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post Sep 15 2012, 08:48 AM


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Hi, heard bout the nissan almera.

Anyone knows the perfomance?
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i now also looking on tis 2 cars, compare the spec in manual, vios is better due to new improvement on alloy rims but almera is using steel, dual airbag for vios but single for almera low spec ,and engine performance , vios produce slightly a bit more hp than almera, in term of design n looks, depend on individuals.

for me exterior, almera is nicer, but interior is ugly, vios is ugly but now getting use to it. hahaha

for price, i heard almera is slightly cheaper, and if compare both model in high spec, almera has more features like start engine button etc.

so far my area sarawak still doesnt have any roadshow for nissan, but if u wan a economy car, vios is good.
low maintenace cos a lot of spare parts, fuel consumption low.

almera claims that they can do 14.9km/L, if is true it show that almera has better fc than vios, but i think the differences is no too big, if both is manual.

resale value toyota better, juz almera is totally new and it look fresh and if u modify a bit look more nicer.
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post Sep 15 2012, 04:12 PM


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I believe new Vios will launch or come out quite soon, just wait and see. No point to buy Vios because later new model pop out, then the price will slash a few more.
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QUOTE(oec88 @ Sep 15 2012, 04:12 PM)
I believe new Vios will launch or come out quite soon, just wait and see. No point to buy Vios because later new model pop out, then the price will slash a few more.
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Where did u get this information? Reliable source? hmm.gif
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post Sep 15 2012, 04:21 PM


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QUOTE(ericpires @ Sep 15 2012, 04:15 PM)
Where did u get this information? Reliable source?  hmm.gif
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Common sense think about it, usually Japanese vehicle has 5 years life cycle. 3 years will have facelift and another 2 years will change the whole model. It really depends, some 5 years, some 7 years.

The 2nd generation of Vios was launched somewhere in May 2007 (I couldn't remember), right now is September 2012. New one suppose coming out quite soon?

Unless they want to stick with this model for another 2-3 years. What I can tell you is this is Yaris Sedan, been in US market since 2005-2006.
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post Sep 15 2012, 04:21 PM


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New vios come also wont affect the current vios value la...everytime toyota renew their car there wont be much improvement and less safety features(camry) maybe new one the difference is the meter position at the right side
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post Sep 15 2012, 04:23 PM


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QUOTE(LynxFlexo @ Sep 15 2012, 04:21 PM)
New vios come also wont affect the current vios value la...everytime toyota renew their car there wont be much improvement and less safety features(camry) maybe new one the difference is the meter position at the right side
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Change the shape, then put in 1NZ-FE with 4-speed gear box. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(LynxFlexo @ Sep 15 2012, 04:21 PM)
New vios come also wont affect the current vios value la...everytime toyota renew their car there wont be much improvement and less safety features(camry) maybe new one the difference is the meter position at the right side
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dont worry about toyota removing vios safety feature. it has none to begin with.
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post Sep 15 2012, 05:27 PM


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QUOTE(ericpires @ Sep 15 2012, 04:15 PM)
Where did u get this information? Reliable source?  hmm.gif
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it came out in newspaper where UMW mentioned they will be bringing in the new Vios next year 2013
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QUOTE(oec88 @ Sep 15 2012, 04:21 PM)
Common sense think about it, usually Japanese vehicle has 5 years life cycle. 3 years will have facelift and another 2 years will change the whole model. It really depends, some 5 years, some 7 years.

The 2nd generation of Vios was launched somewhere in May 2007 (I couldn't remember), right now is September 2012. New one suppose coming out quite soon?

Unless they want to stick with this model for another 2-3 years. What I can tell you is this is Yaris Sedan, been in US market since 2005-2006.
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new yaris hatch is already out and you don't see malaysia having it...
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QUOTE(oec88 @ Sep 15 2012, 04:21 PM)
Common sense think about it, usually Japanese vehicle has 5 years life cycle. 3 years will have facelift and another 2 years will change the whole model. It really depends, some 5 years, some 7 years.

The 2nd generation of Vios was launched somewhere in May 2007 (I couldn't remember), right now is September 2012. New one suppose coming out quite soon?

