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 Buying a new laptop? NEED RECOMMENDATIONS? V17, Kindly FOLLOW the FORMAT TQ~!

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Frostlord
post Nov 22 2012, 03:42 AM

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hi all

need some recommendation

1. Preferred Brand : Sony, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP (no asus, acer, compaq pls)
2. Budget : 3.5k for W7, 3.0-3.2 for W8 (using the 300 for W7 HP)
3. Usage : gaming, mainly SC2 and SWTOR
4. Preferred laptop/screen size : more than 14inch

below are some of the model that i had surveyed and my comment on them

toshiba
AH532
- for some reason the laptop is hot even when idle. the display laptop in lowyat shop is hot. the MSI laptop next to it is cool, so couldnt be aircond issue. also there's no laptop vent pointing to the toshiba

Sony
EA1127
- limited stocks due to old model. new model is W8
- i couldnt find the place to open up the laptop to do cleaning (future issue. might need to clean fan to avoid laptop overheating issue)

Lenovo
Y580/480
- a lot of negative remarks on Lenovo forum. also the laptop graphic card is not suitable for gaming. from the nvidia forum, some user mentioned that it can be used for gaming but not for long. means i can play 1-2 hours then need to let it cool down or it will overheat even on brand new Y580

G480
- surprisingly couldnt find much about this laptop online eventhough its everywhere in MY

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post Nov 22 2012, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Nov 22 2012, 09:49 AM)
I will disregard your brand preference smile.gif
With your budget, the best bang for buck gaming laptop right now is:
Ideapad Y580, i7-3630QM + Nvidia GTX660M + 1920x1080 @RM2999[JBL], 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), W7HB/W8, backlit keyboard, 2 yrs warranty
Use the spare to upgrade to on site warranty, (swap the HDD to ODD, put in an 128G SSD) (this part solve some of the heat issue), get a cooler master U3 cooling pad (this part address the heat issue), increase the RAM (if you want). Still have money left over.

And no, you don't need to spend money to downgrade from Win8 to Win7, if you really insist  whistling.gif . Microsoft allow you to do so at no extra cost.
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really? where to downgrade? then later when W8 SP1 release, can i use back W8?

and on the laptop, any other recommendation besides Y580?

This post has been edited by Frostlord: Nov 22 2012, 06:44 PM
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post Nov 22 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Nov 22 2012, 09:49 AM)
I will disregard your brand preference smile.gif
With your budget, the best bang for buck gaming laptop right now is:
Ideapad Y580, i7-3630QM + Nvidia GTX660M + 1920x1080 @RM2999[JBL], 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), W7HB/W8, backlit keyboard, 2 yrs warranty
Use the spare to upgrade to on site warranty, (swap the HDD to ODD, put in an 128G SSD) (this part solve some of the heat issue), get a cooler master U3 cooling pad (this part address the heat issue), increase the RAM (if you want). Still have money left over.

And no, you don't need to spend money to downgrade from Win8 to Win7, if you really insist  whistling.gif . Microsoft allow you to do so at no extra cost.
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btw, i just checked out Y580. IMHO its too big for me. i prefer 14" more
any comment on Y480?
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post Nov 23 2012, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Nov 22 2012, 11:42 PM)
Need to dig out an old brochure I came across in LYP smile.gif

17.3"
MSI CX70 0ND-030MY i7-3610QM GT640M 4GB 750GB (5400rpm) (1600x900) (anti-glare) DVD 2.7kg RM2999 W7HP


Added on November 22, 2012, 11:52 pm
Y480(5934-7549), i7-3630QM + Nvidia GT650M (GDDR5) @RM2599 [JBL], 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), backlit keyboard, freeDOS
Y480(5934-1372), i7-3610QM + Nvidia GT650M (GDDR5)@RM2699[JBL], 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), backlit keyboard, W7HB, 2 years international warranty

Best bang for buck 14" gaming laptop (for your budget). The edge that Y480 has over the rest of 14" in terms of price / perfomance, is less than what Y580 has over all the other gaming laptop.
A saving of RM300, but you get smaller screen, only HD resolution, only GT650M. Not a fair trade off in my book smile.gif
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thanks bro

btw, do you know any Fujitsu AH532 users in LYN? there is some confusion with the specs and i need their help to check
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2599990
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post Nov 23 2012, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Nov 23 2012, 12:41 AM)
The full steps can be found in this link:
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/...bid=AQGmLT-eAuW

