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Farmer_C
post May 15 2013, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(abcde90 @ May 15 2013, 09:38 AM)
U work in malaysian public hospitals b4 ? Ur last statement is misleading.

The ward pharmacist so called specialization was started in early 2003-2004.Nephro, cardio, medical paeds, onco, nuclear, ID pharmacist..etc..

this services started with major hospitals in klang valley then expanded to other states GH now already present in some district hospitals.
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No I've never worked in Malaysian hospitals before so I don't normally have the best information when it comes to pharmacy in Malaysia. I hope this 'specialisation' has been implemented in the GH of the city I live in. I plan to come home to Malaysia once I'm done with my PhD. Hoping to 'specialise' into a cardiology pharmacist one day.
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post May 23 2013, 05:16 PM

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Oh dear my coursemate wrote this, I found out. We were groupmates in the Advance Practice unit (Monash) in our 4th year.
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post May 23 2013, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ May 23 2013, 08:58 PM)
Could you tell me what does a cardiology pharmacist do, please? Is there any Cardiology Pharmacy in Malaysia that I can visit? My doctor explained that because I was born to a parent with coronary heart disease, therefore I have 50% chance to develop the condition one day when I get older. unsure.gif
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Sorry man, there are no cardiology pharmacies in the world. Cardiology (or other branches of medicine) pharmacists exist in hospitals and they are simply pharmacists who have 'specialised' into cardiology so you can say they know more about cardiovascular drugs and diseases than a regular pharmacist.

Genetics does play a role sadly but I'm not sure to what extent. Age, genetics and GENDER (male) are three risk factors that you can't modify. Monitor and work on the risk factors that you can modify (eg. blood pressure, cholesterol/triglyceride levels, smoking history etc).
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post May 24 2013, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ May 23 2013, 11:36 PM)
Hi Mercy, thanks for your explanation.

Theoretically, is there any drug or (ACE inhibitor) that one can take to repair the mitral valve (due to the complication of rheumatic fever) without undergo an open heart surgery? icon_question.gif
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I actually have no clue but from what I gathered in a few minutes, pharmacotherapy is not curative as it only helps you cope with the condition and delays surgery. Pharmacotherapy seems to involve vasodilators and ACE inhibitors. Hypertension appears to be treated aggressively. Only surgery is curative.
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post May 24 2013, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ May 24 2013, 06:19 PM)
So, it's like a living time bomb. mega_shok.gif

I remember you mentioned that your meaningful research is on the production of drugs to activate adenosine receptors in order to reduce cell death during a heart attack. Were you referring the cell death to heart cells or brain cells?
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You've got a great memory! Cell death in the heart. I'm also looking into whether our novel drugs have anti-remodelling effects as maladaptive remodelling in the heart after an infarct leads to heart failure.
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post May 30 2013, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Kain_Sicilian @ May 30 2013, 08:52 PM)
The fact is that there are Pharmacist who sub specializes in Cardiology. A Pharmacist who is conferred BCPS (Board Certified Pharmacotherapy Specialist) may be conferred AQ (Added Qualifications) in Cardiology if he/she meets the criteria for such a sub specialization.
See www.bpsweb.org for more details.

In Malaysia I am aware of a couple of Pharmacists whom are BCPS and specializes in cardiovascular medicine. Unfortunately, we do not have anyone with AQ Cardiology yet.
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Very interesting. The cardiology AQ interests me. This is an American examination/qualification though so I'm just wondering if this qualification is highly recognised/coveted in Malaysia or is it a qualification for a subset of pharmacists to pat each other's backs and nothing more? Not being sarcastic or rhetorical - would like some answers hmm.gif
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post May 31 2013, 05:11 AM

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QUOTE(Kain_Sicilian @ May 30 2013, 09:56 PM)
No, it doesn't work that way unfortunately. Once a mitral valve is damaged, the only way to repair it is surgically. The damage may cause mitral stenosis/regurgitation. BUt the ultimately clinical course will lead to failure of the ventricle. ACE-i , Beta blockers, etc will only serve to prevent the remodelling of the heart due to the neurohormonal storm caused by a failing heart. Whether to send a patient for valve repair/replacement depends on many factors, such as age, the extent of damage, etc. The choice of valve is also affected by whether the patient intends to get pregnant, or will they be able to be compliant to medications, etc.

Adenosine antagonists was once held as the holy grail for Acute Heart Failure . Unfortunately recent clinical data do not show that.
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My research group and myself are investigating novel adenosine receptor AGONISTS for cardioprotection and anti-remodelling effects. I probably should start reading up why the antagonists have failed although it's probably quite obvious. Been putting off reading them... I'm such a naughty student.
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post Jun 13 2013, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jun 13 2013, 10:02 AM)
well, there's no really solid evidence claiming that its effective. if you have read their brochures, the manufacturers do not claim any marked improvements over health as well ( well, at least from the one that i've read).

despite all the hu-ha about our the pH in our body have to be more basic, our natural pH is still neutral (7.4). which is only slightly, SLIGHTLY alkaline in nature. anything more than that you would get blood alkalosis and that's when your body system's may go hay wire as many important enzymes in our body would require a neutral pH to function optimally.

the only true benefit that i can see from this product is it really helps in washing our fruit and vegetables to remove and neutralise all the organic acids.

feel free to disagree.  biggrin.gif
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I agree. All this pH crap is hogwash and has no scientific basis at all.

