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 Degree In Quantitative Finance, Need Help here pleaseeee :(

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post Oct 6 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(confirm @ Oct 6 2012, 11:41 PM)
Risk management is big thing even for Malaysia corporates such as all the banks. A good QF degree from a great school will attract plenty of job offersin KL.
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Let's hope so... lots of Malaysians studying this sort of subjects right now.

QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Oct 7 2012, 12:43 AM)
There is not much differences in Quantitative Finance vs Financial Mathematics vs Financial Engineering, if you just look at the title. My suggestion is to get the course syallabus and compare the subjects that you need to study.
Even for courses with the same title, different business school may has different emphasis with respect to math, programming, finance.
CFA will make getting job in fund management so much easier.
Financial sector is very wide, with jobs in front, middle, back offices, sales / marketing ....
What is your characters? To be happy in your career, choosing a jobs that suit your personality is very important.
For a first degree, as I said, a good business degree (accounting / finance) open the most doors.
If you want to be quant later on, then do a Master in QF or Financial Eng. There are a few good courses in Singapore.
In my opinion, unless your first quant degree is from some top notch school, it's just not worth it. You miss out on basic accounting, law, marketing in the general business degree, which make you more well-rounded.


Added on October 6, 2012, 10:59 pm
The trick is "good QF degree" from "a great school"  hmm.gif
If you want to get to basic risk management job, a GOOD general business degree will do. To move up, get FRM. This way you keep your options open.
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You're right. For Quants a graduate/MSc degree in Quant Finance/Financial Eng/Comp Finance will be the least one needs. Maths, Engineering, Physics, Stats PhDs are not uncommon. For undergrad an Accounting/Finance degree is less specialised, so more "flexible" we could say. However no one gets to do a graduate Quant Finance degree unless they've done a lot of Maths in undergrad or they are some sort of Maths genius.
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post Oct 7 2012, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Oct 7 2012, 01:46 AM)
That's what I keep saying to young friends who want to get into financial sectors. It's a wide wide world  sweat.gif
From your basic Consumer / Commercial banking, Investment banking (corp fin, treasury, equity / debt ... ), transaction banking, fund management (plain vanilla, hedge, private equity, venture cap ... ), commodities, real estate ...
For a person who just getting a 1st degree, it's too early to decide what is your cup of tea  smile.gif  Do something that let you able to taste any chances that come your way later.
To specialise, get a professional qualifiaction or a Master to pad up your CV.

An old friend of mine from a chinese independent school used to represent the school in all those math competition. Did a business degree. Years later, did a MSc FE to become a quant. Math, even after so many years, is piece of cake  flex.gif
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All true. Not everyone is like your friend though. It is highly specialised, but if anyone seriously considers a quant career then they need to choose their undergrad subjects quite carefully. Finance degree will not do. Even a Quant Finance degree may not do because you may only do a couple semesters of Maths plus a couple semesters of Mathematical Finance, then a bunch of Stats. That's how many undergrad degrees are. In the US it's even broader despite the longer duration making the concentration in Maths even less.
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post Oct 8 2012, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Oct 7 2012, 03:02 AM)
On a practical note, I generally found those with more "empirical" background make a much better quant .. engineering, applied physics ... come to mind.
My pet peeves with lots of undergrad business / finance program is that they are feeding the crappy MPT to those virgin minds as though it was the gospel doh.gif
Err ... is there a "pure finance" degree nowadays? Sorry, I may be out of touch smile.gif
I thought most undergrad degree are something like B. of Art/Sc/Bus/Comm with a major?
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of jobs out there for good quant laugh.gif Problem is a basic degree in QF/FM/FE will NOT get you those GOOD jobs  sweat.gif
Yes, get a GOOD 'flexible' (in your words) 1st degree. Make sure you get good grade, and read financial newspaper / periodicals.

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I don't feel that they teach theory from the purist, hypothetical, academic perspective. I feel like they emphasise a bit that there is the practitioners' point of view that theory doesn't agree with, although it is heavily used in practice sometimes. I do feel that while they teach Corp Finance theory, Black-Scholes, Binomial, Options, MPT, there is very little solid link to reality. They do point out that "in reality it's not likely to be like this, they add this and that" but even at 3rd year when it's meant to be "applied" it feels as if I've completed all these classes but they aren't going to propel me into a job (if I can get one) armed with any know-how. So I'm doing all this just to go in blind. Like, I know when you start work (I've worked in Finance "behind the scenes" for some time) there's so much to learn and you develop a new system for yourself/follow one while learning continuously for an extended period. But in this case I'm doing a full degree, taking difficult and high level electives, yet I feel as if I could've learnt so much more on my own or by working a couple months. There is a huge flaw in the school system and it is easy to admit the degree is all one really gets from the academic side of school (this doesn't apply to all schools, I didn't go to a top 10 uni in the world unfortunately, who knows if they're any better).


QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Oct 7 2012, 04:29 AM)
Actually I got into fund management by "accident". Was in re-insurance and financial accounting before that.
So you want to be a "fund manager"? You do know that means managing and investing "other people's money" in most cases, until you can start up to manage your own money, like Warren Buffet huh tongue.gif
Tough? No, but there are lots of things to learn. But as in any profession, there are good fund manager and there are bad fund manager smile.gif
The most important lessons that I learn in the first few years:
Make sure you know how to "protect" capital. 10% loss can be recovered by 11% gain. 50% loss, you are looking at 100% gain to get even.
If you make mistake, admit / adjust. Don't let your ego get in the way.
Make sure you have mental capacity to continue functioning after loss. A 10% loss of a 100mio fund is 10mio. At the beginning I could not sleep after the funds I manage suffered loss, thinking about all those aunties / uncles / kids with their education funds .... shocking.gif 
You notice that none of the above is "technical" in nature  biggrin.gif
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Interesting, you got into FM from reinsurance and financial accounting. Were you an accountant in the reinsurance business? When you went into FM did you have to start from the bottom?

Is it true that in FM people work not as many hours as IB analysts?

 

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