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post Sep 25 2012, 01:52 AM, updated 13y ago

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Here's your opportunity to vote hopefully regardless of your club allegiance.

Bearing in mind the individual honours or awards garnered or won are based on

1. Ballon D'Or judges
2. Football Writers Association (FWA Footballer of the Year title)
3. Professional Footballers Association ( PFA Players' Player of the Year Title)
4. Fans' Player of the Year Title
5. Football Association (FA England Player of the Year Title)

Lets list them and their titles

1. Steven Gerrard

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2. Frank Lampard

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3. Scott Parker

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4. Paul Scholes

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5. David Beckham

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6. Owen Hargreaves

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Remember this is a poll only!
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:00 AM

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it always scholes
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(zomgser @ Sep 25 2012, 02:00 AM)
it always scholes
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Why?

Did Scholes fit any of the following criteria

1. Ballon D'Or judges
2. Football Writers Association (FWA Footballer of the Year title)
3. Professional Footballers Association ( PFA Players' Player of the Year Title)
4. Fans' Player of the Year Title
5. Football Association (FA England Player of the Year Title)

Remember the Football Writers, Fellow Footballers (his peers), Fans or Football cognoscenti voted judiciouly or with diligence.

Did Scholes win any of the above? As a voting member here why did you vote him?
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:10 AM

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its gerrard clearly........

the like of scholes, lamps, giggs and becks play in a very good team. that win titles after title.

but gerrard, not the case.

single handedly carried liverpool through tough situation.

when 99% of the things are goin against us. he's the 1% of white light hat the supporters can look to.
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post Sep 25 2012, 03:22 AM

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it's between Gerrard and Scholes.

As someone mentioned, Gerrard had to carry the team most of the time and he had the uncanny ability to win games on his own. A true game winner.

As for Scholes, he is the as professional as anyone can get. On the pitch he's everywhere, off the pitch you can't find him lol. Great respect for him even though I don't really like clubs that control referees.
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post Sep 25 2012, 03:24 AM

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Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard.

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post Sep 25 2012, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Sep 25 2012, 02:56 AM)
its gerrard clearly........

the like of scholes, lamps, giggs and becks play in a very good team. that win titles after title.

but gerrard, not the case.

single handedly carried liverpool through tough situation.

when 99% of the things are goin against us. he's the 1% of white light hat the supporters can look to.
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Harpo is my choice. He is MU's Yaya. One would never know how good he would be if he had been able to stay off from being treated on MU medical treatment table.

He is the sole reason why MU beat Chelsea for the CL title.
Without him MU was given a masterclass spanking by Barcelona both times!


Prior to Chelsea CL success this past season, I would rate Gerrard ahead of Lampard.
Gerrard and Lampard are WC players and have been recognized by their peers (fellow Professional footballers) and football cognoscenti (including Professional Football writers) and genuine football fans (not just MU fans or plastic fans).

SGE gave Scholes opportunity to shine at the 2002 WC. Together with Beckham they bungled it and was responsible for England's exit. Most of us were there and we saw how poor England was especially Scholes who looked like a journeyman without MU's greats.

Gerrard and Lampard are the quintessential English players with grit, determination, athletic ability, skills and football nous. As midfielders, both of them are prolific goal scorers and can score when the rest of the team needs a spark plug to fire them up.

Scholes is not renowned for his athletic ability, pace or dribbling skills or defending. Against lowly opponents Scholes look good with his passes. His passes gets picked off easily by WC opponents. Do you remember why he left his stud prints on Zabaleta?

Anyways Gerrard and Lampard rightfully displaced Scholes (in his prime & before his excuses- vision problem etc..) as England's central mifielder.

Right now Lampard is.

That's why officially he is the 'Best English Midfielder of the decade'

Of course members get to voice their votes here. biggrin.gif

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Can see many MANU fans here...

but only one player with this title :

Premier League : Player of the Decade, (2000–2009) according to official statistics[18]

So my vote goes to him. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 09:51 AM

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My vote goes to him
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btw it's alarming how academies in england fail to address the need of a modern type of midfielder that can dictate the flow of the game and offers creativity in the middle of the park.the likes of Xabi Alonso,Modric,etc

it's all runners(#8),the type of new "lampards" and "gerrards",while there's lack of creator(#10) or destroyer(#4) that is produced.Livermore, McEacheran, Shelvey, Henderson, etc. sure there's rodwell and wilshere,but only these two?

by comparison,Japan( jepun lagi....) has polished many footballer that can adapt to todays's game.there's Kagawa Shinji,for one, but there's also the likes of kiyotake,Takagi,Usami, higashi,etc. even now the likes of Honda and Hasebe(still in mid 20s) could still played at top level for the next 3,4 years

the FA need to do something about it. hire a german/dutch to fill the role as director of technical committe,perhaps?
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Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard are equally good actually, different playing style but backbone for their team for more than 10 years
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post Sep 25 2012, 11:26 AM

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Scott Parker and Owen Hagreaves doesn't deserves to be on this poll
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post Sep 25 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(VoiVod @ Sep 25 2012, 09:51 AM)
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My vote goes to him
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Let me try to dispel your illusion.
First of all did Scholes fit into any of the 5 criteria I listed. Correct me if I'm wrong he didn't.

Lamps OTOH did, that's why he is the 'Best English Midfielder of the Decade' and of this generation.
The Greatest Manager (Mourinho) , in the world currently, hailed Lamps as 'the best player in the world'
Fergie (the Greatest MU Manager of all time @ OT ) affirms that Lamp 'is an EXCEPTIONAL player – a huge asset to Chelsea, You pay attention to players who can get goals from midfield and he's been averaging 20 a season.You don't see him getting into stupid tackles..'

Did Mourihno or Fergie ever states that Scholes was?


Let's get to the nub of the matter. Why did Pep Guardiola singled out ' Manchester United's Paul Scholes as the best midfielder of his generation'? Xavi & Iniesta echoed that.
However lest you forget this was to the run up of the CL final. As a football cognoscenti (not me only) suggested that Barca was drool.gif at the prospect and wants Scholes to marshal MU's midfield. Pep knew that Scholes is no Roy Keane.
This is Spanish Art of Gamesmanship. So please don't quote that to buttress your claim especiallt that of Fab et al.

Likewise don't believe French satire (the wits of Vieira, Henry and Zidane)

Closer to home Mancini practice a bit of Italian 'Charm'. To wit ' MU is the favourite to win the title' on the eve of the last Derby @ Etihad. Where true to form City gave MU a masterclass spanking. Scholes & Co were like human traffic cones. Not a single assist or goal scoring opportunity! The score flatters MU poor and pathetic performance.


You see Fergie may be the Master of the Dark Arts but others can practice white magic FYI. wink.gif

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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 11:43 AM)
Let me try to dispel your illusion.
First of all did Scholes fit into any of the 5 criteria I listed. Correct me if I'm wrong he didn't.

