon with LS..envy those Barbarian, can get 3% LS from belt and 3% more from passive..
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Nothing that mastercard cant help..lol. But yes...LS stuff is damn exp, just see a socketed Echo with LS..siow prices. I managed to buy a 1026 DPS mace with 2.9LS with 174Vit and OS for 15M which I think its overpriced.sad.gif. Bought it because it had min max damage as it complements my WKL. Now paperdoll damage 85k..but heck I am sure I am hitting harder than that..smile.gif
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post Nov 12 2012, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(d3dragonslayer @ Nov 12 2012, 03:25 PM)
will that be pretty pricey for a weapon with LoH + LS? (and also crit dmg? either socketed or fixed affix)
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Yes it will..but IMHO..just skip LoH on weapons as you can get it from jewelries or lagendaries armor. Focus on LS as that is the only stats we (apart from Barb) gets from weapon only.

Loh is great if you are mid tiered. Once you reach end game...LS will out point LoH. As yauhar mentioned max LoH is 3k plus..whereas LS there is NO ceiling. The more DPS you dish, the more life you gain. And for a 100k Monk crtting at 200-300k crits/ 500k -800k from 7SS, LS is a much better for regaining life.

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post Nov 16 2012, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Coconut @ Nov 16 2012, 04:30 PM)
Hm you guys with 500-600 AR can survive MP5? I got like 7xx AR, armor 4k+, still can die easily on some elite. Increase my armor can survive longer?

On solo games, keep spamming MOC overawe can increase dps? I check my dps seems the same..
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What is your vit? 700AR is nice, armour probably need to buff to 5k.

In the end its about EHP. If you have 400-500k EHP your are set...get life sustain gears..i.e LoH/LS or regen to regain life.
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post Nov 17 2012, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(darkaxx @ Nov 17 2012, 02:08 AM)
guys does loh on both shenlongs stacks ?
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Yes ..it stacks.Loh stacks you can see fro the stats details.

To answer the Q above as when LS makes more sense..well it depends on your crits. The more you crit at bigger dps, the more LS you get back..so it depends on how frequent can you crit. If you low crits..high dex..LS maynot be suitable as you dishing out say average 50-60k per hit...which translate to 300-400 life back only.

Anyways, I need PC on an 1 hand Axe:-

Stats 1028.7 DPS, +954 (max) LoH, 2.3% Lifesteal and OS. How much should it go for? AH prices are inconsistent ranging from 25M right up to 250M..
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 17 2012, 03:41 AM)
About your axe, do it come with DEX or STR?
I'm interested if it has STR.
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Aleune..no main stats at all...just pure Loh +LS + Socket...if it had vit...= profit!!!!!!!!!
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post Nov 17 2012, 04:16 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 17 2012, 04:00 AM)
So is it safe to say that LOH sucks if it is in the 300-400 region?

Here's my problem. I have two rings that i'm currently looking into beside NAT reflection.

Unity with LOH on it and Litany with the AR on it. Both rings have 160 ish DEX, 4.5 CC, 8/9 IAS. Unity has the average damage but litany doesn't. Unity has 4 percent bonus against elites and litany has 7percent dmg reduction from elites.

So here is my problem, the Unity gives me 7.8k DPS boost but the litany gives me 1.5k DPS boost. However, the litany gives me more AR (60-65 region) la and with it have around 470 ish with perfectionist. (i'm a DH).

BUT..

i just can't convince myself to pay 100mil ++ and hating the LOH roll on the unity. and i also can't convince myself to pay for the 1.5k DPS boost from litany.

I'm asking here in the MOnk threads because no DH here seems to be using LOH.

Hope you monks can help me decide.

Thanks.

EDITED: How does LOH works on inferno? 300 means 300? Or does it work like LS?
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Hey 2890...nice to see you here..

Well..to be honest..it depends what your LoH is for..as a complement to gloom or just as a side extra. To be effective as a life sustain factor LoH needs to be in big numbers...1.5k-2k. loH at Rings max at i think 450 which will never be enough. Look at it this way, the LoH is a complement to your life regen...treat it as that.I take the unity over the litany (but then you have a wailing ..so u miss the OMG MF/GF bonus) smile.gif

No 300 is not 300. LoH has proc rates which is determine by the skills runes...certain skill proc more. Eg Fist of Thunder+Thunderclap procs 150% of LoH for 2 hits and 75% on 3rd hit.




