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 Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0

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post Feb 14 2009, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(apeq @ Feb 14 2009, 12:53 AM)
anybody knows what reliable exhaust workshop that open on sunday in kL?other than waiheng la..
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I don't think Wai Heng is reliable smile.gif At least for me, I'll never return to any of their shops again. They are selling China made mufflers that doesn't last and telling us it's from Taiwan. That's already dishonesty and not only that, the price is not cheap either.
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post Feb 14 2009, 07:13 PM

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Bro, if you're staying in Ampang then I can recommend you one near the traffic police station. It's very near to LRT Ampang and their mufflers are of better quality, solid and priced cheaper compared to crap WAI HENG products.
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post Feb 15 2009, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(zeist @ Feb 14 2009, 09:54 PM)
I'm one of their satisfied customer. My setup is still good after 6 months. Muffler is still shining good like new.
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You should be thankful and feel lucky that you're one of the satisfied customer.
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post Feb 15 2009, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(squareballs @ Feb 15 2009, 01:18 AM)
I did my exhaust system at Kweng84 place last weekend. The power was good, and pick up improved

Just now went to check some sounds and found out air leaking out from the connector between the muffler and the piping, everything was done and i went home.

After dinner, on the way home on LDP, i realize lost of power, the engine is rougher that normal, rpm climb is slow and hard compared as before!

Any idea what is happening ?
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As I say, their mufflers and products are cheapskate from China (so called Taiwanese made). I had the same problem and my muffler leaked just after few weeks of usage and I can't be bothered to return for the 3rd time. They also killed my O2 sensor and I have to replace it for RM1000+ Their representative seller over here is also very irresponsible, saying and promising things but end up never doing.

I suggest you to find another shop to resolve the problem or if you think it's worth to give WAI HENG another chance then return and get it rectified. If they ask you to pay more to get this and that changed, you might as well forget it. Trust me that WAI HENG is a very terrible exhaust shop to go.
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post Feb 15 2009, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(squareballs @ Feb 15 2009, 01:40 AM)
My muffler and extractor from a friend, only center bullet from them..

2mw i'll try out my car and see if the problem still occurs.
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The thing that leaked was also my center bullet. I could never imagine it could leak only within weeks. Plus even if it's not the center bullet of yours which is having problems, it might be something else and this can potentially mean their workmanship sucks (which I have the same experience).


QUOTE(apeq @ Feb 15 2009, 01:41 AM)
agreed with u!~  rclxms.gif
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Thanks bro smile.gif I've been conned 2 times so I'll make sure I don't fall for the 3rd time. I'm pretty disappointed that after all those trust I've given to this person (product specialist), this is what I get in return.
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QUOTE(davvycroix @ Feb 15 2009, 02:07 AM)
i wanna ask...

do you guys know where / which exos speciallist can advise / edit our exos system?

for instants jfa.. but i dont have details about it..

im using neo :S


Added on February 15, 2009, 2:12 ambecause im using everco's long extended mendrel bend 2' extractor...

and im not so good in MID - END...

im testing that 2 inches and im not sure what i could do next :S
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Actually all exhaust shops are able to help you modify and do recommendations. However some of them are not qualified enough and unable to give you proper advice. For example, the recommendation did by WAI HENG to my ride has caused my top speed to drop to 170km/h (totally unacceptable for a 2.4 litre car). Just be careful and you don't want to screw up your ride smile.gif Keep the stock mufflers/CAT in case you need to replace it back.

Alternatively you can browse and google around to get some ideas. Also, there's a certain limit you can gain from the exhaust modification. If you're really interested in getting more power, why not consider stuffs like E-Manage, Unichip, lightened crank pulley, etc?



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QUOTE(davvycroix @ Feb 15 2009, 02:22 AM)
yes im interested in those stuff...
but i've to find the RIGHT settings on my ride 1st..

thre's a EXOS SYSTEM called FormWorks..

but den.. i rather try myself...

its dumb la.. but den..

hahaha
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It's actually alright and if you know what you're doing, you can ask them to do according to what you want instead of them recommending. As long as you have the $$$, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to help you out smile.gif Bigger piping size isn't necessarily better but you can give it a shot. Personally I'll try to stick with stock as much as possible or only a slight increase (I'm on auto transmission).