Lamps OTOH did, that's why he is the 'Best English Midfielder of the Decade' and of this generation.
The Greatest Manager (Mourinho) , in the world currently, hailed Lamps as 'the best player in the world'
Fergie (the Greatest  MU Manager of all time @ OT ) affirms that Lamp 'is an EXCEPTIONAL player – a huge asset to Chelsea, You pay attention to players who can get goals from midfield and he's been averaging 20 a season.You don't see him getting into stupid tackles..'

Did Mourihno or Fergie ever states that Scholes was?
Let's get to the nub of the matter. Why did Pep Guardiola singled out ' Manchester United's Paul Scholes as the best midfielder of his generation'? Xavi & Iniesta echoed that.
However lest you forget this was to the run up of  the CL final. As a football cognoscenti (not me only) suggested that Barca was drool.gif  at the prospect and wants  Scholes to marshal  MU's midfield. Pep knew that Scholes is no Roy Keane.
This is  Spanish Art of Gamesmanship. So please don't quote that to buttress your claim especiallt that of Fab et al.

Likewise don't believe French satire (the wits of Vieira, Henry and Zidane)

Closer to home Mancini practice a bit of Italian 'Charm'. To wit ' MU is the favourite to win the title' on the eve of the last Derby @ Etihad. Where true to form City gave MU a masterclass spanking. Scholes & Co were like human traffic cones. Not a single assist or goal scoring opportunity! The score flatters MU poor and pathetic performance.
You see Fergie may be the Master of the Dark Arts but others can practice white magic FYI.  wink.gif
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Why the fark you put Scholes name as one of the choices?
"It's only a poll" as you put it.
It is my vote, my choice, end of story.



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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 11:43 AM)
Let me try to dispel your illusion.
First of all did Scholes fit into any of the 5 criteria I listed. Correct me if I'm wrong he didn't.

Lamps OTOH did, that's why he is the 'Best English Midfielder of the Decade' and of this generation.
The Greatest Manager (Mourinho) , in the world currently, hailed Lamps as 'the best player in the world'
Fergie (the Greatest  MU Manager of all time @ OT ) affirms that Lamp 'is an EXCEPTIONAL player – a huge asset to Chelsea, You pay attention to players who can get goals from midfield and he's been averaging 20 a season.You don't see him getting into stupid tackles..'

Did Mourihno or Fergie ever states that Scholes was?
Let's get to the nub of the matter. Why did Pep Guardiola singled out ' Manchester United's Paul Scholes as the best midfielder of his generation'? Xavi & Iniesta echoed that.
However lest you forget this was to the run up of  the CL final. As a football cognoscenti (not me only) suggested that Barca was drool.gif  at the prospect and wants  Scholes to marshal  MU's midfield. Pep knew that Scholes is no Roy Keane.
This is  Spanish Art of Gamesmanship. So please don't quote that to buttress your claim especiallt that of Fab et al.

Likewise don't believe French satire (the wits of Vieira, Henry and Zidane)

Closer to home Mancini practice a bit of Italian 'Charm'. To wit ' MU is the favourite to win the title' on the eve of the last Derby @ Etihad. Where true to form City gave MU a masterclass spanking. Scholes & Co were like human traffic cones. Not a single assist or goal scoring opportunity! The score flatters MU poor and pathetic performance.
You see Fergie may be the Master of the Dark Arts but others can practice white magic FYI.  wink.gif
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i don't get you... you are trying to create a poll yet enforce others onto your choice of best midfielder by having those "5 criterias"... what is the point then?

being the best midfielder does not mean you are a top scoring midfielder or highest assist midfielder... there are also other stuffs that constitute to being a great midfielder... heck, how can you even assist all the time when you are dictating the run of play from your own half? duh!

also lampard may have been only doing it for the last 12 years of so, but scholes have been doing that for the last 20 years! changing his style of play from getting to age yet to prove still effective is stuff of legends! it remains to be seen what can lampard do when he reaches 35 or heck 38?

i appreciate that your love for lamps but please don't belittle others by calling their loved as illusion!
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what a misleading title.... THIS GENERATION MIDFIELDER.... Most of them will likely retire in the next few years....

i thought it was gonna be Youth Midfielder from England.... zzzzz
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 08:02 AM)
Harpo is my choice. He is MU's Yaya. One would never know how good he would be  if he had been able to stay off from being treated on MU medical treatment table.

He is the sole reason why MU beat Chelsea for the CL title.
Without him MU was given a masterclass spanking by Barcelona both times!
Prior to Chelsea CL success this past season, I would rate Gerrard ahead of Lampard.
Gerrard and Lampard are WC players and have been recognized by their peers (fellow Professional footballers) and football cognoscenti (including Professional Football writers) and genuine football fans (not just MU fans or plastic fans).

SGE gave Scholes opportunity to shine at the 2002 WC. Together with Beckham they bungled it and was responsible for England's exit. Most of us were there and we saw how poor England was especially Scholes who looked like a journeyman without MU's greats.

Gerrard and Lampard are the quintessential English players with grit, determination, athletic ability, skills and football nous. As midfielders, both of them are prolific goal scorers and  can score when the rest of the team needs a spark plug to fire them up.

Scholes  is not renowned for his athletic ability, pace or dribbling skills or defending. Against  lowly opponents Scholes look good with his passes. His passes gets picked off easily by WC opponents. Do you remember why he left his stud prints on Zabaleta?

Anyways Gerrard and Lampard  rightfully displaced Scholes (in his prime & before his excuses- vision problem etc..)  as England's central mifielder.

Right now Lampard is.

That's why officially he is the 'Best English Midfielder of the decade'

Of course members get to voice their votes here.  biggrin.gif
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You mean when SGE played him on the left? laugh.gif
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haha TS want us to vote his/her choice.
btw Scott Parker get my vote, true traditional english midfielder.
He should wear the england armband haha

hard to choose because different type of midfielders listed there.
if the best midfielder = whose got more awardS, then this thread should be close by now.
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jack wilshere...by a mile..hehe
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QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Sep 25 2012, 02:56 AM)
its gerrard clearly........

the like of scholes, lamps, giggs and becks play in a very good team. that win titles after title.

but gerrard, not the case.

single handedly carried liverpool through tough situation.

when 99% of the things are goin against us. he's the 1% of white light hat the supporters can look to.
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True, but at the moment, you can see how Scholes carries the team laugh.gif
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scholes undoubtedly
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post Sep 25 2012, 12:17 PM

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top 2 would be lampard & scholes.
but the world greatest ever..easily zidane.
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I don't care about honors as that's very subjective. It's the overall play that matters.

Scholes definitely. Gerard a close 2nd behind.

