these two guys are the most retarded animals in the world.

i dont care. i want cheap cars. i dont want to learn making cars. all i care is i want to drive bmw 30k RM. not a single sen more.

and also proton is about making cars. thats it. no technology thing. not about educating people. not about engineering expertise, new added values to own people. people want knowledge go read books. or utube. or sleep with martin winterkorn. heard he sleep talking. sure he can tell how to make cars when he sleeps.

all i want cheap cars.

acquisition of lotus was sick. does it make cars here cheap? no. so if anything done not doing car prices cheap, so it is no good. sick. since 2006 taxes go down but car no cheap. i must blame proton. dont care.

compete to altis are u crazy? this cannot compete with even horse cart. cart cheap no use petrol so sure better. what mahalel done? nothing. he never intended to design small engine or develop such technologies when he acquired mv agusta. so correct la sell for 1 dollar. eh was it 1 dollar? christ somebody bought it off for nearly 100 million years after that!

power window got 5 years warranty also no good. ya la. 5 years too short. must make like 100 years. eh wait. lifetime warranty? it got lifetime warranty? oh shite. wait. wait. must figure something to blame proton. wait. i got it. haa see, 100 years is better than lifetime.

the design is nothing like peter schreyer. or that guy design bmw what his name. forgot but proton, in any way u see it, dont look like 5 series. thats it. i am done.

must bash proton. everyday.

Not design by bmw guy la. BMW guy only for QA.
Design by Proton, but with the consultation from italdesign.

hey u how la fair like this.
make me sound like know nothing is it
haha

but seriously. i hope that is just a mule. it is hideous. SUV is a great vehicle segment proton seriously need to get involve in. of course it is late now everyone got their SUV sold here/asean. what happen with the JV they did with the chinese company and they got this low sloped exora tested few years back? that cud be a great new vehicle if proton decides to introduce a new vehicle.

i thought they got like this JV of which perhaps proton got this opportunity to sell those vehicles here. i mean not as that bad looking as that chinese low slope exora, but few mods here and there i bet that going to be proton version of caldina some sort. of course market size could be a problem but treat that as spin off deal. china is the main market and malaysia/asean should be the other main market. so small volume should do. its win win what.

the other thing is, engine development. seriously they need to get like one new engine for every 5-10 years. that also considered not so good because everyone getting a new one for every 3-5 years.

and that city vehicle. whats going on with that. can they fit one small 1.0 or 1.3 litre engine in that? whats the delay? late Q3 or Q4 2013 atleast they should get that one out already. dont wait la for frazer nash. just get petrol version out first. EV/ hybrid can come later.



This post has been edited by mokhzaini: Oct 3 2012, 11:44 PM

It is too costly for them to build their own SUV, given the state of proton right now. It is more practical to have the youngman SUV instead.

The most sensible car for Proton is GSC. Affordable car, and good for economies of scale. Get the EMAS out as soon as possible or Saga replacement with global standard. If they really want NFE (Family Y or whatever) engine to be in EMAS, then give the saga 1.3 CFE, and it will be selling like hot cakes.

Engine development is big issue with proton, lack of fund, expertise perhaps. Only reuse campro for so long. That is why keeping lotus is very crucial for proton, for long term. Proton kene tegas dgn lotus to get the technology transfer quick. Not like with misubishi, all ikut misubishi... habuk pun tarak.

korean started at 1962. on 1993, their car won best car award in australia. (30 years)

malaysia started on 1983. based on the argument by proton-fag, we should be winning the award in 2014.

preve kot. lol.

bro. u are wrong. thats korean.

for malaysian we can add five more years to the equation. so. make it 2019. so on 2020, all malaysian will be happy we have award winning car to drive.

perfect

yeah 5-10 years if we are competitive, and we probably get a free holiday for that.

to increase competitiveness we need to offer and think further than others.
proton just matching up to others, when forte got those features they made a car just slightly better on specifications to compete with too much unofficial marketing.
but in fact, not much wow factors.

try remember when forte first come out, its features certainly a wow and pawned most of the car.
for our interest, thats also stress on other manufacturers to improve when to be competitive in market.

prototype only

Forte VS Inspira

i bought an Inspira
more on resale value to me.n oso Mivec engine

in my POV,

its not about starting earlier (Toyota/Hyundai/Ford) vs late starter (Proton)

Proton was created to rip off the rakyat themselves, producing junky transportation vehicles that was not created based on a nationalism mind.

Japanese are proud to be making those Toyota(s) and proud to be using them.
The same goes with the examples given like Hyundai with the Koreans, Ford...etc.