QUOTE(henghuang @ Jun 13 2013, 10:22 AM)
Can anyone explain to me why are some institution offering homeopathy course? There's even a persatuan for it? http://www.pphm.org.my/

I thought homeopathy is a crack pot idea, and totally no scientific evidence.

http://www.cybermed.edu.my/cucms-web/new_w...raditional.html

Usually those who are not qualified to enter mbbs will choose to enter traditional medicine without knowing what it is...
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Homeopathy is quite literally the opposite of pharmacy. They believe that the more you dilute the drug, the more potent it becomes. They actually dilute it so much that there aren't anymore 'drug' molecules in there. In fact, there will be less than 1 molecule occupying the volume of the entire universe. I'm not exaggerating. They also use 'drugs' that produce similar effects to the symptoms of the patients but of course it doesn't matter since there aren't any drugs at all in the preparation. I think they also believe that 'knocking' the preparation imparts 'memory' into the water? Homeopathy is at best placebo (just drinking water, literally) or at worst, causing harm to patients whose conditions continue to deteriorate due to the lack of benefit. Sadly, people have died from trusting homeopathy.

Currently, non-conventional medicines are only required to prove their safety and quality but not their EFFECTIVENESS - that's right, unlike in conventional medicine where pharmaceuticals are tightly regulated and where most potential drug candidates (that have tens of thousands of hours of scientific research invested in it) don't make it to the market because they're not good enough in human patients, non-conventional medicines can be sold without valid proof that it works.

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post Jun 14 2013, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 14 2013, 06:07 PM)
But considering how we're doing pharmacy, a gap year would mean we come out and work when we're 26/27?
True though, it's business and security. I kinda regret taking A levels if I wasn't trying to go UK straight. But it's prepared well.
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post Jun 15 2013, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 15 2013, 01:05 PM)
No wei, I chose pharmacy because it's the best of both worlds for me in getting money and doing what I have a passion for.
Both my parents are accountants. Can't imagine myself being one!
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If you live somewhere with less competition, opening your own pharmacy is the best way to make monies. Otherwise, I guess you should just work hard to collect salary and promotions laugh.gif

Just never forget why you're doing this, because at the end of the day, passion is more important than big bucks. Fortunately, pharmacy earns you decent money too smile.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(PuRp13 @ Jun 21 2013, 01:27 PM)
Hi there, does pharmacist will be surely involved in sales or maybe business field? Because I had heard some of them said that even they were a graduated pharmacists, they don't really need to apply their knowledge they have learnt during their degree. Is that true? And in order to be a pharmacists, do we need to have socialising skill and be an out going person? I'm quite quiet and my socialising skill is not that good.so is pharmacist really suit me? I have been in dilemma for few months. I don't know whether I have made a right choice to study pharmacy. Please help. T.T. Thanks in advance
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Community/retail pharmacists are involved in sales and business... because they need to run a pharmacy, which is a business too. BUT, what separates the good from the lousy pharmacists is your clinical knowledge. Your customers will really appreciate it if you take care of them well with your knowledge and skills. They will appreciate it if you give good advice and counselling... and to be able to do this you need to have a strong knowledge of your drugs and the conditions. If you really want to use your knowledge to the fullest, you should try working in a hospital.

You don't have to be a very sociable, centre-of-attention type person to be a pharmacist but you need to have decent communication skills. If your communication skills are not good, then you will dread communicating with patients and doctors. I used to struggle with it but I have much more confidence now. You will get better with time and experience too.
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post Jun 21 2013, 06:55 PM

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^Agree with the point above but communication skills will still be essential (talking with clients, your superiors, colleagues, giving talks and presentations etc).
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post Jun 23 2013, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(PuRp13 @ Jun 23 2013, 02:00 PM)
So monash is much batter imu?
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Monash University's Faculty of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences in Australia is ranked 6th or 7th in the world. In Malaysia, the pharmacy school is quite new and while it is not at the same standing as the faculty in Australia, they should have similar-ish standards upheld (I hope).

IMU is very established in Malaysia but of course ain't that great in world/Asia rankings by any stretch.

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jun 24 2013, 07:25 PM)
Hi Farmer_C & zstan,

At the pharmacy schools, do you manually count individual pills on a tray, or rely on hands-free automated pill counter? sweat.gif

If counting manually, are there any rules of thumb for a pharmacist to dispense prescription of drugs safer, more accurate and more efficient? ohmy.gif
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In Australia, we don't normally remove the pills from the original packaging. From my understanding, it's common practice in Malaysia (I've volunteered in a pharmacy in Malaysia for 2 weeks when I was in my first year) to sell loose pills in those white bags. I don't feel that that's a good idea for many reasons. The only time the pills are removed is when we do 'webster packing' or filling dosette boxes.