Lampard for me can't dictate much of a game, his goal is more of long range (via deflection sometimes). But in terms of controlling the game he is not as good as Gerard nor Scholes. He always needed a DM to help him out during his prime (Makalele/Essien/Mikel). Hence he can't perform his best during England time as Gerard isn't an actual DM.

Gerard single handedly carried his team. And can sit back nor attack when needed. He is inspiring as a captain and leader of the team.

Scholes does not have the glam of the 2 former. But his passes have always been exquisite. From the way he play upfront during early 2000s and now the CM he is. He does nothing fancy, just occasionally some screamer. But the way he dictate the play is the best I ever see (rivalled by Xavi).
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Liverpool fans will vote for Gerrard, MU fans will vote for Scholes, Chelsea fans will vote for Lampard. I think all 3 of them is equally legend for their own club but never shine internationally.
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Either Scholes or Gerrard.
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Sep 25 2012, 12:18 PM)
Liverpool fans will vote for Gerrard, MU fans will vote for Scholes, Chelsea fans will vote for Lampard. I think all 3 of them is equally legend for their own club but never shine internationally.
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The whole English setup(national side) need to be shaken up. Take those Arsenal/ManUtd approach, and things might change. They're very lucky the next generation coming through are pretty good technically. Wilshere, Ox, Cleverley, Welbeck etc.. but they'll mess things up somehow.

And Stuart Pearce as their U21 manager? Please..
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Sep 25 2012, 12:02 PM)
You mean when SGE played him on the left? laugh.gif
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That was after the 2002 WC. Then SGE found out that Lampard and SGE were better offerings for the central midfield roles.

Why I included Scholes when clearly he did not fit any of the 5 criteria?
Because if I didn't there would be an uproar here in this FL by MU fans.

Nobody is questioning YOUR preferences or choice.

But If you were to quote that YOUR VOTE is based on what Zidane or Xavi et al (from the likes of tabloids, Sunday Mirror for one, journalist interviews) then don't you think its time for you to provide it with a bit of context?



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Haha. Tahap kebencian yang melampau. Troller tahap agung ni biggrin.gif

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how to vote..all three players are different type of players..hahaha
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All of us understand the definition of 'kiasu' vs 'grit and determination.'
Hear me out ;

A quintessential English player, just like a Canadian Ice Hockey Player, has genuine qualities of 'grit and detrmination'. Gerrard & Lampard reflect that.
I admire Gerrard especially for his true English spirit and the manner in which he bootstrapped Liverpool to an amazing CL title.

Likewise Lampard, an unassuming or unpretentious footballer off the field too, was the engine that drove Chelsea to many titles including the CL title this past season.


OTOH I was dismayed at the 'kiasu' behaviour of Scholes especially his performance against Zenit (down 2-0) and in the Wembley derby (down 1-0) with the whole football world watching.

Where is the English spirit of grit & determination to overcome the odds then. Instead of doing a Gerrard he decided to ' quit on his teammates' & walk alone from his team.


That's why I don't rate him as the best ENGLISH player at all.


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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 01:00 PM)
That was after the 2002 WC. Then SGE found out that Lampard and SGE were better offerings for the central midfield roles.

Why I included Scholes when clearly he did not fit any of the 5 criteria?
Because if I didn't there would be an uproar here in this FL by MU fans.You

Nobody is questioning YOUR  preferences or choice.

But If you were to quote that YOUR VOTE is  based on what Zidane or Xavi et al (from the likes of tabloids, Sunday Mirror for one,  journalist interviews)  then don't you think its time for you to provide it  with a bit of context?
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laugh.gif You already mentioned the awards as the milestone. It's not too hard to understand that. And also, when ppl choose Paul Scholes, you start bringing out all history book and highlighting his bad games. Frank Lampard doesn't have a bad game? You're funny dude.
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I am Man Utd Fan. But my votes go to Gerrard or Lampard:)

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i hate them English middfielder, my vote goes to null
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Sep 25 2012, 12:02 PM)
You mean when SGE played him on the left? laugh.gif
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Scholes turn his back on England with the excuse that he wants to spend more time with his family. Can't he fly them just like Rooney did?

We can understand about Tevez wanting to spent more time with his family (or read mistress). But isn't Scholes returning home almost every day in Greater Manchester.

Gerrard & Lampard are true loyal England servants.
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 01:49 PM)
Scholes turn his back on England with the excuse that he wants to spend more time with his family. Can't he fly them just like Rooney did?

We can understand about Tevez wanting to spent more time with his family (or read mistress). But isn't Scholes returning home almost every day in Greater Manchester.

Gerrard & Lampard are true loyal England servants.
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Friend, if Scholes is with England means more travelling which means less time at home. You understand?

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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 01:49 PM)
Scholes turn his back on England with the excuse that he wants to spend more time with his family. Can't he fly them just like Rooney did?

We can understand about Tevez wanting to spent more time with his family (or read mistress). But isn't Scholes returning home almost every day in Greater Manchester.

Gerrard & Lampard are true loyal England servants.
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So, are we talking about loyal servant or best midfielder now? laugh.gif
Guess you don't understand what does summer means for angmoh...

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ok lets see...

gerrard - 1 ucl title
lampard - 1ucl title
scholes - 2ucl title

so my choice is very obvious..
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 01:00 PM)
That was after the 2002 WC. Then SGE found out that Lampard and SGE were better offerings for the central midfield roles.

Why I included Scholes when clearly he did not fit any of the 5 criteria?
Because if I didn't there would be an uproar here in this FL by MU fans.


Nobody is questioning YOUR  preferences or choice.

But If you were to quote that YOUR VOTE is  based on what Zidane or Xavi et al (from the likes of tabloids, Sunday Mirror for one,  journalist interviews)  then don't you think its time for you to provide it  with a bit of context?
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if Scholes clearly did not fit any of your 5 criteria, then you deemed him as not qualified to be on this poll, why do you even bother to put him up on this list?
Uproar by MU fans is another context here, by starting this poll, you already know that it's going to cause some stir amongst the fans, be it Chealsea Fans, Liverpool fans, MU fans and others, because of indifferent opinion, so your argument that to include Scholes or not, is flawed from the beginning.

like you said, everybody are entitled to their opinion, in one of your previous posts, you try to dispel people's illusion? he actually post up some supporting text which was quoted by/from journalists/interviews which includes the likes of Zizu, Xavi and Co. and many many more, (of which are famous footballers and managers). If somebody casts their vote, and further posting supporting quotes is not right because he himself did not provide it with a bit of context is wrong? then I don't know who is the disillusioned.
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scholes - i'll vote for him as a manager. techinically gifted,lack personal tropies though
gerrard - i'll vote for him as a teammate. u would him as ur captain, someone u want at the dressing room, in a team..
lampard - i'll vote for him as a football fan. brillaint goal scorer as a midfielder. consistent and reliable
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All of us understand the definition of 'kiasu' vs 'grit and determination.'
Hear me out ;

A quintessential English player, just like a Canadian Ice Hockey Player, has genuine qualities of 'grit and detrmination'. Gerrard & Lampard reflect that.
I admire Gerrard especially for his true English spirit and the manner in which he bootstrapped Liverpool to an amazing CL title.