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post Nov 19 2012, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 19 2012, 01:29 PM)
shenlong pair is awesome.
from wat i see, ppl opt for WKL when cant afford shenlong.
a pair of shenlong will also give you +130dex, spirit regen, chance to cast fireball.

also, WKL attribute only restricts to lightning dmg.
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Not quite true...

The +5/6% is direct boost..on the weapoin damage. Does not require lighting dmg..

The 15-25% extra to lightning skill only applies to skills whihc uses lightning, ie FoT-

So FoT gets therotically max 31% extra from WKL..and the cyclones will get extra 31% as wel, hence WKL is probably the best off hand gear for a FoT monk.

If you see the prices, a LS OS 9XX DPS WKL with 5/25% damage can cost much more than socketed Shenlongs...


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post Nov 19 2012, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 19 2012, 02:00 PM)
the win thing in WKL the lightning dmg attributes. but that also means i have to stick to FoT + cyclone build in my entire monk gameplay. switching build puts me at a big disadvantage. build diversity is somehow limited.
also, in shenlong pair, one of the glove will always come with IAS (if im not mistaken), to get IAS on WKL with decent stat+socket, the price isn't really worth it IMO.
investing on shenlong, heavily on mainhand, and get a decent offhand, but both socketed, easily grants me the set bonus of 130dex, spirit regen, etc..

getting a pair of good WKL versus a pair of Shenlongs, probably WKL will cost a lot cheaper and does give the same damage outcome comparing if the monk uses FoT+cyclone build. value for money, WKL wins here.
if a monk only equips WKL on offhand, and shenlong on mainhand, it's a huge sacrifice to lose the shenlong bonus stats.

im crazy for IAS so i would naturally opt for shenlong, for my tiny LoH build. 130dex is a lot to be ignored. i wanna hit 3k dex if possible  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
u where got poor lol..
LS win my LoH even on my shenlong hahah.
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Yup..agreed on the point that with a WKL..you are stuck with cookie cutter build..standard Fot/cyclone. But the same can be said for shenlongs as well...shenlongs only have 1 random roll..so its if its OS..you cant get LS. So...shenlongs also forces you to go the loH route..which we all know end game pales if compared with LS.

I am not trying to say WKL is better than shenlongs..but WKL has a lot potential end game wise. The + damage goes very far..especially if you weild a black damage weapon (i,e min/max damage afflixes). That is why I dont get why u say socketed shenlongs are more expensive..just search for LS OS WKL..you will be amazed how much they are going for. WKL works best with black damage weapons and will fair poorly with +elemental damage weapons..hence WKL with shenlong is an absolute nono..smile.gif. FYI..my 85K unbuff WKL monk downs MP6 Azmo in 1 minute flat...which some 100k Monk might struggle to do in that time..smile.gif






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post Nov 19 2012, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(ilikehandphones @ Nov 19 2012, 03:53 PM)
see all ur replys bout wong kim lau...wkl it is then..gonna get a cheap one 1st...test test.
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Easiet way to test it is by going at Azmo at a level that you think comfortable. For me..its MP6, dismiss follower and play solo and time the total duration for u to kill azmo without WKL and with WKL
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 19 2012, 05:26 PM)
fat enough to whack on without cheezy mechanics needing avoidance
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Absolutely....I was in a public game ..and azmo hasnt even finished his.."Yada..yada.." dead....2 crits drom 2 really Imba DH's cluster bombs...smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2012, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 20 2012, 09:28 AM)
Gear up to have sufficient LOH/LS.
Damage reflection is not an issue.
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Well..I also notice some issues with minions RD. I am pretty well geared in life sustaiin, 1280 LoH, 2.9LS and 520 Regen. 600 AR and 5.5k Armor..and yes I die easily to RD minions. Only happened after the hotfix was rolled. Weird but true..


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