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ALeUNe
post Dec 6 2012, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Dec 6 2012, 12:38 PM)
How fast u ppl kill Diablo Inferno (mp=0)?

Wondering if someone managed to kill it within 10 seconds
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Why you want to do that?
Isn't it more challenging to kill MP10 diablo in 10 seconds? Hmm... tongue.gif
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post Dec 11 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Dec 11 2012, 04:33 PM)
I can offer a few insight why "currently" I prefer the 2H Skorn.

1. Perfect weapon for Low MP para leveling/farming
2. Like the SSS with high dmg 2hander. Bell also viable.
If once I got bored of para levelling and decided to go for high MP, AND still prefer the Skorn then I will make a few tweak to items because:

1. Skorn is so fu*kin' slow. Need to get IAS items
2. Less headache to find BIS MH and OH

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Try Sever. The best weapon for lower MP for me.
Highest damage i've ever seen (with Sever) was 30million. laugh.gif

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post Dec 11 2012, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Dec 11 2012, 05:09 PM)
Due to the 1st line or last?  hmm.gif
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slain enemies rest in pieces.

Awesome weapon for tempest rush.
MP0-3, millions and millions of damage on screen.
2% LS is more than enough. laugh.gif

P/S Sabenarian used this on his monk. He should know.

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post Dec 11 2012, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 11 2012, 05:17 PM)
million???? how is that possible?
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Try it... you never know. brows.gif

NOTE: This is only for low MP. For high MP, this weapon is not really effective (for me).

P/S Oh... it's time to sell my Sever.

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post Dec 11 2012, 05:28 PM

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This was the highest DPS Sever found at AH yesterday.
Let me know if anyone wanna get it.

Millions damage guaranteed. laugh.gif


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post Dec 11 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 11 2012, 05:34 PM)
hmm.. yeah too bad ah close d lol. but puzzle whether it really does millions of damage
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google it or see youtube.
I tested it. Yes, guaranteed millions of damage.

Note#1: You need high enough DPS where you can kill mobs in 1-2 hits. Well, most of us can do that in MP0-5.
Note#2: Killing mobs in 1-2 hits? That tells you you need to do low MP.
Note#3: Cow reminded me. You need LS to have life recovery. So, you go dual-wield.


Added on December 11, 2012, 5:40 pmUse Sever where you can one-blow mobs.
It is much better than Skorn in low MP, at least for me.

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post Dec 11 2012, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 11 2012, 05:45 PM)
i know why u wanna sell that sick Sever... u never really farm low MP anyway.  laugh.gif

i always see u in MP10  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Sell it because i can't do MP10 uber with it.
Normal mobs & elites are no problem though.
Not enough LS/LOH and life recovery is too slow if i use this Sever.
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 14 2012, 03:11 AM)
Ok Fellow monks, i need your advice.

1. How does cyclone work?

2. For a 150k DPS monk unbuffed, what is your in game DPS?

Cuz seriously, my friend a DH on the EU just told me that a 200k DPS unbuffed monk is doing close to 900k in game DPS where he claims his DH (215k unbuffed) is doing 750k in game DPS.

Please, if this is true. i'm selling all my DH gears and roll a monk.
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Hmm... how do i put it?

In terms of survivability in high MP (9/10).
Generally, melee class heroes have better survivability as compared to ranged heroes.
Perma-freeze Wiz could be an exception.
So, monk has an edge there.

900K DPS in game by the monk, you need to check with your friend whether it is skill buffed.
Skill like Blinding Faith/Faith in Light only gives you 3s buff and it needs cool down for 15s (-20% cool down with a passive skill).

For me, DH can dish out 900K damage easily on multiple targets.
For instance, Bola + spike trap combo and it can hit 20-30 mobs simultaneously. Monk can't do that in general.
And these skills require no cool down.
So, DPSer, DH is much better.
(our fellow monk, Clautee, has rolled both monk and DH. He can verify this)

200K DPS monk - you need to sacrifice many defensive attributes.
Pretty much a "glass canon" build which I personally do not like.
Well, it is a trade off - DPS for lower defensive attributes.
I tried facetank MP10 Azmodan couple days ago... a lot of pain. Arcane in MP10 is very painful too.
(I didn't encounter such situation when I had 5500 Armor/1050AR)
Based on the current game patch & game play, monk could be the one & only class that relies on a lot of melee attack. Low defensive attributes aren't really good, especially if you want to do high MP (9/10).

