You trust the 2 referrals ? Look at the referrals' history, one of them barely had any sales or posting.

After this fiasco, you might as well don't do it.

just checked his history - seems to be a rather consistent seller here .... could be real / could be otherwise

either way - best way is COD!

not that i m saying he is a possible conman, just that i dont take any risk.

suspicious though

lets see
http://store.apple.com/sg/browse/home/shop.../iphone/iphone5

price : SGD948

convert to RM : RM2370
https://www.google.com/search?q=SGD948+in+M...chrome&ie=UTF-8

selling price : RM2500

revenue : RM2500 - RM2370 = RM130

margin : RM130/RM2370 = 5%

NOTE : this is revenue, not profit

will u do a biz with profit <5%? do take note that this is a "1-time-sale" where the demand is highly driven by trend. once the trend ends (1st ip5 user in MY) the demand will drop as well

i know i wont

btw, if the seller sells at rm2750 for 16GB, many ifag will still rebut to buy the phone. so why 2.5k?

I am not talking about "account" as Lowyat.NET forumer account.

I am talking about banking details.

Example as below;

By this, our guidance is not their forum account but their banking account. Not a fail-proof, but definately something compared to current system which is none.


I know a popular feedback from admin/staff/mod that oh sorry actually Lowyat.NET is only forum and we don't really serious in dealing online etc so customer have to stand on their own or something like that, but I hope someone will really consider this method deeply before rejecting for the sake of many out there.

This post has been edited by Mr.Docter: Sep 25 2012, 12:05 PM

good suggestion Mr. docter but I do believe that this not a genuine case. this is just an extraordinary example of dumb people doing online transaction in the internet.

if people do little checking before deal, this all can be avoided.

does seller have been in lowyat long?
does seller have successful sales thread in garage sales?
does seller located in somewhere hard to reach?
does seller offer hard to resist deal?

BAM! conmen detected.

but NOO

erp derp take mah monneh!! I want iphone nao!!

The idea is good, but doesn't work in pm like what you mentioned just now, or they might give other bank account which is not barred previously.

If people really utilize all their usable brain cell, such cases didn't suppose to occur.

This is just a precaution step toward this kind of massive incident. We can blame and laugh all day toward their loss, but in the end those conman will back for more and we actually didn't do crap to stop the recurrence - effectively .

Requote from above:



Example for better understanding as below;


This post has been edited by Mr.Docter: Sep 25 2012, 12:41 PM

i also couldn undestand why some would part with so much money from a non reputed seller...first shahrilwan, then many many more, then this??

This post has been edited by loki: Sep 25 2012, 12:57 PM

I am not talking bout LYN account as well.

If I were to scam someone, and my bank account is blacklisted, I could just go to the bank, close the account, and reopen a new account.

I will have a new bank account number with the same name. If you were to google my name, you'd not find my bank account number and thus you'd trust me base on this system, which in the end, LYN would be put to blame for providing a fake / flawed assurance system.

is it even out in singapore yet? US launch date 12/9/2012, officially goes into US market on the 20th. how the fck is it possible that SG already got stock =.= aduh.. think logically man..

another one : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2523056



1. Deposit to preorder.
2. Full payment upon COD or post.

But this price is not cheap. Background check seems to be ...

This could be real but for the deposit and full payment upon post.

The seller is online now

seller mad already - prolly he is genuinely real.

This post has been edited by netken: Sep 25 2012, 03:01 PM

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Added on September 25, 2012, 3:03 pmIf real, show stocks picture with your name on it.

Things have not happened, he can say whatever he like. But when people kena cheated, he ran away.

* Sorry to the seller if he's genuine.

Better COD and see the goods, then only pay. Even deposit, people can earn from that.

This post has been edited by Savor_Savvy: Sep 25 2012, 03:04 PM

Yet funny those idiots keep on transferring the well-known flagged account.

This means that not ALL conman willing to open a new account and prefer to use the same, blacklisted account for over and over again and people keep on falling for that.

Of course, as I mention before that the idea of this system is not fool-proof, but its BETTER than our current system - which is NONE.

ahhh....what the hell. yeap, i'm also one of the 'idiot' on the buying list. damage has been done, no point in crying all the floor over it, though the damage might not be as much as others. to the other buyers, just swallow it cos the fact is clear - we're too greedy, and this should be the best lesson learnt for us all. there's no other choice, just go do police report and get over it (i wouldn't hope for the best). but it seems like this conman can simply do whatever they like, and the police can't do anything much to curb this con case. maybe better for people who really want to find this conman and take it into their own hand.

perhaps there's somebody out there can offer bounty hunting service? i wouldn't mind paying those bounty hunter as long as i can see this conman's face being whacked to pieces.

perhaps there should be a LYN's bounty hunter service.....lol.....i know i wouldn't mind making this bounty hunting my freelance.

This post has been edited by kepalaparut: Sep 25 2012, 04:29 PM

tuan kepalaparut - sorry to hear about your experience.

if you bank in the money - could you confirm the name and account number - or even email and mobile number.

so in future - this thread can be used as a reference in the event - any of the information is used again for con purpose.

that what i did when it 1st happen to me - i publish all details to prevent such matters happening again - provided ppl use the search function in LYF.

2 kupangs.

so these are the sequence of events, gonna be long but bear with it. i'm not ashamed to share it here publicly, so to serve as a valuable lesson to all of us. to the near-miss potential buyer, thank God you guys are lucky - but to some of us who oredi "terkena", just go make police report, get over it, and be extra cautious and careful in the near future - people are so desperate nowadays to just earn even your 1 cent.

1) Private message in LYN







2) SMS



3) WhatsApp





4) Image in the 1st whatsapp



5) M2U transaction description