I will attempt to make it easier to understand:
1. Prerequisite - Your W8 must be "OEM Win8Pro". Only this version give you the legal downgrade right in the license.
2. You can downgrade your OEM Win8Pro to Win7Pro.
3. Steps:
a. You buy a laptop that come pre-installed with OEM Win8Pro. This Win8Pro has an activation key.
b. If your purchase come with an OS OD media, skip to c. Otherwise, you better create a recovery media, so that you could re-install Win8Pro next time if you want to.
c. Get a copy of Win7Pro with valid activation key. (get it from your friends, your own copy lying around). You need a valid key to do installation. The key could not be used for activation (so tell your friends not to worry, you are not pirating his Win7Pro smile.gif )
d. Check your laptop BIOS. Win8Pro use secureboot. Your laptop could be setup in UEFI. You need to change that to AHCI, otherwise Win7Pro would not install.
e. Back up your data if any.
f. Wipe your Win8Pro installation (reformat).
g. Install Win7Pro. Use the Win7Pro key to finish installation.
h. When you boot into Win7Pro, it will inform you that the Win7Pro key could not be activated (since it has already been activated in your friend / your other machine). It will give you a number to call (giving you a chance to buy a Win7Pro key since you are using a pirate software smile.gif ). Write down and call that number.
i. When you get through, explain to Microsoft you are downgrading. They will ask for your OEM Win8Pro activation key as proof.
j. Once Microsoft confirm your OEM Win8Pro key is valid, they will provide you with a "temp" key. Use this temp key to activate your Win7Pro. You are done downgrading.
k. If you later realise your "mistake" and want to use back the Win8Pro, just install it using the OS media or the recovery disk you created. Use your existing OEM Win8Pro key to activate it.
g. Yes, once you reinstall your Win8Pro, of course you are eligible for any Win8Pro SP upgrade.

Good luck smile.gif Seriously, give Win8 a chance. Use it, look past the tiles. You will appreciate it is a much better OS than Win7. To speed up your learning process, look at some of the videoz Microsoft create to tell you how to get around the OS. Skip those touch screen related stuff if you don't have touch screen. Personally I found myself using keyboard and keyboard shortcut a lot more, and using touchpad / mouse a lot less smile.gif Start menu is overrated. Why do you want to click click click to get to a program, when you can just type the name of the program and press Enter to launch it?


Added on November 23, 2012, 12:51 am
AH532-MYEVK20029, i5-3210M + nVidia GT620M@RM2750, 4GB, 750GB, W7HP, color: Black
http://www.fujitsu.com/my/services/computi...h532/specs.html

Brands do bring different specs to different markets. That's why you must pay attention to the specs reviewed by foreign review sites  tongue.gif

But that is still 15". At that price point, you might as well consider:
Dell 15"
Inspiron 15R (Special Edition), i5-3210M + AMD HD7730M@RM2199, 4GB, 1TB(5400rpm); backlit keyboard optional, W7HP/W8
Inspiron 15R (Special Edition), i7-3612QM + AMD HD7730M@RM2799, 8GB, 1TB(5400rpm); backlit keyboard optional, W7HP/W8
Inspiron 15R (Special Edition), i7-3612QM + AMD HD7730M + (1920x1080; anti-glare) + 32GB SSD + 1TB HDD(5400rpm)@RM3199, 8GB,backlit keyboard optional, W7HP/W8
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thanks for the replies

actually my main concern with W8 is more with compatibility issue than user experience. some of the game im playing reported problem with W8. there is workaround but some still face the problem

regarding the fujitsu laptop, im confuse with the GPU specs. Fujitsu websites say its GT620 with 2GB dedicated memory. but from all the website i check, GT620 dedicated memory is only 1GB. and some websites (ie : notebookcheck) shows that the GPU is GT640 which is indeed 2GB dedicated memory rclxub.gif

oh btw, the main reason im interested in AH532 is because of the GT640 (hopefully) GPU. according to notebookcheck its one of the higher end 2nd class GPU tongue.gif

This post has been edited by Frostlord: Nov 23 2012, 04:09 PM
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post Nov 23 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Pyjamas999 @ Nov 23 2012, 04:29 PM)
Heyy can u explain why in actual performance vram doesnt matter?  sweat.gif
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btw, just made a call to fujitsu directly. the staff confirm with me is GT620 with 2GB VRAM. does this even make sense? sweat.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 23 2012, 05:02 PM)
I think you just got yourself an even newer model laugh.gif


Added on November 23, 2012, 5:03 pm

Why doesn't it make sense?  hmm.gif
Never expected a GT640M in the 1st place haha..
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well, from Nvidia site and other GPU site, there's no GT620M with 2GB VRAM. it only have 1GB VRAM


Added on November 23, 2012, 5:15 pmgonna ask a noob question here. the laptop size 13"/14"/15" if referring to laptop size or screen size?

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deciding between Y480 and Y580 now. sweat.gif

This post has been edited by Frostlord: Nov 23 2012, 05:49 PM
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post Nov 23 2012, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 23 2012, 05:49 PM)
Like mentioned before, 1GB or 2GB VRAM, the performance is the same  nod.gif
the 13" refers to the screen (excluding the bezel) size.

Some people prefer smaller and more powerful laptops  nod.gif
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any comment on Y480 vs Y580?

doesnt seem to have huge impact on sc2 (GPU)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/StarCraft-2.35167.0.html


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post Nov 24 2012, 03:06 AM

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thanks all

i will prolly go for Y480. still finds Y580 too bulky for me tongue.gif


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