QUOTE(apeq @ Feb 15 2009, 02:25 AM)
mine even worst with their BS advice..140kmh only my topspeed!really pissed off dat time..

btw, JFA is one of the most famous exhaust shop in KL but their price  doh.gif
but still worth to compare with their workmanship..
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I'm sorry to hear that bro and looks like both of us got conned badly sad.gif Their muffler are of cheap quality so it doesn't give enough back pressure to obtain better top speed.
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post Feb 15 2009, 12:32 PM

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Please be careful while removing the CAT (if you intend to do so). Make sure they take extra precaution as the O2 sensor is very sensitive to air, water, your fingers, etc laugh.gif You don't want to kill it as it's very costly to replace.
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post Feb 16 2009, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(zeist @ Feb 15 2009, 07:04 PM)
According to kweng84, the muffler sound will last for 1 1/2 year. But currently the sound already lari a bit, but not much. During high rev the ganas sound is still there, uhh freaking chun. I know muffler won't last, other than this I think is ok.

And, my this kind of driving style, the setup is still good condition then is really good already ler.

I like this muffler and setup a lot. No regrets.

If I were to go JFA, I would need to pay double price for sure. Exhaust no need to go for chun one, because they won't last for long.

I think it really depends on which branch you go to, because the guy who did for me is a real nice chap. Before he weld the muffler, he ask me is this the position you want. And also advise me on going for a proper setup.

Some shops, you want this and that, they straight away weld for you without asking your opinion. You pick, they weld and pay,that's it. Those are fakap shops.

I paid RM600+ for midbox, piping and muffler, nice muffler and setup + ganas & bassy sound to my liking, where to find at this price? I love the muffler sound very much. hands.gif
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If we really believe what he says, we'll be dead. I don't trust him anymore for not honoring what he says and to me it's simple, if you're not honest while doing business, that's the end of it smile.gif We're talking about customer satisfaction, returning customers and trustworthiness. How can you say something that is made in China be made in Taiwan instead? (that's just one freaking example of lies and I have many more to tell).

I think both our requirements are different. You wanted an exhaust system that'll give you "ganas and bassy" sound the moment you start your engine but I wanted something that is as silent as possible. For "ganas and bassy" setup, I wouldn't know if RM600+ is worth it for your setup because it depends what mufflers/midbox you are using. Many of them would cost cheaper compared to a more silent setup. However despite paying a bomb for my exhaust modification at WAI HENG, the sound output from my exhaust is like a roaring tiger (now that really sucks).

You don't have to go JFA for good exhaust and there are many other capable shops around. The reason why I went to WAI HENG is because I trusted this dishonest chap at the first place which I shouldn't smile.gif
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QUOTE(aliftaufiq @ Feb 16 2009, 10:49 AM)
Clawhammer which branch did u went to??

I went to puchong branch before n not satisfy with their welding job...Hentam that welder kaw2 than the boss ask another welder to complete the job..Luckily after that no problems(rust,sound,performance loss)
But for sure i'm not going back there
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I went to Setapak and Puchong branch and the Setapak one was horrible. The workmanship and recommendation was totally unacceptable. My mid muffler leaked due to the quality of the part instead of the welding. Nevertheless, it's just a waste of time going to WAI HENG.
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post Feb 16 2009, 01:22 PM

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I wouldn't bet on WAI HENG anymore. The workmanship and people working there might be ok but their products are NOT OK smile.gif
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post Feb 17 2009, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(zeist @ Feb 16 2009, 11:42 PM)
The branch that you go to most probably some chao lala ah beng did for you. The guy who did for me is a real nice chap, humble guy named Ah Keong. This guy really know what he is doing. I like his character and attitude, not arrogant nor showing off. You should come down to Klang to meet this guy, if you want to give it a try.

Or, I let you sit in my car, bring you for a spin, let you hear the sound, then you decide from there.

I don't earn anything by recommending you to him, I'm not close to him, only met him twice. Just that I think this guy deserves to earn more.

Aiya, fakap people are everywhere, that's why sometimes we don't get something up to our expectation.

The chap is kweng84? I only trust the person who weld for me, kweng is only doing sales.  sweat.gif

Btw, how much did you pay for the setup? Which includes?

If I hantam 6500RPM on 1st and 2nd gear, the sound like Subaru ler.  tongue.gif
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I went to 2 WAI HENG's and the first one (Setapak XIN EXHAUST) was totally screwed because their recommendation was totally wrong. The setup was noisy and the car vibrating like mad when you step on the accelerator. The reason is because of the loud humming sound from the mid and rear muffler. After that I changed to a more silent setup in Puchong where I was made to pay RM550. They re-did everything from the front till the rear and the guy also seemed to know what he is doing. However on one fine day, I drove to Cameron Highlands only to know my top speed stays at 170km/h. After that, I went to Genting and came back with a damaged/leaked mid muffler which produces loud humming sound. Not long later, my O2 sensor was broken.

