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 Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0

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post Oct 25 2011, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Oct 25 2011, 02:25 PM)
caaaannn..wei apa lu dah bikin kat kereta? LCP sudah ah?
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sudah banyak bikin maa....lol.. LCP sudah masuk.. ok la... boleh compensate skit bcoz of d changing to 14" lmst sport rim..

QUOTE(upontheriversky @ Oct 25 2011, 02:39 PM)
if u after a wide powerband:
what about readjust collector length to tune at 4k - 4.5k rpm to raise the torque dip and adjust pipe size so it still maintain high flow velocity at 3k rpm?

if u after for best power:
tune length at 5k u will get high boost when u reach max torque, the dyno curve will form a steeper hill, have to change gear often to stay "tuned" but peak power is increased

small pipe needs throttle control for pickup, big pipe can floor the pedal for instant response

my humble opinion only hehe
i 2nd that, u are indeed a wise person to kitai back the exhaust guy hehe biggrin.gif
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wide powerband is my main aim now... coz when tested actual run, when enterin 4th gear at 4k rpm (3rd gear at 5.5k rpm), d accelaration is abit stagnant..

not sure d exhaust workshop able to do dat or not oo... coz change bullet location, n need add abit pipe back... hmm.gif hmm.gif dats y i thought easier jus change d whole piping to 1.6".. by changing it also, m gettin more hp for rpm more than 4.5k rpm..

IF all makes d 3k rpm really sucks, mayb i opt to change longer intake runner to tune it at 3k rpm.. hmm.gif

QUOTE(XionCity @ Oct 25 2011, 07:59 PM)
Guys...hope i change my bullet to 1.6'' according same diameter as piping...in n out...hope powerband will b bck....
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by changing d swirl type to normal bullet will do... for placement, can ask mfa... or any workshop dat know wat they doin..
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post Oct 26 2011, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Oct 25 2011, 10:31 PM)
i asked exhaust shop, they said is better to change the inlet n outlet to the same size as piping....for bullet i mean...
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m not sure...r u using s flow muffler?

theoritically, same sizin does mean reduction abit of cfm.. means this bullet will cause some back pressure... u may hav increase of low end pick up n suffer abit at higher rev...

see here, reduction around 100cfm for bullet... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=263014

anyway, this is theory..real life application, dunno... u may wan test it biggrin.gif
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post Oct 26 2011, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Oct 26 2011, 03:28 AM)
well, i m not expecting high rev....n i m not a speeder....
i juz nid low-end torque to accelerate during heavy load, climbing hill road, and overtake cars....i m not those who shoot up to vehicle max speed type..so, i guess low to mid-end torque is good enuf for daily use....

and yes, i m using 2'' s flow muffler....but should i increase the diameter?? my piping juz 1.6''
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increase wat size? lol.. i thought u ok wit good pick up..
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post Oct 30 2011, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Oct 27 2011, 03:35 PM)
muffler size....the rear muffler size...some1 call me change to 3.5''....i was soooo shocked for a N/A 1.6CC with 124HP only use 3.5'' muffler S flow....correct o nt? 1.6 piping to 3.5'' muffler O.O
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i guess dat guy was talkin ab d muffler outlet... if outlet 3.5", it gives u phycological effects... more louder means more power...llol....

QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Oct 28 2011, 09:53 AM)
Hmm..ok this one can link back to my flexi pipe/nenas story..
My current nenas actually 1.7 inch with 1.5 inch flange to mount the piping..
So the nenas itself from extractor welding point,goes smaller in diameter because of the 1.5 inch flange.
So that is where my exhaust system creates back pressure..
After the 1.5 inch flange,it is mounted to 1.7 inch piping,2 inches mid bullet,1.7 inch piping till rear 2 inches inlet straight flow muffler..
So..can u guys imagine my exhaust system? tongue.gif
rojak.com.my
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ur exhaust setup good d la.. can support till 110hp liao... if u wan more tuning.. play wit d bullet placement... biggrin.gif
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post Oct 31 2011, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Oct 31 2011, 08:46 AM)
Bila la mau reach 100hp..hahaha..never dyno before..
Bullet placement ah..i think the next thing to do is potong je the bullet..hahahaha
Yes agreed with u.the welding must be good also.cannot just tembak there to make it lekat..
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kanasai.. when wan dyno? go rs dynotune. after go sure happi. huhu.. d hp high high 1. hp at flywheel, much more valuable for tuning purpose.. biggrin.gif

upontheskyriver, wan go or not this saturday?
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post Oct 31 2011, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Oct 31 2011, 03:54 PM)
dei how much per session ah? i tatau this dyno2 thing..
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rm70... for carb if tune for better hp / torque , they charge another rm50..
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post Oct 31 2011, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Oct 31 2011, 04:25 PM)
the carb tuning is using what? got CO or they just main pusing je the A/F screw?
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wakaka... i guess got use d sensor. coz i see they do put 1 stuff at rear exhaust when dyno'n to test AFR
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Nov 1 2011, 10:54 AM)
Better power from carb, most of the time need to change to bigger needle, but depends on what type of carb also..... blush.gif
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aisan no hope wan...cnnot chnge...need asah >.<" but aisan is more than enough for puny engine like mine laaa.... =.=!

QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Nov 1 2011, 11:01 AM)
Wah! Weber......Depends on application also. Those days tested on Civic very powerful, but apply to Accord, not really that good... sad.gif Of course those Carb days....using down draft type.
We did try a 2nd Gen Honda Prelude with twin side draft Weber..... Can match BMW 323i pick up..... rclxms.gif
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lol... weber is power but EFI is more powa... its like carb wit brain.. cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 4 2011, 02:11 AM)
my current setup :
4-2-1 headers with catcon OEM - 1.6'' pipe - 1.6'' dual layer flexible pipe - 1.6'' pipe with sensor - 1.6''(inlet n outlet) straight flow high quality and performance stainless steel bullet - 1.6'' piping - 2'' (inlet n outlet) S-flow stainless steel muffler with 2'' exhaust tip....
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hows it after change to 1.6" bullet?
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post Nov 4 2011, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 4 2011, 11:22 AM)
better sound, better power....juz only my rear 2'' S-Flow muffler oso kosong ald....means rosak...nid change new 1 oso =.=''

anyway, is a good exhaust shop dat can help me on this alot, better than the other 2 that always con me...
this exhaust shop tell me can change wat n wat, cannot change wat n wat, wat size muz match, wat type....the other...juz fix without notice me and give me horrible prices...
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huhu.. kosong d? how long u use?



ya. need always go good exhaust dat is experience enough.. biggrin.gif

wat exhaust workshop is dat? good stuff must share..huhu..


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post Nov 4 2011, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 4 2011, 11:43 AM)
haha, i m from Alor Setar, Kedah....the exhaust shop from here too....

the muffler i changed in previous shop....i tot is good high quality type....this exhaust shops, clearly shows me the difference between cheap normal stainless steel muffler, and custom make high performance, high quality stainless steel muffler...
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Nov 4 2011, 01:53 PM)
Rear muffler once the damping material breaks away, usually fiber glass, the sound also different already, but I saw last time have one unit that can open up (using screw to secure) and replace the fiber glass......
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ooo.... if got good la... like motorbike.. if fiberglass keras/finish, can always open n fill new 1...
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 4 2011, 05:30 PM)
CS Bro....that's the exhaust shop name...


Added on November 4, 2011, 5:33 pm
where 2 get fiberglass?
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motorbike shop got...its for motor 2 lejang... watch can d..dun touch coz later ur hand starts itchy..lol... its fiber+glass..
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post Nov 7 2011, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 6 2011, 09:42 PM)
i got that pic from internet. Well, im sure it's somebody's car tongue.gif
Yeah, there's a heatshield there...but was wondering whether it'll be better to extend the air filter to the front of the battery...
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wat ur main concern?

generally , d longer d pipe, d more it is optimise for lower rpm...but higher rev can compensate usin larger size pipe,,...

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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 7 2011, 09:53 PM)
LOL sorry about the confusion. I apologise for not being clear. Pls find attached the picture of the air filter.

I think in the second part of your post, you seem to know what I'm talking about...yeah, the piping will be curved.
I just wonder if that hotbits setup or the 'extended to the side' setup will be better  hmm.gif

Anyone? Thx tongue.gif
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stayin away from heat source no matter wat will benefit.. imho, u can try insulate d whole air intake piping..
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Nov 8 2011, 07:41 AM)
Actually I prefer the first one. Yes, the further from heat is better, but we are talking about CAI while driving, therefore blocking the heated air from the radiator is the main thing that is why most covered air intake have their nozzle up front just under the bonnet, or near the headlights area.
The first pic clearly shows that the separation is done and cool air is directly from the front.

The second pic shows that the open pod is now a close pod similar like original...... blush.gif ........my 2 sens
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ooo... me prefer d 2nd 1...huhu.. plus it shud b insulate wit either reflective insulate wrap / much heavy duty insulations like thermal insulation air cond pipe ( laugh.gif )



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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Nov 8 2011, 08:47 AM)
Did you see the one sifu drex did with the open pod in the bumper......
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yup... haha. funny but awesome. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 8 2011, 12:57 PM)
id like to see that.. .link pls...
is this similar to the AEM CAI setup for Civics?
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u need to add him in facebook onli can see o... d filter not pointin to front, but rather pointin to ground..lol.. it placed in d bumper there
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 8 2011, 08:41 PM)
could always just copy the picture n host it up on imageshack or something tongue.gif
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apa la luuuu...

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=46476535
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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 8 2011, 10:20 PM)
hi thanks to your feedback. Much appreciated.
Also thanks to those who posted as well.
Yeah, u have a good point, the filter in the second pic seems confined.
But is it detrimental to the car performance if the air ram is curved here and there?  hmm.gif  or hard to prove also, right? can just speculate..
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y u said 2nd pic its confined? i thought all car hav a hole near d side of d headlamp. most people i saw always use CAI to guide air to d air filter..

curve or no curve no different la.. as long its mandrel / same diameter at curvy section... anyway, as mention b4 , generally d longer d pipe , d more it tune for lower rpm..

@madman,
dunno la. from d color of d filter, it mayb steel mesh / dry setup..lol...
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Nov 8 2011, 11:38 PM)
the filter does not indicate a wet/dry setup....this does..

user posted image

notice the sponge in the middle of the piping.... thats for wet setup...dry setup wont have it

*pic is from my friends car...
copyright poodah... i have the right to copy laugh.gif

thanks for the pic biggrin.gif
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ooo... i thought u were mentionin dry filter(no need reoil) / wet filter (need reoil) laugh.gif laugh.gif my bad...

waaa... like dat sponge also got aa.. 1st time see.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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