Unless they want to stick with this model for another 2-3 years. What I can tell you is this is Yaris Sedan, been in US market since 2005-2006.
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u should have said there will be a FACELIFT vios will launch or come out quite soon
becuz its never really new
outlook change abit...same engine,same transmission...same everything
there were never really a NEW vios


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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Sep 15 2012, 05:33 PM)
new yaris hatch is already out and you don't see malaysia having it...
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certain models are "too good" to be in malaysian market
if it ain't ancient technology, it ain't gonna be sold here
the yaris although is using 4AT but it has 9 airbags
if toyota have to bring it in, all of the airbags has to go...left 1 airbag only

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post Sep 15 2012, 07:35 PM


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vios should have dual vvti egnine that they use in china. *hoping*. nway almera n vios..not much difference actually. both can be considered as overpriced sedan.
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post Sep 15 2012, 07:46 PM


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But how long are Toyota going to produce the 2nd generation Yaris? 3rd generation Yaris was launched a couple of years ago, at one point they will have to update the sedan, no?

Although it is Toyota in Malaysia, so everything boleh...

The German 3rd gen Yaris uses a manual or something like CVT... or 6 speed torque converter... at least not a 4 speed. No one would buy that anyway.

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post Sep 15 2012, 08:31 PM


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yup, new vios shall be lunch around this year end or next year...
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post Sep 15 2012, 08:59 PM


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Anybody got pics of this new vios?
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post Sep 15 2012, 09:23 PM


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3U1KXP3TM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Sep 15 2012, 09:23 PM)
Thanks kadajawi. Design OK la. Not as bad as new Camry. Hehe.
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post Sep 15 2012, 10:40 PM


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I doubt new Vios does not have new engine and is still mated with 4-speed transmission in basic models.
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post Sep 16 2012, 12:29 AM


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QUOTE(TamaUser @ Sep 15 2012, 10:40 PM)
I doubt new Vios does not have new engine and is still mated with 4-speed transmission in basic models.
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expected..but hard to say.. altis got dual vvti and cvt..then come camry..single vvti + 4 speeder. lol.
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post Sep 16 2012, 12:35 AM


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new vios design will be like current new Prius C .. bcos using same chassis ..
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post Sep 16 2012, 11:38 PM


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QUOTE(keanutan @ Sep 16 2012, 12:35 AM)
new vios design will be like current new Prius C .. bcos using same chassis ..
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if vios really need change design, then better wait n c how is the new look, i also plan to buy car, with 75k budget
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post Sep 16 2012, 11:42 PM


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QUOTE(theanswer @ Sep 15 2012, 07:35 PM)
vios should have dual vvti egnine that they use in china. *hoping*. nway almera n vios..not much difference actually. both can be considered as overpriced sedan.
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overpriced? blame the government, not the manufacturer
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The problem is that the 3rd gen Yaris is clearly built for first world markets. Toyota will have a hard time downgrading it to 3rd world markets (and unfortunately it believes Malaysia is just that...). The design would have to get cheaper to produce (thus losing all the curves).

In terms of engine, gearbox, safety etc. the 3rd gen Yaris is a modern car (1.0 and 1.33, no 4 speed auto). However Toyota has plenty of old engines and gearboxes to chose from, which they probably can put into the car. We will have to wait and see, so far I don't think a sedan version was announced (so who knows, maybe the next update will still be a 2nd gen Yaris?).

Should Toyota feel the heat from the competitors (i.e. Polo, Fiesta, 207/208/308, perhaps in future also Fabia, C3 etc.) then they'll probably update it. So far everyone and their uncle is still buying the Vios though, so no need.

@red-supra:
Bullshit. The Ford Fiesta is a better car, and for 81k you can get it with ESP/VSC and 7 airbags. Why can Ford do it, and Toyota not? Because Toyota can afford to not make such an attractive offer. They'd rather have more profit. They could probably sell the Vios for 50-60k, maybe even less. But why would they...

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Sep 16 2012, 11:44 PM)
The problem is that the 3rd gen Yaris is clearly built for first world markets. Toyota will have a hard time downgrading it to 3rd world markets (and unfortunately it believes Malaysia is just that...). The design would have to get cheaper to produce (thus losing all the curves).

In terms of engine, gearbox, safety etc. the 3rd gen Yaris is a modern car (1.0 and 1.33, no 4 speed auto). However Toyota has plenty of old engines and gearboxes to chose from, which they probably can put into the car. We will have to wait and see, so far I don't think a sedan version was announced (so who knows, maybe the next update will still be a 2nd gen Yaris?).

