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Boon3
post Oct 1 2012, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:32 AM)
U are like, hard to survive on pure  TA  standalone nowaday.

Somehow, need to know some FA to keep  up p with  basic survival.
If you want to survive and play this game long term, you need to develop an edge. wink.gif
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post Oct 1 2012, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:41 AM)
If you want to survive and play this game long term, you need to develop an edge. wink.gif
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TA, FA, SA and east wind. blush.gif

Scomi got east wind .

W is 100% up.

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Oct 1 2012, 10:46 AM
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post Oct 1 2012, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:25 AM)

i also feel i m quite long gas.. walao.. u r writting 5000words report to me ah? LOL!

Your kelapa la. Mana ada 5000 words? Report Big Sum ah?
Good things never short.
LOL! tongue.gif

anyway.. why do u want to look at 5years chart when u r trading only short term ?

speculators should look at shorter period right?  hmm.gif

Yes and No. tongue.gif
Speculators of course look at the shorter period.
That is correct but for Ann Joo, you need to understand what is driving the stock.
The stock is in the steel sector and steel sector business is not good until boom boom sound.
Some losing big money too.
Therefor, in my understanding the stock is driven by the long term outlook.
What does the long term outlook of the stock says?
What does the long term chart says of the stock?
If the long term chart is so bearish, whatever short term movements of the stock is not going to change much.
Not until the long term chart reverses.
Basically, you are betting against the main trend.
Shit, out of topic and I am not going to delete the above.
The 5 year chart posted has a strong meaning.
Look at any of the charts now. The 6 month, the one year, the 2 year. What are they saying?
They are saying Ann Joo is clearly rolling down hill.
Where to?
The 5 year chart shows the possibility of where to.

The reason i posted out the chart... and also.. the reason i posted plan.. i m too good imagination for the right side for the chart.. i learnt this.. without sure confirmation.. we should not enter on it.. at least have to touch 2sens higher of my Entry price.. i cannot wait for the fish come to me.. my patient is not enough on fishing.. this is what I learnt...
Everyone bets on the right side of the chart leh.
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For that 6 months chart in May of Ann Joo, you are betting ahead of an event.
You bet because you assumed a 2 kali bottom might happen.
Note this is a common trading strategy.
Remember someone posting about YTL Corp the other week?
He was betting that a 2 kali bottom could happen.
It's a justifiable bet and sometimes it will be rewarding.
The alternative is to bet when it happens.
This is the sort of kiasu method.
Look at the Ann Joo chart pattern again.
If the dua kali bottom would happen, what's the possible max result of such a trade?
Maybe a 1.92? Maybe more.
So if you enter at say 1.76, AFTER the confirmation, you could set your CL at 1.73 and still have a rewarding betting scenario.
If you goog about this, you can find debates on being early (your style here) versus being late (betting only after confirmation).
Lot's of pros and cons mentioned.

Waiting is a very important factor.
If you cannot wait, better don't play.
You wait to buy and you will wait to sell.
If you short cut this, you will short cut your profits.

Alamak! Let go so many words liao.
Someone will complain again. tongue.gif
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notworthy.gif although is long.. but I appreciate it very very much !

sigh.. i m slowly giving up on stock market already.. changing to FKLI.. need a lot of patients in waiting up and down..

I will follow the breakout strategy.. wait for the momentum.. go in shoot 1 2 rounds and go out.. but have to target certain price stocks only...

as I am still learning.. so I will post more charts.. and talk male chicken more... ask from the view that I feel uncertain..

@Sky gor,

How's ur view on FKLI today? bull or bear? hmm.gif

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post Oct 1 2012, 10:47 AM

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SkyGor: Scomi. This one had action B4 the news was out. The chart reflected the possibility of what might happen and one giveaway was the chart being very strong that one day when Ci swung badly to the red. Stocks showing strength in weak markets is one usable indicator.

Ah, I remember also, many in the other forum, was going for the bottom fishing play. The result now is interesting, ya.
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post Oct 1 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:25 AM)

i also feel i m quite long gas.. walao.. u r writting 5000words report to me ah? LOL!