Seriously, I am not sure how well monk do in MP10.
I have a little doubt on my monk as I slowly push up her DPS (A trade off)

My confidence in my monk is a bit shaken now (only in MP10). I used to play it with a lot of confidence with excellent survivability (among all the heroes I have).
I need to gain back the confidence. We need a monk party doing MP10 uber.
The last MP10 uber I did with monks was with the help of a perma-freeze Wiz (3 monks + 1 Wiz).
So, any confident monk wanna do MP10 uber? We need to test it out.
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 09:52 AM)
I definitely would love to play both chars however based on my limited playtesting observation has convinced me that DH > monk but not by a large margin, lol.

[Edited several minutes later]
For instance, my DH defeats Diablo mp10 in ~9min 15secs whereas my monk took 2min 15sec longer and both chars have almost similar 175k sheet dps.
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Technically speaking, monk should have shorter time because DH needs to kite a bit.

Anyway, if you look at damage caused by bola + spike trap, you know monk can never have such kind of damage.


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post Dec 14 2012, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 10:10 AM)
^^I've a monk that is passable for mp10.
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Yes, we need to test MP10 uber.
Tonight? Any other monks wanna join?


Added on December 14, 2012, 10:17 am
QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 10:14 AM)
I've managed to build a tanker DH that doesn't need to kite at all, ...just throw Grenade -SG, perma-Gloom & fire Cluster Arrow -LfB once per/sec flanked by 2 Sentry -GT turrets.
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In that case, your DH can dish out a lot more damage.

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post Dec 14 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(kkng77 @ Dec 14 2012, 11:08 AM)
i ma interested to join... is my monk qualify?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KitDee-1948/hero/5923257
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QUOTE(samuraislash @ Dec 14 2012, 11:33 AM)
Meee... Mee....  Start wut time.. All monk pt?
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Yeah, all monk party.
Just to test out if monks stand out (as claimed).

Do you qualify?
I'd like to give everyone the benefit of doubt.
I assume everyone will play his/her part in doing MP10 uber.
(Kill the uber in 8min. Facetank Ghom. Who will tank SB? etc etc tongue.gif )

I'll add you guys later.
Probably start the game after 9pm.

So, moba, are you joining?

P/S By the way, each player contributes 1 IM. Get your IM ready.


Added on December 14, 2012, 1:14 pm
QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 14 2012, 11:38 AM)
Yes..there is a thread in monk forum at battlenet calculating true DPS. Cant find it now..but its easy to do.

1. Dismiss follower, since follower adds dps
2. Take Azmo as benchmark (MP6 is great as Azmo life is about 36Mil)
3. Time the total time to kill azmo.
4. Calculate 36M/time = True DPS.

From what I gather from the thread, monks output is usually 7.5X of the paper DPS, with WKL its about 9x.
Hence, a 200k monk can easily deal more than 1M damage per sec.
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If this is the case, I think all heroes can do more than paper DPS.

For my build and experience, my monk is not really killing faster than other class heroes.

Anyway, we will try to run uber MP10 and see if we monk can kill faster than other class of heroes.
For barb and wiz, the average record I have is 16-20minutes to complete all 3 uber portals.
Hope we can beat that with our MoC.

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post Dec 14 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 14 2012, 01:31 PM)
Actually no..I think only monks with SW build has a lot of hidden DPS.

The 45% from SW and damage/crits from cyclone is not refelcted in paper DPS.So too are the buffs from BoH/BL/Combo strike and MC Overraw. Therefore, on paper Monks looks weak but in game...FUUUUUUUUUU...1v1 its just insane. We should do a benchmark for all classes, DH/Barb/WD/Wizzy on MP10 and see who can kill fastest..
hence the rumours that during PvP..monks going to be nerfed....
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I think you refer to combination of skills that deliver the damage simultaneously.

Yes, other class of heroes have that too.
i.e.
Barb's tornado + WW + battle rage + overpower + WoTB
Wiz's Frost Nova + explosion blast + twisters/meteor
DH's Bola + spike trap + death mark + sentry
WD's RoT + acid rain + zombie dogs + gargantuan + corpse spiders

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post Dec 14 2012, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 14 2012, 02:28 PM)
So is cheating. Period
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No, monks don't cheat. Just impossibru!
It is just an exploitation when the monk sifus permit.
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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 02:57 PM)
I hope you all know which gods is the one out of 1001 because I'm following that god.
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