Likewise Lampard, an unassuming or unpretentious footballer off the field too, was the engine that drove Chelsea to many titles including the CL title this past season.
OTOH I was dismayed at the 'kiasu' behaviour of Scholes especially his performance against Zenit (down 2-0) and in the Wembley derby (down 1-0) with the whole football world watching.

Where is the English spirit of grit & determination to overcome the odds then. Instead of doing a Gerrard he decided to ' quit on his teammates' & walk alone from his team.
That's why I don't rate him as the best ENGLISH player at all.
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well, there is no doubt that Gerrard and Lampard have genuine qualities, in which they helped their team to amazing CL title and epl titles and CL title respectively.

You are saying as if Scholes did not even contribute a little to the team, well, everybody has their bad day in the office, so is Gerrard and Lampard.
In 2008, Paul Scholes' Champions League Semi-Final winner against Barcelona, a goal out of nothing and not just that, an absolutely beautiful goal right out of the top drawer at Nou Camp was the main reason why United were in the CL Final that season, if it's not because of his strike, United possibly couldn't be winning the CL that year.
If he is as the liability as you deemed, then I'm disillusioned.

If you say that I'm bias by quoting his semi final winner against Barcelona, then do you think you are also bias as well? why?
You only quote the best of Gerrad and Lampard, but on the other hand, you specially quoted Scholes "worst" performances. shakehead.gif
Why do you want to compare somebody "best" with the others "worst"? I can't brain it.
I remember Scholes scoring an equalizer and led united to win the game (if I'm not wrong, it should be against Villa or something) few seasons back.

Let's not going back too far, recent memory of ours still serve us very well, when United play Southampton at St. Mary, when United were trailing, who changed the game? it was Paul Scholes! Paul Scholes came on and brought composure, a consistency of passing and made the difference to the game when United were trailing by 2-1 away at St. Mary. Doesn't Scholes shown "grit and determination' to help the team to win the game? no? maybe you say no because he did not score in that game, that game was won by RVP's hattrick alone.
The 'kiasu' behaviour of Scholes dismayed you? oh ok great, because you only quote the "worse" or "worst" performance of his.





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QUOTE(tehoice @ Sep 25 2012, 02:28 PM)
like you said, everybody are entitled to their opinion, in one of your previous posts, you try to dispel people's illusion? he actually post up some supporting text which was quoted by/from journalists/interviews which includes the likes of Zizu, Xavi and Co. and many many more, (of which are famous footballers and managers). If somebody casts their vote, and further posting supporting quotes is not right because he himself did not provide it with a bit of context is wrong? then I don't know who is the disillusioned.
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Don't worry - Xavi, Zidane, Edgar Davids, Pep, Blanc, Fabregas, Veron, Strachan are all delusional for saying Scholes is the best english midfielder.

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Well I am suprised beckham have not got more votes... Look at the stats.

In terms of assist, scholes is way behind.

Gerrard, Lampard , Beckham has more.

In terms of pass completion, interception and etc, David beckham does it more.

Awards....Winner medals...

I would say very little between them.

But why not scholes...

In the time beckham, gerrard lampard scholes.

you put beckham on right. scholes had to go left.

Beckham was captain, even with scholes in the team.

Broke in england squad 23 same as scholes and gerrard. So Lampard is the slowest to break in.

If you go head to head, beckham beats them all.

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Sep 25 2012, 02:28 PM)
if Scholes clearly did not fit any of your 5 criteria, then you deemed him as not qualified to be on this poll, why do you even bother to put him up on this list?
Uproar by MU fans is another context here, by starting this poll, you already know that it's going to cause some stir amongst the fans, be it Chealsea Fans, Liverpool fans, MU fans and others, because of indifferent opinion, so your argument that to include Scholes or not, is flawed from the beginning.

like you said, everybody are entitled to their opinion, in one of your previous posts, you try to dispel people's illusion? he actually post up some supporting text which was quoted by/from journalists/interviews which includes the likes of Zizu, Xavi and Co. and many many more, (of which are famous footballers and managers). If somebody casts their vote, and further posting supporting quotes is not right because he himself did not provide it with a bit of context is wrong? then I don't know who is the disillusioned.
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Nicely said.

To TS, even if you leave out United players who you seem to really hate, since you are choosing the generation, why not choose only those that are still currently involved in the international competitions? Gerrard, Lampard, Parker?

The lack of personal awards doesn't mean that they are not good enough. Players like Matthew Le Tissier, Paul Ince, Paul Gascoigne etc etc don't have as much individual awards as Gerrard/Lampard/Beckham, so they should not be inside the list as well?

Players like Xavi previously mentioned that he looked up at Le Tissier as a kid. How about Liverpool legend John Barnes as well? The list goes on and on.

Also, regarding your THIS generation, past 10 years? 20? Be more specific.
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Well I am suprised beckham have not got more votes... Look at the stats.

In terms of assist, scholes is way behind.

Gerrard, Lampard , Beckham has more.

In terms of pass completion, interception and etc, David beckham does it more.

Awards....Winner medals...

I would say very little between them.

But why not scholes...

In the time beckham, gerrard lampard scholes.

you put beckham on right. scholes had to go left.

Beckham was captain, even with scholes in the team.

Broke in england squad  23 same as scholes and gerrard. So Lampard is the slowest to break in.

If you go head to head, beckham beats them all.
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im pretty sure Scholes > Beckham in terms of pass completion rate

& to compare one Right Winger vs one CM is like comparing myvi & vios laugh.gif

btw already knew this is going to be a stupid syok sendiri thread by ts

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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Sep 25 2012, 12:18 PM)
Liverpool fans will vote for Gerrard, MU fans will vote for Scholes, Chelsea fans will vote for Lampard. I think all 3 of them is equally legend for their own club but never shine internationally.
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Sep 25 2012, 12:18 PM)
Liverpool fans will vote for Gerrard, MU fans will vote for Scholes, Chelsea fans will vote for Lampard. I think all 3 of them is equally legend for their own club but never shine internationally.
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I vote beckham.
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 25 2012, 04:30 PM)
im pretty sure Scholes > Beckham in terms of pass completion rate

& to compare one Right Winger vs one CM is like comparing myvi & vios  laugh.gif

btw already knew this is going to be a stupid syok sendiri thread by ts
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Scholes has better completion rate because short possesion keeping past. Key , critrical passing beckham has way more hence more assist.


