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 Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0

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post Nov 14 2011, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 14 2011, 10:36 PM)
Btw, can anyone tell me where i can order open pod's piping for satria neo campro? If you remember my previous post, i want to do something like in the 2nd pic smile.gif

Also, who can i find to make a heatshield ah?

Thanks a million guys smile.gif
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go kweng... show how u wan d piping been done..they got d experience n d price is amond d cheapest..
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post Nov 17 2011, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Nov 17 2011, 09:42 AM)
Guys,
If i remove my mid bullet,no top speed?
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like other said in 4g1 forum ler.. power increase everywhere but noise is a prob.
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post Dec 6 2011, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Andy0625 @ Dec 6 2011, 10:28 AM)
my daily ride is a waja 4g18, i changed the exhaust to wegow 4-2-1, wegow 2" piping with 2 bullet(similar or same as r3 piping) and top cat sflow muffler. the idle sound is bassy and not loud. is there any way I could reduce the bassy sound and make the muffler sound loud only when accelerate? just like those FGK muffler that is very silent when idle and loud when you accelerate hard?

also, i'm on auto transmission and seems my low end suffer abit, do you think it'll be good to change one of my bullet to a midbox to have more backpressure and at the same time reduce the exhaust note when idle?

please help.
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dat is y swirl bullet were created specially for person like u...... coz u havin too big pipin for daily use..

d cheapest way to reduce noise + increase exhaust gas velocity at low end is reduce d piping size..
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post Dec 6 2011, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(saru04 @ Dec 6 2011, 04:09 PM)
I'm driving a Gen 2 1.6 Campro IAFM engine. All stock parts but planning to start changing the exhaust system.

I need advice on what to change / buy.

and if possible recommend some shops for me to change it as I live in K.L area.

Thank you.
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find mfa at sales topic there. his 1 is quality stuff among no brand..
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post Dec 6 2011, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(saru04 @ Dec 6 2011, 05:18 PM)
oh, okay. thank you.

but apart from him, is there anyone else?

any other reccomendations?
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if u wan cheap n ok quality material, kweng. if u wan reasonable price n vry good material, mfa...

QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 6 2011, 07:15 PM)
Can also look for the pressure activate valve muffler like the one in the FD2R. Low end works as normal muffler, and when pressure is high it opens and works like straight through muffler.....
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this is good stuff drool.gif

QUOTE(Andy0625 @ Dec 6 2011, 08:08 PM)
That one is a silencer, he's referring to something like mugen twin loop(original).
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ab d flexi pipe, u need ask amir tengkorak..coz he tried b4..

ab mid box, m not sure.
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post Dec 7 2011, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(saru04 @ Dec 6 2011, 10:15 PM)
so in other words mfa quality is better compared to kweng?
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if u were talkin in material quality, yes, mfa stuff is more quality. if u were talkin cheap price, kweng stuff is darn cheap n workshop workmanship is good.

QUOTE(jason4883 @ Dec 7 2011, 07:39 AM)
Good sh*tty?
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lazatt maa...lol... heard people said no different in low end, but top end vry the lazat..
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post Dec 8 2011, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(saru04 @ Dec 7 2011, 11:14 AM)
omg. means i must choose between good workmanship and good quality?
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this is d onli 2 workshop i went b4, so m givin based on my experience..

QUOTE(wandzul @ Dec 8 2011, 12:52 PM)
guys, need professional opinion here..
my current exhaust setup is:
4-2-1 (wegow)
twist bullet right after the pipe joint (after flexipipe) =2.0" inlet/outlet
oval midbox after bullet =2.0" inlet/outlet
everco s-flow muffler = 2.0" inlet
1.6" piping

may i know what effect should i expect if i change to straight flow muffler?
or a long 4-1?
btw, car is 1.6l campro auto
current setup got nice pickup but top slightly suffers (quite heavy near 170kph onwards)
please advise, thanks
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where u did this setup? nice though... this is somekind of secret recipe? mayb u go bc to d tuner is better idea..
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(wandzul @ Dec 9 2011, 12:20 AM)
bro eventhough you limit your car at 190kmh, i'm sure that you can outrun cars anytime you want to.. because of your 'siput sedut' there tongue.gif
as for my NA car, AT some more, i need slightly higher top end to do so, i suppose..
various shops, and no its not secret recipe from any tuner or whatsoever, just a mix of some recommendations with own experience of trying few type of extractors with few configs of midsections.. sweat.gif
but i havent try straight flows yet (kinda noise/beng factor).. thats why im asking here first

btw, the 1.6" piping size is derived from r3 piping setup..
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haha... nice trial n error u got there... biggrin.gif

yess, d straight flow does gives some extra ummphh at higher rev, like for my 4g13, above 5k rpm..but m not sure d straight flow will gives u d effects u r lookin at..

ooo...1.6" seems abit conservatives... even mine puny 1.3liter sohc engine also 1.6".. i guess 1.7" is good for u witout losin low end.