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In this case, we just count the pills needed manually and put them in - the final product is then double-checked by a pharmacist if it was done by an intern or student. Obviously, mistakes can still happen and they happen more frequently than they should...

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post Jun 25 2013, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jun 25 2013, 07:55 PM)
Thanks Farmer_C and zstan for both of your explanations.

In terms of medical information on prescription drugs, vitamins and over-the-counter medicines, do pharmacists share the same knowledge as the general physicians? sweat.gif

Say I developed some health-related symptoms and I went over the counter at a pharmacy. Do the pharmacists know all types of general medications for the gastrointestinal tract, the cardiovascular system, the central nervous system, pain and consciousness, musculo-skeletal disorders, the eye, the ear, nose and oropharynx, the respiratory system, endocrine problems, the reproductive system or urinary system, contraception, obstetrics and gynecology, the skin, infections and infestations, the immune system, allergic disorders, and nutrition? icon_question.gif
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Pharmacists are often the first port of call for patients because 1) we're health professionals 2) we're available without appointment 3) talking to us doesn't cost a cent (which is kinda sad).

No other health professionals know more about drugs than pharmacists, not even GPs. Sometimes GPs or even medical officers in the hospitals know so little that I sometimes wonder if they really should be allowed to prescribe at all. The exception to the rule is that consultant doctors are likely to know more about the drugs in their field than regular pharmacists. A registered pharmacist in Australia will know pretty much most common drugs inside out (doses, side effects, indications, contraindications, food/drug interactions etc) and know enough for the not so common drugs (that said, a pharmacist's knowledge of pharmacology tends to drop to embarrassing levels after a while out of school or if they don't keep up on their knowledge actively). I haven't done my pharmacy internship yet I can recognise most drugs available in the market and know at least their uses and side effects, so a practising pharmacist will know a lot, a lot more.

Pharmacists are heavily involved in primary health care and can handle most minor ailments. For common problems like colds, allergies, rashes and vaginal candidiasis, pharmacists are trained to recognise symptoms and recommend treatments or refer to a doctor if severe enough. While pharmacists know the fundamentals of diseases, they're not experts. The experts in diagnostics and diseases are the doctors.

NB: The above pertains to community/retail pharmacists only, not hospital pharmacists.

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Pharmacy assistants or dispensing technicians here do dispensing (i.e. grabbing stock, processing in computer, labelling) but have to allow the pharmacist to check the final product. They do other stuff too but my pharmacy law is foggy so I'm not sure what else they are legally allowed to do. This allows pharmacists more time to take better history and give better counselling, at least that's the theory. I guess it's different here... pharmacists definitely have far superior clinical knowledge than the assistants.
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jul 18 2013, 02:55 AM)
Hi Farmer_C & zstan,

Thanks for helpful answers and explanations. Just out of curiosity, have you ever produced Heroin No.4 or any other restricted drugs in your university lab? Is Heroin-assisted treatment allowed in Malaysia? icon_question.gif

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No to the first part. However, in the lab we do use some of these restricted drugs like cocaine or cannabis-like drugs on tissue or animals. I've not heard of treatments with heroin but treatment with medical marijuana/cannabis exists. Cocaine used to be for pain relief as well.
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I also look at the anti-remodelling effects of the novel drugs which are as important as reducing cell death from the initial infarct in terms of improving patient outcomes and survival.

I think heart failures are all treated similarly. Patients are put on drugs like beta-blockers, ACE inhibitors and diuretics/aldosterone receptor blockers. On the surface, these are all drugs for someone with hypertension but in fact, they are mostly anti-remodelling agents (diuretics are for symptom relief by removing excess fluid from your lungs and tissue). I suppose if the arrhythmia caused the heart failure, the patient would be on anti-arrhythmic and heart failure medications.

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QUOTE(xVentrusx @ Sep 5 2013, 05:52 PM)
Hello. New to this thread. Not a pharmacist yet and not even sitting for A level but just wanna ask since nowadays the school i am in teaches the science stream subjects such as Biology, Chemistry and Physics in Bahasa Melayu. Will this effect my studies on becoming a pharmacist if i choose to pursue this career overseas like in the UK where it'll be all english? Will i still get to pursue this career if i got a minimum of A on chemistry while B in biology and C in Physics in my A levels? Sorry for asking too many questions. I'm trying to decide wether to continue studying in science stream to become a pharmacist or pursue other careers smile.gif . Thanks in advance
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To answer the first part, it should be fine. I came from an era where everything except English was taught in BM. You may struggle initially but it shouldn't take you longer than a few months to adapt. I did chemistry and physics in English for my Year 12 (pre-U) and biology units in my first year of university in English.

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