Added on September 25, 2012, 10:01 pm
QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 25 2012, 04:30 PM)
im pretty sure Scholes > Beckham in terms of pass completion rate

& to compare one Right Winger vs one CM is like comparing myvi & vios  laugh.gif

btw already knew this is going to be a stupid syok sendiri thread by ts
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Scholes has better completion rate because short possesion keeping past. Key , critrical passing beckham has way more hence more assist.

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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Sep 25 2012, 12:18 PM)
Liverpool fans will vote for Gerrard, MU fans will vote for Scholes, Chelsea fans will vote for Lampard. I think all 3 of them is equally legend for their own club but never shine internationally.
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and Arsenal fans will say Wilshere is the best.


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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Sep 25 2012, 12:18 PM)
Liverpool fans will vote for Gerrard, MU fans will vote for Scholes, Chelsea fans will vote for Lampard. I think all 3 of them is equally legend for their own club but never shine internationally.
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Oh trust me. I put null vote. I've been here for nearly 7 years, i know where this kinda thread would end up.
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all other midfielders r not comparable to him
he is the best midfielder forever until the world end
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QUOTE(ponomariov @ Sep 25 2012, 10:01 PM)
Scholes has better completion rate because short possesion keeping past. Key , critrical passing beckham has way more hence more assist.


Added on September 25, 2012, 10:01 pm
Scholes has better completion rate because short possesion keeping past. Key , critrical passing beckham has way more hence more assist.
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which is why u're wrong in the first place. doh.gif

u dont compare vidic vs evra

terry vs ashley cole

skrtel vs enrique

or

pepe vs marcelo

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& from what i read u mention just now was something like "..In terms of pass completion, interception and etc, David beckham does it more."


pass is a pass..short ..long..critical..still a pass.


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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Sep 25 2012, 12:18 PM)
Liverpool fans will vote for Gerrard, MU fans will vote for Scholes, Chelsea fans will vote for Lampard. I think all 3 of them is equally legend for their own club but never shine internationally.
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Nope. Football fans will always vote for captain marvel Stevie G

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It has to be Steven Gerrard if you ask me. Forget about what he's won, if it were down to only that, players like Matt Le Tissier, Paul Gascoigne would never receive any recognition.

Fact is that while he was in his prime, Gerrard single handedly won games for us, so much so that our opponents including one Alex Ferguson claimed that if you stop Steven Gerrard, you stop Liverpool. The opening header against Milan to spark our comeback, the goals against West Ham in the FA Cup final, the one against Olympiacos, Everton, there are just too many to mention. Martin Tyler at one point labeled him a "one-man-task force" and Pele, possibly the greatest ever footballer even exclaimed that Gerrard would make it into any Brazilian side, including the World Cup winning ones he was part off. It isn't therefore a surprise that Jose Mourinho has long tried to court him at first Chelsea, and then Real Madrid.

Stevie has many attributes, he can shoot, he can pass, he can cross, he has good pace and he can defend. He is extremely versatile and has played in every midfield position and as a backup striker in his professional career. He even slotted in at right back against AC Milan in Istanbul to take out the marauding Serginho, which is likely what led to Shebby declaring that his best position was at rightback.

Schools is a good professional. Like our Carra, he does his job, shuns the limelight and goes home to his family. He has a rocket of a right foot as well. The reason I've got for Gerrard ahead of him however is that I feel Stevie is the more compete players, given Scholes shortcomings defensively. Also, I think that while they were both in their prime, Liverpool functioned less effectively without Gerrard than Man Utd did without Scholes.
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You guys need to know one thing here... CBP made this poll just to jerk off anyone who voted for Scholes - his hatred for MU is universally known.

Whatever it is, there is no best English midfielder in this generation. Sure they performed exceptionally well with their clubs, but when it comes for England, they became 3rd class players. And this comes from an England fan myself.
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my vote go for scholes hes the reason i ma MU fans since i know football. having said that truely understand why stevie is your liv fan choice and lampard is chelsea fan choice as well as others. the poll going to end up which team has the most fans (participating in this poll) in the world.
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 25 2012, 10:24 PM)
which is why u're wrong in the first place. doh.gif

u dont compare vidic vs evra

terry vs ashley cole

skrtel vs enrique

or

pepe vs marcelo

biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

& from what i read u mention just now was something like "..In terms of pass completion, interception and etc, David beckham does it more."
pass is a pass..short ..long..critical..still a pass.
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i wonder why all centre backs and left backs...
why don't you put xavi ineista ?
why not fabregras ?
Why not ribery and bastian sw.


I can tell you why... coz in normal field game you won't see a left back reach right channel (unless they tactical switch sides) and left backs heading corners. they site behind and wait for counter.

A pass is not a goal.. a goal is a goal.. regardless.
A pass is not just a pass.. otherwise you won't understand why yaya toure left barcelona.
in midfield .. you shouldn't lose possesion.. if you do it too often.. you won't be playing the next game.
short passes are necessary.

short passes which change tempo of the game, switch sides, open up defences, can be counted. otherwise.. well you are almost there.

There is different between good and great..
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QUOTE(VoiVod @ Sep 25 2012, 03:04 PM)
Don't worry - Xavi, Zidane, Edgar Davids, Pep, Blanc, Fabregas, Veron, Strachan are all delusional for saying Scholes is the best english midfielder.

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Let me add and I suggest you read my previous posts about Pep Guardiola & his boys (Xavi & Iniesta) gamesmanship.
When Fergie does that, MU fans called it gamesmanship. I prefer Dark Arts wink.gif

Another favourite line by Scholes supporters

"Why then does Xavi & Iniesta chased after Scholes for his Shirt?"
After Barca gave MU a masterclass spanking in their last CL Final.

Individual Trophy?
You bet!

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In days of yore the Red Indians (Native Americans I mean)  go after their vanquished victims for their scalps to hang in their teppees  doh.gif



Look I don't HATE MU.
Why else would I rate Hargreaves very highly?


Just that Uncle LOVES to torment bullies.
Especially when they try to foist their BIG LIES on young fans here in this forum.
OK if I'm wrong, please correct or refute me with your substantiated facts or opinions. Fair?



Just ask yourselves can the

1. European Football Journalists
2. Professional Football Writers
3. Professional Football Players who are the peers of Scholes
4. Football Fans
5. FA

all be wrong about Scholes.

They (red propaganda machine) can lie to you but you can't lie to yourselves. doh.gif
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Why then does Xavi & Iniesta chased after Scholes for his Shirt?"
After Barca gave MU a masterclass spanking in their last CL Final.

Coz he going to retire...


Added on September 26, 2012, 10:30 amlampard is good.. and very good going forward.
Defensively he does close nuts. even ballack does it better.

