Not a fan of WP, but as current version of Symbian on 808. WP will be a better choice, with proper tethering capability, apps, and other features.

I am satisfy with the 41MP on my 808, I can live with it since i not into those app. For those who dun own 808 might go for 1020, for their additional so call "features" which is marketing gimmick. OIS or not, i got steady hand, so yeah.

i can't wait for them to do comparison between 808 and 1020. but Juha said that 1020 will be sharper, didn't promise to us to be greater than 808PV.

for me, let it be. 808PV still needs to be respected. that's the work of around 400 people who made it possible. and last symbian phone (I have a sudden feeling to cry now )

I guess the image quality will not be that far off between 808 vs 1020. Image stabilisation is important, which in this case, applied BOTH in video mode and picture mode. 808 has its own image stabilisation too, but only in video mode.

Sound quality for 808 is superb for handphone, but honestly, though ideal in noisy environment, it does not beat the like of dedicated camcorder. I knew because I have an old SD JVC camcorder which has very good sound recording capacity. I hope 1020 improve its sound recording further.

And 1020 do make phone call, whatsapps, facebook, cloud computing, map, send files to flickr (i hope) etc... really. What else do one need ? Games?

Btw, my kids dropped my wife's 808 countless time (with plastic protective cover), and it still runs till this day. Nokia product quality is beyond doubt I think.

This post has been edited by peter32: Jul 12 2013, 03:15 PM

Ipon drop on floor with cover also pecah

talk about build quality...

true true true Nokia quality is at least among the best

nokia's phones built to last...so hard to rosak
ipong's n samsung's easy to rosak or crack...so easier to upgrade

According to pureviewclub personal hand-on comparison, here's notable difference betw 808 & 1020:

1. 1020 actually has slightly smaller sensor size than 808.
2. F2.2 for 1020, F2.4 for 808
3. 1020 has BSI sensor for better low light imaging, and RGB sensor for better white balance. 808 has none of above.
4. 1020 has optical image stabiliser as earlier we mentioned.
5. xenon flash also for 1020, but slightly smaller than 808's.
6. 1020 comes with better software to control the camera features.
7. NO 'Bracketing', 'interval shot', or 'Timer' features ? ( I guess we need confirmation on that.)
8. PHotos to shoot at Either 5MP or 34MP, no more 8MP pureview mode, which I used the most.
9. NO saving in Raw Format !
10. 6x zoom in 360p video format, 4x zoom in fullHD format.
11. 1020 has lower minimal focusing distance than 808 it seems, but no details of how close it is.
12. 1020 has mechanical shutter.

btw.. this window phone app store has camerapro like symbian did?

liek diz one huh?

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/ap...c13?signin=true

or not ?

Both also dont save in RAW isnt it?

I'm surprised that even GSMArena report lower minimum focusing of 15cm. I looked at Nokia site and 808 was listed having 15cm also. Somehow GSMArena report reduced from 20cm(808) to 15cm (1020).

808 also have mechanical shutter. If I remembered what I read sometime back, you need mechanical shutter whenever you use Xenon Flash.

Need help from fellow brothers here. My 808, whenever a call comes in, sometimes I click on the green answer icon, it still cannot answer the call. Even i press the green answer physical key also cannot answer. I just have to let it ring until it end, then call back the other person trying to call me.

what to do? please help.

point no 4, a SECOND GENERATION OIS according to Juha (maybe better but i see no moving video samples yet)

point no 10, 360p will not be available but like 808 we can choose the framerate that we want (which is cool!) and the zoom is not at smooth as 808.

point no 12, 808 got one oso wat? only 1020 dun hav ND filter

You are right.

item: 12, I didn't know that.
About the RAW file format, neither has it. But it is one of the most sought after feature by the users across the board, Esp the pro or semi-pro.

anyone here would like to let go his/her nokia pureview 808?
if so,pm me plz.. I wan to buy it~~

with the new SDK, i think achieving the RAW format is plausible. developers will find more within the lumia 1020 and this is important to keep it from being outdated device. nice move, mr Nokia!

and yeah, its finally a STEREO RECORDING. 2nd mic located inside the big loudspeaker. but don't know how it works if we use the camera grip

808 is good enough, but I'm not able to share my internet connection to other Android devices. I don't really mind the apps as it's not my primary phones, but for those who use it as primary phones and actively using those apps (e.g. Android or iOS users), it'll be hard to switch to 808PV, but easier to switch to Lumia 1020.

As for OIS, not a necessity but nice to have regardless, useful when shooting still objects. Although I usually shoot moving subjects, but still OIS does come in handy.

Depending on the user, there're many people who love shooting food, toys, etc indoors, so the OIS will be great benefit to them. Having that said, OIS is a feature that other manufacturer easily catch up, even now there're other competitors offering OIS. The uniqueness is mainly the 41MP sensor +sensor size and the lens.

Finally, there is camera app for WP which allows manual controls...
Oh and... 808 has poor focusing, sometimes it just won't focus even you're > 15cm away, quite annoying. With the S3, I can easily focus. Hope they will fix this problem in 1020.

For video, OIS may cause "jelly effect". So need to understand and still maintain steady hands. Should not be compromise or taken for granted for having OIS.

Yes, sound is superb, but should not compared to camcorder. Comparing with any smartphones, the 808 sound recording is incomparable, too much noticable difference, not "slightly difference" but one that you can tell right away even for many people. And the sound output from 808 is also great.

As for drop, the 808 is tougher than 1020. I own N9 and used to own L800, it's not as tough as 808, dropping those will surely cause dent or damage, but 808 is tougher (but heavy). Nonetheless, it also depends how it's dropped.

There's something extra, when you shot in PureView Mode, it also save the full resolution image together. Usually with 808, I will take a full resolution and a PureView mode sample, with the 1020, just keep in PureView mode and you will get both sample.

Hope there's higher FPS for video, then can do slow-mo video. HTC One has it.

1020 comes with camera app which allows manual/advances controls, which is what I wanted for the 808 since the beginning and people been requesting it.

1020 apparent has manual focusing 'touch-ring' built-in. That is why this is going to be a big toy item for photographer.

About the jelly effect, ya its annoying, and now I know how its called and due to what. Thanks.

Is "jelly effect" contribute to distort image? Correct me if i am wrong.

What the point to have well focus picture but the image is distorted?

Unless there's option to activate & deactivate OIS, no?

Jelly effect is obvious if one view the recorded video. But I doubt it will distort the photo.

edit: Image stabilisation for pureview 808 can be turned off. Looked like we will have to do just that.

This post has been edited by peter32: Jul 15 2013, 11:28 AM

Something like that, but usually it happens more on video due to the "OIS" being taken for granted. Without OIS, normally the user will try their best to stabilize their hand and movement, pan slowly. But with OIS, the user tends to "take for granted" thinking that the OIS will solve the shake, etc, but it will cause the "Jello Effect"

The correct word should be "Jello Effect" or in another word, Rolling Shutter. In video, you will see it, the "jelly like effect" or "wobbling". If you try to "stabilize" a shaky video using software processing, you will notice this effect if you apply more harsh stabilization (or shake reduction).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

They should allow user to turn off the OIS, but need those Lumia PureView with OIS users to confirm.


EDIT:
Off Topic: Your siggy eye-scroll, dammmm funny!!! This is also what happen when I see my friend testing it, somehow the head will also move, hahahah and the eye will like want to pop-out cause trying to concentrate, it's damm funny.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 15 2013, 03:06 PM