Your kelapa la. Mana ada 5000 words? Report Big Sum ah?
Good things never short.
LOL! tongue.gif

anyway.. why do u want to look at 5years chart when u r trading only short term ?

speculators should look at shorter period right?  hmm.gif

Yes and No. tongue.gif
Speculators of course look at the shorter period.
That is correct but for Ann Joo, you need to understand what is driving the stock.
The stock is in the steel sector and steel sector business is not good until boom boom sound.
Some losing big money too.
Therefor, in my understanding the stock is driven by the long term outlook.
What does the long term outlook of the stock says?
What does the long term chart says of the stock?
If the long term chart is so bearish, whatever short term movements of the stock is not going to change much.
Not until the long term chart reverses.
Basically, you are betting against the main trend.
Shit, out of topic and I am not going to delete the above.
The 5 year chart posted has a strong meaning.
Look at any of the charts now. The 6 month, the one year, the 2 year. What are they saying?
They are saying Ann Joo is clearly rolling down hill.
Where to?
The 5 year chart shows the possibility of where to.

The reason i posted out the chart... and also.. the reason i posted plan.. i m too good imagination for the right side for the chart.. i learnt this.. without sure confirmation.. we should not enter on it.. at least have to touch 2sens higher of my Entry price.. i cannot wait for the fish come to me.. my patient is not enough on fishing.. this is what I learnt...
Everyone bets on the right side of the chart leh.
tongue.gif
For that 6 months chart in May of Ann Joo, you are betting ahead of an event.
You bet because you assumed a 2 kali bottom might happen.
Note this is a common trading strategy.
Remember someone posting about YTL Corp the other week?
He was betting that a 2 kali bottom could happen.
It's a justifiable bet and sometimes it will be rewarding.
The alternative is to bet when it happens.
This is the sort of kiasu method.
Look at the Ann Joo chart pattern again.
If the dua kali bottom would happen, what's the possible max result of such a trade?
Maybe a 1.92? Maybe more.
So if you enter at say 1.76, AFTER the confirmation, you could set your CL at 1.73 and still have a rewarding betting scenario.
If you goog about this, you can find debates on being early (your style here) versus being late (betting only after confirmation).
Lot's of pros and cons mentioned.

Waiting is a very important factor.
If you cannot wait, better don't play.
You wait to buy and you will wait to sell.
If you short cut this, you will short cut your profits.

Alamak! Let go so many words liao.
Someone will complain again. tongue.gif
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Good job, very informative , glad we have you , hard hitting and good reasoning... rclxms.gif

Btw, Boon, how to differentiate breakout vs technical correction.. icon_question.gif

This post has been edited by magika: Oct 1 2012, 10:53 AM
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post Oct 1 2012, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Oct 1 2012, 10:47 AM)
notworthy.gif  although is long.. but I appreciate it very very much !

sigh.. i m slowly giving up on stock market already.. changing to FKLI.. need a lot of patients in waiting up and down..

I will follow the breakout strategy.. wait for the momentum.. go in shoot 1 2 rounds and go out.. but have to target certain price stocks only...

as I am still learning.. so I will post more charts.. and talk male chicken more... ask from the view that I feel uncertain..

@Sky gor,

How's ur view on FKLI today? bull or bear?  hmm.gif
Long again?
sweat.gif

Chef, your method... what if you use this similar method but design your trading play on a longer time frame? Would it help? Review your trades. Trade the weekly charts or the monthly charts. Would it help?

Another thing. There is always a time for bottoms leh. Bottom fishing works extremely well, when the general market trend is weak.
Market today is 1635.
Market is still on the high side.
Why use bottom fish strategy now?
Broaden your horizon. smile.gif

Now is short gua. tongue.gif
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post Oct 1 2012, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Oct 1 2012, 10:48 AM)
Good job, very informative , glad we have you , hard hitting and good reasoning... rclxms.gif
Free male chicken talk ya.
Free stuff never good one.
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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Oct 1 2012, 10:47 AM)
notworthy.gif  although is long.. but I appreciate it very very much !

sigh.. i m slowly giving up on stock market already.. changing to FKLI.. need a lot of patients in waiting up and down..

I will follow the breakout strategy.. wait for the momentum.. go in shoot 1 2 rounds and go out.. but have to target certain price stocks only...

as I am still learning.. so I will post more charts.. and talk male chicken more... ask from the view that I feel uncertain..