I prefer kevin nolan for some reason. other lampard.

Gerrard is box to box.. most complete midfield player.
Has no real weakness. but no real technical strength either.
he does everything above average but nothing outstanding.
Lampard shoots better, scholes pass better, beckham cross better.

Scholes..lack of pace.. and temperamental. Good crunching tackles.
But height problem which relies on his partner to get high balls.
he doesn't take penalties

If you seen gazza at his prime, scholes would be nothing.

Owen.. well tenacious midfielder. but not long enough to be considered the best.

Scott Parker...Come on.. There is gareth barry remember.. or micheal carrick.

What this player does is rob the ball. scott parker is good at pressuring but carrick is the only england player who can intercept the ball at the moment.

Who should be in the list...

1. Joey Barton .. (yea crazy fellow)
Tenacious, holds the ball, good passer. but abit crazy
2. Gareth Barry
3. Carrick


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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 26 2012, 10:19 AM)
Let me add and I suggest you read my previous posts about Pep Guardiola & his boys (Xavi & Iniesta) gamesmanship.

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So what about the quotes by Zidane, Edgar Davids, Fabregas, Blanc, Mourinho, Strachan, Veron, Vieira, Henry, Brian Kidd, Lippi, Hoddle, Micah Richards, Venables, Shearer and countless others?
Those quotes are part of gamesmanship as well?
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 25 2012, 02:08 AM)
Why?

Did Scholes fit any of the following criteria

1. Ballon D'Or judges
2. Football Writers Association (FWA Footballer of the Year title)
3. Professional Footballers Association ( PFA Players' Player of the Year Title)
4. Fans' Player of the Year Title
5. Football Association (FA England Player of the Year Title)

Remember the Football Writers, Fellow Footballers (his peers), Fans or Football cognoscenti voted judiciouly or with diligence.

Did Scholes win any of the above? As a voting member here  why did you vote him?
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u're talking about performance on the pitch or winning awards? doh.gif
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 26 2012, 10:19 AM)


Players with lesser/no recognitions of the players like Le Tissier, Gazza were still playing when those in the list especially Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Becks were around. So shouldn't they be on the list as well?

Awards, awards, awards. How about the respect and recognition they gained from fellow professionals?

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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 26 2012, 10:19 AM)
Let me add and I suggest you read my previous posts about Pep Guardiola & his boys (Xavi & Iniesta) gamesmanship.
When Fergie does that,  MU fans called it gamesmanship. I prefer Dark Arts wink.gif

Another favourite line by Scholes supporters

"Why then does Xavi & Iniesta chased after Scholes for his Shirt?"
After Barca gave MU a  masterclass spanking in their last CL Final.

Individual Trophy?
You bet!
Look I don't HATE MU.
Why else would I rate Hargreaves very highly?
Just that Uncle  LOVES to torment bullies.
Especially when they try to foist their BIG LIES  on young fans  here in this forum.
OK if I'm wrong, please correct or refute me with your substantiated facts or opinions. Fair?
Just ask yourselves can the

1. European Football Journalists
2. Professional Football Writers
3. Professional Football Players who are the peers of Scholes
4. Football Fans
5. FA

all be wrong about Scholes.

They (red propaganda machine) can lie to you but you can't lie to yourselves.  doh.gif
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you logics are really twisted... hahaha...
you are someone whom really believes in your own world of twisted understandings... notworthy.gif
you really believed someone still wants to exchange shirts based on the loser's scalp logic...
you probably are someone who thinks football is a complex game where it could be judged by power points and there is a lot of propaganda and lies, deceit, back stabbing, ref biasing... but i think you are just lost in this beautiful game...
how else could you think of this twisted logics and yet thinking any other thinking apart from your own understanding as illusions? you probably are like the g that certainly is thinking the same wavelength... just trying to enforce your own beliefs onto others...
chill it bro... you want opinions from others, then open your mind and receive them...
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QUOTE(digitalz @ Sep 26 2012, 10:40 AM)
QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 26 2012, 10:19 AM)


Players with lesser/no recognitions of the players like Le Tissier, Gazza were still playing when those in the list especially Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Becks were around. So shouldn't they be on the list as well?

Awards, awards, awards. How about the respect and recognition they gained from fellow professionals?
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Those or merely opinion of players.
Who select these players.. Managers...
who votes for this players.. managers...

so awards are counted. personal opinion does help but no doesn't carry weight.


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QUOTE(angel-face @ Sep 26 2012, 10:34 AM)
u're talking about performance on the pitch or winning awards?  doh.gif
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Tell that to messi or ronaldo and give their awards to someone else.. in that case maradona and pele.


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QUOTE(VoiVod @ Sep 26 2012, 10:33 AM)
So what about the quotes by Zidane, Edgar Davids, Fabregas, Blanc, Mourinho, Strachan, Veron, Vieira, Henry, Brian Kidd, Lippi, Hoddle, Micah Richards, Venables, Shearer and countless others?
Those quotes are part of gamesmanship as well?
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All mentioned above is people which won awards.
Those who nvr win and came close to winning.. get good words lor.. just sympathy.
sorry dude...it the truth..

In kinder words.. it is just pat on the back for unsung heroes.. but they can be only one hero.. or the best. that why the best gets awards.

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QUOTE(ponomariov @ Sep 26 2012, 11:01 AM)
Not only the players, how about the recognitions from the managers as well? There are a lot of unsung heroes out there with no or less awards compared to some of the other players.

For example, Xavi, when everyone was thinking that he's going to get the Ballon d'Or, Messi got it instead. So where did the verdict came from?

Xavi contributed for the club & country, while Messi, for the club only. If a player with Messi's potential isn't in a club like Barca, would he get the recognition and award he deserved? That's why, the person he thanked first on stage was Xavi.

The only recognition they can get would be from the fans that appreciate what they do, the players & managers from their own team and opposition.

I'm not denying that awards are not important but then sometimes, questions are raised and asked not only by the fans, but by journalists, sportswriters around the world. Remember Sneijder when he was not among the top 3 in the world after helping Inter to win the CL and having a good all-round performance for the whole season?

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QUOTE(ponomariov @ Sep 26 2012, 09:21 AM)
i wonder why all centre backs and left backs...
why don't you put xavi ineista ?
why not fabregras ?
Why not ribery and bastian sw.
I can tell you why... coz in normal field game  you won't see a left back reach right channel (unless they tactical switch sides) and left backs heading corners. they site behind and wait for counter.

A pass is not a goal.. a goal is a goal.. regardless.
A pass is not just a pass.. otherwise you won't understand why yaya toure left barcelona.
in midfield .. you shouldn't lose possesion.. if you do it too often.. you won't be playing the next game.
short passes are necessary.

short passes which change tempo of the game, switch sides, open up defences, can be counted. otherwise.. well you are almost there.