Should Toyota feel the heat from the competitors (i.e. Polo, Fiesta, 207/208/308, perhaps in future also Fabia, C3 etc.) then they'll probably update it. So far everyone and their uncle is still buying the Vios though, so no need.

@red-supra:
Bullshit. The Ford Fiesta is a better car, and for 81k you can get it with ESP/VSC and 7 airbags. Why can Ford do it, and Toyota not? Because Toyota can afford to not make such an attractive offer. They'd rather have more profit. They could probably sell the Vios for 50-60k, maybe even less. But why would they...
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well, the price of our car might be much cheaper if without tax, when the time comes nobody will buy local cars. vios was once the cheapest car in thailand...
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From what I know the tax rate for Vios and Saga are the same. Proton can produce dirt cheap cars. They'll be fine. Toyota uses the high tax rates as an excuse to overprice their cars. Although Toyota could also drastically reduce the price...

It's time to use the calculator again:
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/toyot.../164360157.html
A brand new Yaris. Ok, it is only the 3 door, you'll only get the 1.0 that puts out 69 hp (it is frugal though), and you get 7 airbags, VSC and TC. 10000 Euro, which is around RM 39000 right now. The car is sold in Germany, which means there is a 19% tax on it. Means it is worth around RM 32000. Lets assume a tax rate of 75% (I think it should be 65 though because it'd be produced in Thailand). Makes 55k. A radio is missing, so add another RM 500. And I believe they sell it for a profit in Germany.
The hybrid Yaris costs around 14k. Hybrids are tax exempt, aren't they? Do the math.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Sep 17 2012, 12:03 AM)
From what I know the tax rate for Vios and Saga are the same. Proton can produce dirt cheap cars. They'll be fine. Toyota uses the high tax rates as an excuse to overprice their cars. Although Toyota could also drastically reduce the price...

It's time to use the calculator again:
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/toyot.../164360157.html
A brand new Yaris. Ok, it is only the 3 door, you'll only get the 1.0 that puts out 69 hp (it is frugal though), and you get 7 airbags, VSC and TC. 10000 Euro, which is around RM 39000 right now. The car is sold in Germany, which means there is a 19% tax on it. Means it is worth around RM 32000. Lets assume a tax rate of 75% (I think it should be 65 though because it'd be produced in Thailand). Makes 55k. A radio is missing, so add another RM 500. And I believe they sell it for a profit in Germany.
The hybrid Yaris costs around 14k. Hybrids are tax exempt, aren't they? Do the math.
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proton cars? dirt cheap price with dirt cheap qualities. compare camry price in australia and camry price in malaysia, u can buy a camry at australia for 90kMYR, but the cheapest camry in malaysia cost 140k. And yea one more thing, u are paying for the brand too. if u want to get toyota quality with a cheaper price, go for perodua. another reason why the overpriced myvi outsells the dirt cheap saga. a G spec vios in thai that comes out form the same factory as the vios in malaysia cost RM68069.81 in thiland in while in malaysia it costs RM 86,543.50... see the diffrences? u will never know how much the govenrment tax rate unless u work in the customs

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i dont want to talk abt car price since lots of things we have to consider..fuel price..maintenance cost n etc..but my main concern is we've been robbed in terms of spec. new camry came without vsc...2.0 with 2 airbags only...then new almera single airbag for lowest spec. wtf man..
in australia the car price is cheap..but not the fuel price..been there before..fill up ron95 fuel there for kia carnival..heh not cheap.
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of course toyota vvti
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QUOTE(red-supra @ Sep 17 2012, 12:16 AM)
proton cars? dirt cheap price with dirt cheap qualities. compare camry price in australia and camry price in malaysia, u can buy a camry at australia for 90kMYR, but the cheapest camry in malaysia cost 140k.  And yea one more thing, u are paying for the brand too. if u want to get toyota quality with a cheaper price, go for perodua. another reason why the overpriced myvi outsells the dirt cheap saga. a G spec vios in thai that comes out form the same factory as the vios in malaysia cost RM68069.81 in thiland in while in malaysia it costs RM 86,543.50... see the diffrences? u will never know how much the govenrment tax rate unless u work in the customs
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What I am saying is that Toyota could offer better cars, at lower prices, even with the taxes they have to pay in Malaysia. Could prices be even lower than that if the taxes would be reduced? Yes, of course. But that doesn't change that these cars are sold for too much.