In total, I've spent RM1400+ on WAI HENG but now, I don't use anything from them at all. It's only about 2-3 months and I had everything including piping changed from another shop in Ampang. This new place that I go to have better quality mufflers and are more silent as well.

As I say, what we want is different and mine at 6,500rpm is only some buzzing sound smile.gif I want a setup that is as silent as possible.
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post Feb 17 2009, 09:34 AM

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Thanks for sharing shinjite and you have a good point there. The quality of the muffler you've purchased and price you paid for lasted you 2 years but what I got from WAI HENG was totally the opposite.

The sound gets noisier possibly because of the material inside the muffler which absorbs sound was worn off. Well, 2 years plus is pretty good already and even in my previous car, the local made muffler lasted me 2-3 years.
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post Feb 17 2009, 07:08 PM

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Another XIN Exhaust customer there? smile.gif Well, I guess we know what it means so another victim of WAI HENG/XIN Exhaust.
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post Feb 22 2009, 01:51 PM

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If you guys have done it in WAI HENG before then life goes on but for new buyers, my advice is to stay away from them. Kweng might talk like a pro but it isn't necessary true/correct. He told me my first setup would be silent but it sounded like a track car. After that I have to pay extra RM550 to get it fixed.

He also promised me things which he doesn't honour. His concern is only to sell and not to bother about after sales (in my case at least) smile.gif
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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Feb 22 2009, 03:31 PM)
oh..didnt you test it at the shop? if the sound was not to your liking you couldve changed it there and then right? btw,whats ur ride?
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I don't like but he has already fixed it so I had to pay. The 2nd time it was alright but I couldn't foresee it would leak so fast and kill my O2 sensor (somehow or rather).

QUOTE(shinjite @ Feb 22 2009, 04:34 PM)
IIANM, clawhammer drives a Mitsu Lancer GT?
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I'm not, can't afford that car for now yet sad.gif
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QUOTE(- JaY - @ Feb 25 2009, 03:28 PM)
I went to Wai Heng few months ago to do my exhaust, i was told that 2 center box + 2" piping would be a good setup and i was new that time, so i just ikut la. was told that the bullets are imported from Taiwan so its good. 2-4 months later, everytime when heavy rain, my car undercarriage vibrates and my exhaust tone changed when it rains. I went back to them and ask them check, their reply was "i found a small hole, but it shouldnt cause ur car to vibrate but i already weld it back, if problem still there, i cant help u, u need to go back honda". I was like "wth?, u think honda will layan me after i changed exhaust?"

So i thought ok la, settle, but the problem didnt end. then 6months from the day i installed those center boxes which is today, i went and check at other exhaust shop because i cant just act like nothing happened. The exhaust shop checked and confirmed 1 of the center bullet already kaput, can even see the burnt mark outside the box and the boss even confirmed that its locally made instead of their so called "imported quality".

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It looks like you're another victim of WAI HENG smile.gif The only solution is to get your exhaust re-done somewhere else and don't go back EVER!
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QUOTE(icyd @ Feb 28 2009, 07:10 PM)
one shop at ampang they prove that their stuff are stainless steel by using magnet.if it sticks,then it's fake stainless steel.and it doesn't stick when tested on their product.

what's the effect of using pressure generating mid box?more power or loose power?the pipe inside not completely hollow but got some gigi arranged in swirling position.just asking coz mine using this type of midbox
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These are our Malaysian exhaust shop technique to show customers their mufflers are stainless steel. Well, how many aren't stainless steel anyway (unless we're talking about real cheap ones) smile.gif It depends on your car and auto transmission normally need some back pressure. The mufflers would also have some fibre in them to reduce sound/vibration. For example the ones from Wai Heng is lousy because the weld of the muffler itself could leak and their fibre doesn't last. After a while you'll notice the sound gets louder.
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post Mar 7 2009, 08:46 PM

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I have K&N drop in on my car because those paper filter from Honda costs RM120 each sad.gif It doesn't give a lot of performance difference compared to stock.
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post Mar 9 2009, 01:07 AM

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Yes, I've tried it before (recommended by WAI HENG and so called "silencer"). Seriously, it's plain bullshit and doesn't reduce the sound. If you want it to be silent then get a proper muffler (with fiber) so that would help to absorb noise.

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