There is different between good and great..

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coz u're comparing 2 different player.
Beckham is RM, Scholes is CM
totally 2 different type of players. with 2 different roles.

Beckham (RM): his job most of the time is to deliver the right ball from the right flank towards penalty box
Scholes (CM): his job most of the time is to dictate the pace of the game (which is sometimes require to do some short passes), open up game (switching channels) etc etc.

so yaaa..comparing a myvi and vios is a funny game biggrin.gif

and are u telling me scholes are only good in short passes.??

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Carrick is the best english midfielder. He just scored a goal last week. Was brought down but didnt whine. What a class act. Stupid pole laugh.gif
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Vote for Gerrard.

**Speaking as a LFC fan**
Why I voted for him
- Loyalty - hands down one of the best player around and not being tempt by money
- Ability to dictate the game - well he is somewhere off his prime but when Stevie was at his best, he single handedly carry LFC to many great moment
- Pass & Movement - on and off ball. Even when he is 12, the media already seen him as a rare gem in English football. He maybe be slower now but we can see him as the next Scholes who don't just depend on his speed and movement but positioning and football IQ

Gerrard > Scholes > Lampard anyday
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Despite TS's pledge to pick regardless of club allegiance, this thread is obviously bombarded with MU supporters. No doubt Scholes is an excellent midfielder and good professional, but Man Utd aren't missing him even when his not playing/ injured/ retired. I rate Lampard higher than him though the Chelsea man always perform better for his club than country.

As for Steven Gerrard:
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year (1): 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year (7): 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
Premier League Player of the Month Award (5): March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool Top Goalscorer (3): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
Ballon d'Or Bronze Award (1): 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match (1): 2005
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (3): 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Cup Final Man of the Match (1): 2006
Goal of the Season (1): 2006
England Player of the Year (1): 2007



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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Sep 26 2012, 03:33 PM)
Despite TS's pledge to pick regardless of club allegiance, this thread is obviously bombarded with MU supporters. No doubt Scholes is an excellent midfielder and good professional, but Man Utd aren't missing him even when his not playing/ injured/ retired. I rate Lampard higher than him though the Chelsea man always perform better for his club than country.

As for Steven Gerrard:
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year (1): 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year (7): 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
Premier League Player of the Month Award (5): March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool Top Goalscorer (3): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
Ballon d'Or Bronze Award (1): 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match (1): 2005
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (3): 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Cup Final Man of the Match (1): 2006
Goal of the Season (1): 2006
England Player of the Year (1): 2007
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You dont say. Whats obvious with this pole is that ts ask us to choose whose the best midfielder based on the personal achievement which is already been listed out by him. His point for this thread is basically to proof how undeserving united midfielders are based on his own judgement. And you even listed it again laugh.gif
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post Sep 26 2012, 03:56 PM

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LOL the most stupid thing for a United fans can do is just trying to reason with cbp, that people is THE HOLIEST FOOTBALL COGNOSCENTI *with approval of that people only lol* that you 'can't' beat laugh.gif

Dear Mod, please just close this thread.

I have respect for Scholesy, Gerrard, Beckham, and Lampard.
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QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Sep 25 2012, 02:56 AM)
its gerrard clearly........

the like of scholes, lamps, giggs and becks play in a very good team. that win titles after title.

but gerrard, not the case.

single handedly carried liverpool through tough situation.

when 99% of the things are goin against us. he's the 1% of white light hat the supporters can look to.
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In term of leadership Gerrard had the upper hand but overall Scholes still better midfielder ranging from vision, creativity, technical than the Liverpool captain.

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Poll should be titled 'Most Personal Award for English Midfielder'. Nuff said doh.gif
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post Sep 26 2012, 08:41 PM

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It should be gareth barry
he score one gola last night
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post Sep 26 2012, 11:47 PM

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Paul Scholes without doubt....

simply the best..
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QUOTE(digitalz @ Sep 26 2012, 11:21 AM)
Not only the players, how about the recognitions from the managers as well? There are a lot of unsung heroes out there with no or less awards compared to some of the other players.

For example, Xavi, when everyone was thinking that he's going to get the Ballon d'Or, Messi got it instead. So where did the verdict came from?

Xavi contributed for the club & country, while Messi, for the club only. If a player with Messi's potential isn't in a club like Barca, would he get the recognition and award he deserved? That's why, the person he thanked first on stage was Xavi.

The only recognition they can get would be from the fans that appreciate what they do, the players & managers from their own team and opposition.

I'm not denying that awards are not important but then sometimes, questions are raised and asked not only by the fans, but by journalists, sportswriters around the world. Remember Sneijder when he was not among the top 3 in the world after helping Inter to win the CL and having a good all-round performance for the whole season?
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Messi thx.. Xavi.. good words...etc.. stays the fact there can only be one..
Sneijder help Inter to CL is to show you there also can only be one...

So how hard issit for you to understand that those who don't get award get good words for pat on the back?
I believe you understand but it is not easy to swallow.. so i praise you for you effort.
That is the cold hard truth.

Fact remains 90% of awards which is prestige is vote by ppl who are important.

World player of the year, european player of the year - managers
and since they are in england those midfield players.. players are the voters.. so they are not winning those awards.. clearly there can only be one.
Now since when I said they are not good. No never.. they are god like in my minds.. regardless scholes, beckham, gerrard or lampard.
But still there can only be one.


Added on September 27, 2012, 8:01 pm
QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 26 2012, 12:57 PM)
coz u're comparing 2 different player.
Beckham is RM, Scholes is CM
totally 2 different type of players. with 2 different roles.

Beckham (RM): his job most of the time is to deliver the right ball from the right flank towards penalty box
Scholes (CM): his job most of the time is to dictate the pace of the game (which is sometimes require to do some short passes), open up game (switching channels) etc etc.

so yaaa..comparing a myvi and vios is a funny game  biggrin.gif

and are u telling me scholes are only good in short passes.??
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So two different type of players ? but gerrard is a box to box.. scholes is not.. lampard is attacking midfielder. so cannot be compared. scott parker sit behind and break up play.. so what are you comparing about?

and don't you see the word The Best English Midfielder.. not central ?






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you don't really have to reply to this thread
TS (CBP) just want to kutuk scholes, but i don't really read his 3-paragraph post anyway
not so long ago, he opened a thread in /k/ just to kutuk manutd players, especially rooney
pity him
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Instead of praising and supporting your club, one can do as much work as to opening a thread trying to put down another club and try to mask it with a stewpit pole laugh.gif and claim he dont hate the team at all.