To be honest I don't think the quality of Toyotas is that great. That includes Perodua, Toyota and Lexus. Close the rear door of the small hybrid Lexus and it sounds cheap.

The tax rates are AFAIK published, however the government can also say "you can't sell the car for that price". That is what jacked up the price of the Polo recently.

Anyway, don't just blame the government. Toyota has to be blamed as well.

Ps: I'd take a Saga over a Myvi any day. Perhaps even over a City. The Euro spec 2nd gen Yaris isn't that great either, though it is somewhat safe, so I'd pick that one over the Saga. But the Vios though... I just fail to see the big difference between a Saga, a City and a Vios... anything that could justify the price difference. But that's very OT.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Sep 17 2012, 01:36 AM)
What I am saying is that Toyota could offer better cars, at lower prices, even with the taxes they have to pay in Malaysia. Could prices be even lower than that if the taxes would be reduced? Yes, of course. But that doesn't change that these cars are sold for too much.

To be honest I don't think the quality of Toyotas is that great. That includes Perodua, Toyota and Lexus. Close the rear door of the small hybrid Lexus and it sounds cheap.

The tax rates are AFAIK published, however the government can also say "you can't sell the car for that price". That is what jacked up the price of the Polo recently.

Anyway, don't just blame the government. Toyota has to be blamed as well.

Ps: I'd take a Saga over a Myvi any day. Perhaps even over a City. The Euro spec 2nd gen Yaris isn't that great either, though it is somewhat safe, so I'd pick that one over the Saga. But the Vios though... I just fail to see the big difference between a Saga, a City and a Vios... anything that could justify the price difference. But that's very OT.
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See the Vios, upgrade the ICE, wheel size and some bodykit already can jack up the price by a lot.

And compare to others car manufacturers, at the price of the Vios, you can get bigger size Kia Forte, Peugeot 207 with cheaper price, or fully loaded Ford Fiesta that had modern 6 speed Dual Clutch auto transmission, highest spec of safety equipment (7 airbags, had ESP and Traction Control). If other car manufacturer can offer decent spec at lower price, why toyota cannot? Somemore most of the toyota car is CKD.

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Sep 17 2012, 12:36 AM)
What I am saying is that Toyota could offer better cars, at lower prices, even with the taxes they have to pay in Malaysia. Could prices be even lower than that if the taxes would be reduced? Yes, of course. But that doesn't change that these cars are sold for too much.

To be honest I don't think the quality of Toyotas is that great. That includes Perodua, Toyota and Lexus. Close the rear door of the small hybrid Lexus and it sounds cheap.

The tax rates are AFAIK published, however the government can also say "you can't sell the car for that price". That is what jacked up the price of the Polo recently.

Anyway, don't just blame the government. Toyota has to be blamed as well.

Ps: I'd take a Saga over a Myvi any day. Perhaps even over a City. The Euro spec 2nd gen Yaris isn't that great either, though it is somewhat safe, so I'd pick that one over the Saga. But the Vios though... I just fail to see the big difference between a Saga, a City and a Vios... anything that could justify the price difference. But that's very OT.
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cant belive that u judge a quality of a car by just closing the door LOL biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif thats how people check the quality of the car 20 years ago.


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See the Vios, upgrade the ICE, wheel size and some bodykit already can jack up the price by a lot.

And compare to others car manufacturers, at the price of the Vios, you can get bigger size Kia Forte, Peugeot 207 with cheaper price, or fully loaded Ford Fiesta that had modern 6 speed Dual Clutch auto transmission, highest spec of safety equipment (7 airbags, had ESP and Traction Control). If other car manufacturer can offer decent spec at lower price, why toyota cannot? Somemore most of the toyota car is CKD.
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u are paying for the brand? same concept goes to apple products

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Just wait until it launch and see what UMW Toyota going to offer to us.

I don't think UMW Toyota will bring in nice stuff for us, never.
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QUOTE(red-supra @ Sep 17 2012, 12:57 AM)
u are paying for the brand? same concept goes to apple products
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That's what UMW Toyota believes - ppl are willing to pay more for their brand, even when the specs they offer are rubbish.