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post Dec 9 2011, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(wandzul @ Dec 9 2011, 10:28 AM)
i already got good pick up (satisfy me enough for an AT NA), just need top end a little bit more that might be useful in the highways.
I think so too, but still i need to consider first whether to change back to 1.7" (stock size) or 1.8" (with relocate bullets & midbox further back a bit hoping to gain back pickup loss due to bigger piping).. I'm in dilemma now cry.gif
Please advice.

btw, i seldomly drive over 5k rpm (mostly till 4.5k rpm like that only) unless when i wanna get top speed.. will a straight flow muffler gives me advantage in this 4.5k rpm region? btw, campro redline is 6.5k rpm iinm, gotta check back..
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1.7" is nice, 1.8" is abit trial n error... i guess 1.7" 1st, if still doesnt feels d ummphh, then go for straight flow muffler (oval type body hav better sound muffling)

when u increase d size to 1.8" , theoritically, d resistance/ bottleneck will b all ur 2" muffler / midbox but still, d high rev shud improve more power.

QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 9 2011, 01:36 PM)
Extractors power:-

3k rpm below : good 4-2-1 > standard > good 4-1

3k rpm above : good 4-1 > good 4-2-1 > standard

Highest rpm (normally above 6.5k) : all the same


Added on December 9, 2011, 1:37 pmAm I right, Sifus and bros? Please correct me if I am wrong.
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ermm.. u shud google more bro... basically, they r 3 types of extractor

421, 41 short n 41 long.

d characteristics of d extractor is actually depends on d designer. but basic rules is dat, 41 short, suitable towndrive +- 3k rpm, 421 wider powerband improvement, 41 long goodin effects on high rev.

41 extractor, d powerband depends on d designer of d extractor...
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post Dec 10 2011, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 10 2011, 03:02 PM)
Need at least 1.5k idling and the engine is totally different oso~
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It depends on tuner experience. But rough guidance, any cam 2xx duration, wont b havin too much rough idle. My 27x cam, havin rough idle if its go below 600-700 rpm!
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post Dec 10 2011, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 10 2011, 03:39 PM)
Hmm... Can 4g15 SOHC change to DOHC without changing the carb into fuel injection?
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lets jus say cannot in malaysia.. 4g15 dohc exist but not here...
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post Dec 11 2011, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 11 2011, 10:44 AM)
I think quite accurate as my 2.0 turbo only using 2.5"


Added on December 11, 2011, 10:49 am
I think bro. low yat 82 can advise you better on this, but basically older days we call them 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full cams.
The higher the cam the rougher the idling but power gain is much better in the high end but poor in the lower end.
Lower cam have better idling and good lower end but high end gain is less, so you have to choose properly.

For mushroom type or open pod, best is couple with Cold Air Intake (CAI)
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lol... any cams wit 270+- duration or lower is OK..provided d lift is not to aggressive... works enginerrin / powerzone cam looks fine. jasma cam if u r on tight budget...

but d rough idle is vry adrenaline pumpin... huhu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4e5jYZDdM&feature=related

QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 11 2011, 01:56 PM)
i disagree with it...piping size doesnt always relate to CC...its more on the amount of power u have and where in the rev ranger is that power at.

take for example 1.6...campros and CPS goes up to 2.0 and the gain is pretty decent... even CPS stock piping size is 2.0....go bigger and kaput...

but when it comes to the 1.6 MIVECs and VTECs...although the 2" pipes is pretty decent for those engines but they benefit more with 2.3" especially since most of the peak power is at the higher end of the rev range and the bigger pipe size really benefits the higher rev range.

my 2.0 VTEC is running 2.5" pipes.. and its good...so good.. 4-1, 2.5" pipe, 1 midbox, no muffler.

i also have an exhaust cut out valve.. so when the valve closed the exhaust is forced from a 2.5" pipe into a 2.3" pipe and s-flow muffler.....i lose 15hp about 1.2kg torque. tested this on the dyno just yesterday

so max n/a is 2.0"??? big big no.
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agree... d pipe sizin is really depends on d engine characteristics n also d driver's handling d fuel pedal. there r act a bunch of software to calculate d piping size for certain rpm one's r aimin accordin to inlet valve, outlet, bore, stroke, cam duration n lift yadyadyadya..