And funny how some peeps would see that ts Is putting aside football rivalry and being fair and a nice chap in setting something that does not favour his team at all. Garath barrynya mana laugh.gif
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barton - parker - barry ... i like these guys ... can't get a more hardworking midfield ...

carrick - hargreaves - cleverly/wilshere ... passers ... england don't rate them ... spain can't get enough of them ...

scholes - lampard ... tip of diamond midfielders ... hollywood pass / longshot types ... likeable because they're flashy ...


QUOTE(ponomariov @ Sep 26 2012, 09:21 AM)
A pass is not a goal.. a goal is a goal.. regardless.
A pass is not just a pass.. otherwise you won't understand why yaya toure left barcelona.
in midfield .. you shouldn't lose possesion.. if you do it too often.. you won't be playing the next game.
short passes are necessary.

short passes which change tempo of the game, switch sides, open up defences, can be counted. otherwise.. well you are almost there.

There is different between good and great..
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TIL, busquet is one of the best midfielders of all time

edit: leon britton is a better midfielder than xavi last season ...

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QUOTE(ponomariov @ Sep 27 2012, 07:32 PM)
Messi thx.. Xavi.. good words...etc.. stays the fact there can only be one..
Sneijder help Inter to CL is to show you there also can only be one...

So how hard issit for you to understand that those who don't get award get good words for pat on the back?
I believe you understand but it is not easy to swallow.. so i praise you for you effort.
That is the cold hard truth.

Fact remains 90% of awards which is prestige is vote by ppl who are important.

World player of the year, european player of the year - managers
and since they are in england those midfield players.. players are the voters.. so they are not winning those awards.. clearly there can only be one.
Now since when I said they are not good. No never.. they are god like in my minds.. regardless scholes, beckham, gerrard or lampard.
But still there can only be one.


Added on September 27, 2012, 8:01 pm

So two different type of players ? but gerrard is a box to box.. scholes is not.. lampard is attacking midfielder. so cannot be compared. scott parker sit behind and break up play.. so what are you comparing about?

and don't you see the word The Best English Midfielder.. not central ?
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Once a while we get someone who 'cogitates, correlates & then only communicate'. That's the intent of this thread.
You are one of them.
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QUOTE(skystrike @ Sep 25 2012, 06:23 AM)
ok lets see...

gerrard - 1 ucl title
lampard - 1ucl title
scholes - 2ucl title

so my choice is very obvious..
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HaHa. Individual title!
Who're you kidding?
Roy Keane piggybacked or carried Scholes in UEFA/CL. That's why Keane won all the individual awards (PFA FWA titles). Roy Keane makes an ordinary Scholes looks good in runup to first CL title
Scholes was shocking without Keane he looks ordinary just like everyone pointed out during the World Cup. You probably too young too remember or just a newbie then.
Hargreaves was the other top Player in the other CL title. Owen staightjacketed Drogba and was the reason MU got to PK which was decided by Terry's PK.
Now Gerrard 'carried' Liverpool's team for the CL title
That's what outstanding or top individual player supposed to do. smile.gif

Gerrard is the one!
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Go tell them AH NE NE.
Rather than be your subtle self wink.gif
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Now that Becks & Scholes have retired.
Becks will be remembered as England's best football ambassador & wishing him the best as he continues on in the role.

Are they the best English Midfielder of this generation?

The Proof is in the individual titles awarded to them by their PEERS
i.e. FWA, PFA or UEFA Best Midfielder or Individual Footballer awards.

Its a FACT Scholes have not garnered any of them.

Becks on the other hand has. Beckham in his MU days, among the golden generation, was MU's best English midfielder.



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Qualitatively we have shown that SG & Lamps with their Individual Awards or Honours (PFA, FWA or UEFA etc) are the Best Midfielder of this generation.

Lets look at their QUANTS i.e.

Team Appearances Goals Ratio

Frank Lampard
@ Club
804 243 0.302
403 141 0.350 @ Chelsea
for England
95 28 0.295

Steven Gerrard
@ Club
629 159 0.253
for England
102 19 0.186

Conclusion: Lamps has the better stats.

Not to exclude Paul Scholes, let's see
@club

718 155 0.216
for England
66 14 0.212



Conclusion: Lamps in terms of (club or international) performances can be quantified as 40% (0.302/0.216 or 0.295/0.212) better that Scholes.



Summary: Qualitatively & Quantitatively, Lamps is the Best English Midfielder for the last 20 years.


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Scholes at his prime played at a more advanced role in the midfield. That's where he scored most of his goals.


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That's how you Cogitate, Correlate & then Communicate.

Instead of being mawkish  (club or tribe) or believe what THEY  (sycophants or MUddled-headed football writers)  wrote.

Especially echoing paltering tributes, Spanish trashtalk or gamesmanship (eve of Barca/MU clash) or French satire(Zidane's wit) or derisions!
PLease feel free to quote above - Uncle CBY


P.S. Is John O'Shea the Best Defender given that he has won PL, CL team titles?

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You know you are desperate when you reply to 2012's thread back..
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Every time a Footballer UNRETIRES & come back to claim a team medal UNDESERVEDLY
or even be a 'POSEUR' (wannabe the best English Midfielder) his RECORD should be updated.

In the case of Scholes (acclaimed by his acolytes & legion of red devils as the best MU midfielder) his record & case history should be scrutinized again.
The 'statute of limitations' is applicable here. No?


INDIVIDUAL HONOURS, TITLES & AWARDS, are given to footballers by their PEERS & by recognized Football Associations & Authorities.

To DENIGRATE the achievements of LAMPS (the Best ENGLISH Midfielder for the past 20 years)

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is a travesty of football decency and affront to English Football & a mockery to football cognoscenti here & elsewhere.

To leave the false claim (by MUppets, MUddled-headed Fans, sycophants & media whores) UNCHALLENGED is a DISGRACE. rolleyes.gif


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CBP, I'm sorry if ur family or maybe yourself was raped by a United fans, my sympathy then for you.

Btw, keep on trying. It's fun to have you around.

Cheers.

Btw if Busquets is an English I'm keen to know how would you do qualitative and quantitative analysis comparing him with SG and Lampard or whether you'll still put Lampard ahead for this best English midfielder nonsense.

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QUOTE(alowie @ May 25 2013, 05:58 PM)
CBP, I'm sorry if ur family or maybe yourself was raped by a United fans, my sympathy then for you.

Btw, keep on trying. It's fun to have you around.

Cheers.

Btw if Busquets is an English I'm keen to know how would you do qualitative and quantitative analysis comparing him with SG and Lampard for this best English midfielder nonsense.
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its even more fun to have u partner with CBP now.

lolwuttt laugh.gif laugh.gif
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I believe Luke Chadwick is good enough on that list.

/troll
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Beckham, Best MU English Midfielder, looks like he is retired for good from competitive football.

Albeit he is overhyped, NEVER OVERRATED IMO, he is a good LOYAL England servant

Wishing him the best as he continues to be a football ambassador.

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