Strictly talking about imports, Fiesta HB LX at <RM70k offers 7 airbags, Fiesta Sedan 7 airbags + ESC+TC at RM85k, same for Fiesta HB XTR at RM91k. Even the Forte 1.6 SX and Fiesta S, with only 2 airbags, comes with ESC+TC at RM86k. The Fiestas are CBU and are tax even higher than Vios. What does Toyota offer at those price points? Fck, CKD Vios J don't even have a USB port for their HU.

Indeed, govt taxes drive up the prices of imports, but UMW Toyota is taking advantage of our ignorance and selling their junk at premium prices while their competitors are actually offering much better and safer cars. Even Honda is buckling up.

inb4 driving slow no need ABSESCTCAirbagsSeatbelts.

And btw, yea Proton quality sucks. But I loled hard at Perodua quality = Toyota

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 17 2012, 06:30 AM)
That's what UMW Toyota believes - ppl are willing to pay more for their brand, even when the specs they offer are rubbish.

Strictly talking about imports, Fiesta HB LX at <RM70k offers 7 airbags, Fiesta Sedan 7 airbags + ESC+TC at RM85k, same for Fiesta HB XTR at RM91k. Even the Forte 1.6 SX and Fiesta S, with only 2 airbags, comes with ESC+TC at RM86k. The Fiestas are CBU and are tax even higher than Vios. What does Toyota offer at those price points? Fck, CKD Vios J don't even have a USB port for their HU.

Indeed, govt taxes drive up the prices of imports, but UMW Toyota is taking advantage of our ignorance and selling their junk at premium prices while their competitors are actually offering much better and safer cars. Even Honda is buckling up.

inb4 driving slow no need ABSESCTCAirbagsSeatbelts.

And btw, yea Proton quality sucks. But I loled hard at Perodua quality = Toyota
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Not sure whether Fiesta HB has 7 airbags, as far as I know only Sedan and XTR come with 7 airbags.
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QUOTE(alg7_munif @ Sep 17 2012, 09:44 AM)
Not sure whether Fiesta HB has 7 airbags, as far as I know only Sedan and XTR come with 7 airbags.
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Now it has been reintroduced with better specs than before – the Ford Fiesta 1.4 LX Manual now comes with 7 airbags, a big upgrade from the original specs which had 1 airbag.


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post Sep 17 2012, 11:20 AM


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I see, the new 1.4 LX now has 7 airbags but the 1.6 Sport still only has 2 airbags.
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post Sep 17 2012, 11:21 AM


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QUOTE(alg7_munif @ Sep 17 2012, 11:20 AM)
I see, the new 1.4 LX now has 7 airbags but the 1.6 Sport still only has 2 airbags.
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Yep. Awkward, I know doh.gif
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QUOTE(red-supra @ Sep 17 2012, 12:57 AM)
cant belive that u judge a quality of a car by just closing the door LOL biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif thats how people check the quality of the car 20 years ago.


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u are paying for the brand? same concept goes to apple products
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Haha, it is a sign though. I just like the way conti doors shut. And usually entry level cars not so nice as premium ones. There is a difference. And contis in general just feel tougher. Stronger. Better built. Maybe not as reliable, but I want to feel (and be) safe in a car. If it breaks down once in a while, so be it. I can live with that. I can't live with being dead though.

Well, if I am paying for the brand, that means I'm paying too much, no?

@1.4 LX vs 1.6 Sport: What the ....? And... the 1.4 is the bargain of the century then. Go buy it people.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Sep 17 2012, 12:20 PM)
Haha, it is a sign though. I just like the way conti doors shut. And usually entry level cars not so nice as premium ones. There is a difference. And contis in general just feel tougher. Stronger. Better built. Maybe not as reliable, but I want to feel (and be) safe in a car. If it breaks down once in a while, so be it. I can live with that. I can't live with being dead though.

Well, if I am paying for the brand, that means I'm paying too much, no?

@1.4 LX vs 1.6 Sport: What the ....? And... the 1.4 is the bargain of the century then. Go buy it people.
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vios comes with 5 star euro ncap, if saga sent to test for euro ncap, i wonder how many stars will it gain
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/toyota_yaris_2005/246.aspx
havent u heard of stronger but lighter metals?
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I read somewhere that usually when toyota and honda want to introduce new models, the price must be approved by the government. It cannot be too low otherwise it will kill Proton. Don't know if this is true though. Maybe that is another reason why vios J is around 73K.
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from vios vs almera becomes purely vios thread now biggrin.gif
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Stronger but lighter metals are more expensive. When Toyota won't use easy to market safety features like plenty of airbags to make the car safer, do you really think they'd use expensive metals? And don't market it? No way.