@Sky gor,

How's ur view on FKLI today? bull or bear?  hmm.gif
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Future is quite risky after the budget hmm.gif

No more news flows temp yawn.gif

Whenever I post, see flood control message rclxub.gif

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Oct 1 2012, 10:58 AM
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post Oct 1 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Oct 1 2012, 10:48 AM)
Btw, Boon, how to differentiate breakout vs technical correction.. icon_question.gif
A breakout is included in a technical correction.
Correct ah? sweat.gif
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post Oct 1 2012, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:57 AM)
A breakout is included in a technical correction.
Correct ah?  sweat.gif
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Scomi is a breakout, right hmm.gif
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post Oct 1 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:57 AM)
A breakout is included in a technical correction.
Correct ah?  sweat.gif
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Not sure hmm.gif

So must hedge bets before news come out. Eg before budget buy after budget sell..

SYF on the wane..

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post Oct 1 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:55 AM)
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Future is quite risky after the budget hmm.gif

No more news flows temp yawn.gif

Whenever I post, see flood control message  rclxub.gif
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Haha... friend said FKLI is a f!!!ed up market. hit resistance/support will retrace back. Like a ping pong ball.
FCPO at least will trend...

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:53 AM)
Long again?
sweat.gif

Chef, your method... what if you use this similar method but design your trading play on a longer time frame? Would it help? Review your trades. Trade the weekly charts or the monthly charts. Would it help?

Another thing. There is always a time for bottoms leh. Bottom fishing works extremely well, when the general market trend is weak.
Market today is 1635.
Market is still on the high side.
Why use bottom fish strategy now?
Broaden your horizon. smile.gif

Now is short gua. tongue.gif
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I long and earn 2points today with 5mins chart.. lol...

yes you are right ! will learn and apply it on the right way.. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:55 AM)
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Future is quite risky after the budget hmm.gif

No more news flows temp yawn.gif

Whenever I post, see flood control message  rclxub.gif
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hmm.gif

so u r trading it based on news?
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post Oct 1 2012, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 1 2012, 11:00 AM)
Scomi is  a breakout, right  hmm.gif
Ya.
Different ball game now.
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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Oct 1 2012, 11:03 AM)
I long and earn 2points today with 5mins chart.. lol...

yes you are right ! will learn and apply it on the right way..  icon_rolleyes.gif
hmm.gif 

so u r trading it based on news?
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Why not, somehow funds needed to support Jib Gor budget last week hmm.gif
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QUOTE(magika @ Oct 1 2012, 11:01 AM)
Not sure  hmm.gif

So must hedge bets before news come out. Eg before budget buy after budget sell..

SYF on the wane.
In the process of a techincal rebound, if one is in the very short term time frame trades, the trader would see break outs happening all over the short time frames.

SYF. hehe.. don't want to pour cold water already. My view the other day stands.

What is more interesting after the new boss said those words, by late afternoon, the market showed what it thinks of it, ie talk wind. tongue.gif
Key word was 'intend'.
Want to marry, marry la. Don't tell the girl, I intend... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(magika @ Oct 1 2012, 11:01 AM)
Not sure  hmm.gif

So must hedge bets before news come out. Eg before budget buy after budget sell..

SYF on the wane..
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This co made very good profit this year. hmm.gif

Need to find out more.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 1 2012, 11:09 AM)
This co made very good profit this year. hmm.gif

Need to find out more.
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I saw.
The problem is this stock went nuts.
Right now, it is best to let the market settle and consolidate the news of the new shareholder.
And looking at the chart, I feel many are now caught holding the stock at much higher prices.
These holders will form a stale bull within the stock.
It's best to let these stale bulls clear their positions.
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post Oct 1 2012, 11:19 AM

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FKLI 5mins chart broke 1635 resistance...
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 1 2012, 11:15 AM)
I saw.
The problem is this stock went nuts.
Right now, it is best to let the market settle and consolidate the news of the new shareholder.
And looking at the chart, I feel many are now caught holding the stock at much higher prices.
These holders will form a stale bull within the stock.
It's best to let these stale bulls clear their positions.
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u are right , majority are traders in SYF.

But TA and FA combined would beat them laugh.gif


Added on October 1, 2012, 11:21 am
QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Oct 1 2012, 11:19 AM)
hmm.gif

FKLI 5mins chart broke 1635 resistance...
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Currently supported by Sin stocks, no further taxes.

If not CI could fall further.

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Oct 1 2012, 11:21 AM

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