Now back to Potong...
Are they proud to be making a national car?
Potong Management: Our goal and objective is to juice out from the low/low-middle income rakyats as much $$$ as we can. Not to worry if we price our cars too high, the gomen will make the others increase their price so high that the majority population will never afford it!

Are we proud of the national car maker?
Do i even need to answer that?

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Added on October 5, 2012, 2:13 pmif by that time nothing falls apart from this car

This post has been edited by dtna7: Oct 5 2012, 02:13 PM

Okay so they might be ripping off our money in the beginning, and they were producing "backwards kit cars" (if you don't get that joke, a kit car is where you build a car yourself, so backwards meaning the car falls apart ), so what? I understand people bashing, but to the point of even calling their test mule ugly? Are they meant to be a looker in the first place? Would you call a human fetus ugly?

They've moved on. Now they're making cars that are more desirable to own and at the same time affordable. Sure minor bugs here and there but they're minor. It's not like you're buying a Mercedes A-class (which I think should cost RM120k+ if not marked by them duties or whatever). The most important thing is that they're moving forward, no matter how slowly it may be (although they are going at it at a pretty decent pace lately).

If you want good handling, super fuel efficiency, great looks, built like a tank and you can wrestle a bull in it and there won't even be a scratch on the upholstery, and still priced under RM100k, steal a Mercedes S-class.

That's a toyota harrier been modded to look like exora.. Probably stolen/illegal vehicle or the owner dont want anyone to recognize the real model.. Purpose: maybe criminal.. in the end, end up in JPJs garage becos of kena sita/kantoi... (hint: the inspira infront is JPJs one..)

I think la... dun flame if wrong..

I think most likely an exora chasis SUV test mule, the fuel cap position is very much different.

This where we wrong. Nationalism is overrated.
It should business oriented first rather than nationalsm.

With nationalism in practice, the result is Proton at current state. We want a national car, then you get a national car. We want a cheap car for ourselves, and what we get is cheap parts with heavily tax.

It our own mindset. You and me keep asking proton to produce cheap car for our market, so this is the result. We are sending the wrong message.

So, fcuk off natioanlism in automative industry. Let Proton become business oriented entity than a nationalism symbol.

business is not a business if you need someone to feed you from behind

Instead of barking at the wrong tree, deal with the problem.

If it need to overhaul the entire automative policy, vendor ecosystem, tax structure, then be it. Even at the cause of changing new government.

since we were and still are not that proud or in serious lack of nationalism, the then government went ahead banking on developing the sense of proudness in our people. thinking that somehow our people got that pride little by little as time goes on.

it worked in singapore, although not in auto industry nationalism part. since 1960s the then regime was very tough. stuffs like throwing out trash/rubbish were handle severe punishments. of course at that time when things werent as hygenic as we are now (are we?), that severe penalties irritated most people. but the then government didnt give a hoot about that. generations passed and now singapore is among the cleanest city in the world. better still the newer generations appreciated cleanliness which first was hated by most people. so the hate generation died the new generation learnt. so it did work this 'developing some sense' in our people. in our case, the automotive industry.

people can write hundreds and thousands of essay but it is u that decide. of course those times people were saying tin milo cars, but now tin milo cars no more. the generation that hate proton has slowly gone. some still here. however renewed hate begin to take mould in the form of 'high price of cars' in malaysia. they belonged to two factions this people - one that blamed proton for high price of vehicles, the other blamed the taxes. but both are in serious lack of nationalism. i read one post above spectically mentioned about proton needed to number 1 something something. guess what kid, ur wish already a reality. 10/11 NRMA survey placed proton at no.1 in australia. thats the number game for u.

been on this proton protection thing for couple of years now, but no one - NO ONE - ever able to dispute the fact that protetionism exist. and in the case of korean cars - of which people are so many fond of nowadays (to compare), the protectionism was very very severe. NONE, i repeat, NONE any of the foreign makes were permitted to be sold in korea.

if we were to take such measures for proton protectionism, there would be RIOT.

so people like to compare. a lot. but they compare just whatever they want to compare. cut this into half, that half then compare. of course to make proton a lot worse. but they dont want to compare how passionate the koreans and themselves. the products the koreans making today are results of 20-30-40 years of nationalism and passion by their own people. of course technology and management are other key areas but since u people like to compare then lets compare the most basic two firsts.

i am not championing proton, but it works. and its not that bad as some of u unfairly mentioned. and it not just about making cars. it is a whole industry.

conclusion?

lol. nationalism means willing to sit in sub-par moving refrigerator ?

so this discussion more to nationalism, automotive industry an government ?

proton try to compete in this segment too, so far wht we have now is livina x-gear n SX4 crossover, toyota rush ? not sure..

conclusion
good product sell it self.. so buy according to ur needs, priority n ur economy..