but for rough guidance, 2.0" is still d magic number where alot tuner / guides use as threshold..lol

QUOTE(Andy0625 @ Dec 11 2011, 06:21 PM)
In this case, how do I improve back my low end? add mid box?

current set-up, 4-2-1 , 2 small bullet + s flow muffler. running on 2.0" piping.
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2 mufflin is enough at middle. 3 r too much...lol.. like i said, d cheapest way is change d piping size.. rm150+- settle..lol
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Dec 12 2011, 08:46 AM)
owner claimed with 2 mid box top speed 245km/h, with 3 mid box up to 265km/h  sweat.gif
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i wonder how he go through bumper.. hmm.gif

lol...taiko 3 bijik...act can jus replace d mid part wit larger diameter pipe size...lol... again, havin too large place will induce drone effects though...lol.
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Dec 12 2011, 09:27 AM)
larger pipe will be straight flow, this mid box is 2 way system..not sure how 2 way system mid box works though..

u can drop by at Exss Work workshop in Setapak for further info..
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its d same concept.. d important point in this system is 'significant' changes of size.

d larger d changes d better, some theory said for 4 cylinder engine d volume of d changes 50-60% of engine capacity is enough. some even goes to 2 times of engine capacity....
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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Dec 13 2011, 04:32 PM)
hmmm...
put 8 how? haha trololol
ok la so put 2 top speed nice?
sound also quite a bit right?
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lol... sure nice wit correct setup... but not sure 265 can achieve or not... laugh.gif if onli do exhaust can acheive daat speed is jus overrated...

some people call this as termination box.. all d box theoritically let d engine see this part as atmosphere...in other words, d total exhaust pipe length will b seen 'shorter'

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post Dec 14 2011, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Dec 14 2011, 01:04 AM)
dei..i'm not that gila mau 265..i mau 200 enough..190 pernah dapat..
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lol... i 160kmh also feel wanna die..felt d tyre like not stick to d road... u 190 takda feelin ke?
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QUOTE(ldhong @ Dec 14 2011, 09:23 AM)
Our DYMM King Amir's of course takda feeling.... He berani gila babeng and his car is 1.3 but his 1.3 modded one  flex.gif ...

Even my Neo 1.6 has tough time chasing him.....
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lol...i forgot he is King of all King. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Dec 15 2011, 08:20 AM)
huge difference ah between normal muffler and blocked muffler?
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Blocked mulffler doesn't contain fiber if not mistakrn.. most midbox in malaysia is wit alot hole. Blocked muffler cannot b found in here..
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Dec 15 2011, 09:52 AM)
Those mid box with raised holes have to be fitted the correct way, but what is blocked muffler?
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ya lo.. 1 way flow..

errmm...dunno call wat but upontheskyriver said its call blocked muffler., so i also use same words lo...lol.. actually its mid box will alot of plates inside to cancel out exhaust noise n tryin to maintain d exhaust velocity... david vizard had tried use these type of midbox for pressure wave tuning by lettin d engine sees this mid box as atmosphere + tuned collector's length..
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post Dec 16 2011, 08:59 AM

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ermm... jus for sharin onli.. so, dun expect too much from exhaust mod...d max it will gain is 5%,

TUNING ITEM EXPECTED POWER GAIN
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MILD ROAD/FAST ROAD CAM  4% TO 7%

ROAD/RALLY CAM  8% TO 12%

EXHAUST SYSTEM  0% TO 5%

AIR FILTER  NIL

CONE FILTER TYPE INDUCTION SYSTEM  0% TO 3%

FLOW BENCH DEVELOPED STANDARD VALVE HEAD - 2V HEADS  10% TO 15% (MORE ON EXCEPTIONAL ENGINES)

FLOW BENCH DEVELOPED BIG VALVE HEAD - 2V HEADS  20% TO 25% (MAYBE UP TO 35% ON EXCEPTIONAL ENGINES)

FLOW BENCH DEVELOPED STANDARD VALVE HEAD - 4V HEADS  10%

FLOW BENCH DEVELOPED BIG VALVE HEAD - 4V HEADS  20%

DCOEs REPLACING SINGLE CARB  10%

THROTTLE BODIES REPLACING PLENUM INJECTION  12% - 15% (up to 20% on modified engines)
source from pumaracing

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