The Vios was tested long ago, and in Euro spec. More safety features (7 vs 2 airbags).

Saga was tested (ANCAP, similar to Euro NCAP), it received 3 stars. I think the ASEAN Vios would do similarly, maybe a bit better.
http://www.ancap.com.au/crashtestrecord?Id=382

In terms of pricing it would be fairer to test the Preve against the Vios, and I think the Preve could be better. Especially the CFE.

@jepakazoid_82: Yes, AFAIK that is true, it also applies to all the other manufacturers. I don't think they are allowed to sell B segment sedans for less than 70k. However it is up to the manufacturer to make up for that with specs (to a certain degree, basically I don't think they are allowed to seriously endanger P1/P2 sales). That is why the Fiesta is so much better spec'ed than the Vios. Although who knows, if the Fiesta will sell better, the government will revise their decision.
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QUOTE(red-supra @ Sep 17 2012, 01:09 PM)
vios comes with 5 star euro ncap, if saga sent to test for euro ncap, i wonder how many stars will it gain
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/toyota_yaris_2005/246.aspx
havent u heard of stronger but lighter metals?
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Lol, you think the ASEAN Vios sent to test will gain 5-stars ?? The Europe Yaris is worlds away in terms of safety compared to the Yaris/Vios in Malaysia.

Lack of ESC automatically disqualifies it for a 5 star rating. 2 airbags, hmmm....you do the math. Furthermore, the previous Vios J with one airbag dunno can get how many stars.


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I read somewhere that usually when toyota and honda want to introduce new models, the price must be approved by the government. It cannot be too low otherwise it will kill Proton. Don't know if this is true though. Maybe that is another reason why vios J is around 73K.
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It is true.

However, you look at Fiesta LX which is priced lower but better equipped. So I wonder what is Toyota's excuse.


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@1.4 LX vs 1.6 Sport: What the ....? And... the 1.4 is the bargain of the century then. Go buy it people.
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I would buy it, if it was not manual only doh.gif WTF Ford doh.gif doh.gif

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just saw almera, 1 thing it'll be better than vios.
interior & boot space, man it's really huge
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I just saw Almera. The feel is just like VIOS, ringan and kosong. Nothing special except it has push button.

You may consider other Sedan like Preve / Inspira / Forte if you dont mind about fuel consumption. I heard Forte got discount up to 4k (end up 82k only). Maybe in KL. Worth to get.


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Try driving a manual conti. It's not at all like manual japs. At least those japs/semi japs I have tried had horrible manual gearboxes (exception being the GT86, but I didn't drive it, just sat inside. Gearbox seemed rather crisp... a bit like a Golf, Focus, Corsa, Touran, ...). With these fun killers from Japan I would prefer auto too... biggrin.gif

Think the 1.4 should be nice to drive, fun. Just don't try to use it for drag racing.
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more review plzz rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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I drove both car. Vios - Dad's and Almera - Mine.
Vios- Better acceleration, build is more solid. Seats are more comfortable, overall quality i think is better.

Almera - Quieter, bigger interior and boot space, engine smoother, push start button, can show "fuel consumption" details, cheaper than Vios, more cups holder... doh.gif

Tie - Handling, both cars are sometimes quite hard to steer,

Fuel Consumption - cant really compare yet, my car less than 500Km...
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QUOTE(red-supra @ Sep 16 2012, 11:42 PM)
overpriced? blame the government, not the manufacturer
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Ford oso got taxed, korean cars oso got taxed.. But with better spec n features they can sell cheàper than umw toyota vios..

Then who to blame???
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i once thought latio is the worst looking b-segment, until the almera came.......

i rather drive a dugong if force to choose
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I don't know ..

My mom is driving one Almera and i am driving 2007 Toyota Belta.

What i love Almera is the air-conditioning is very cold, but the seats is like "meh" compared to Belta.

I like Belta's design compare to Almera, and i don't carry a lot of people most of the time, so Belta is kinda fine for me.

Almera's workmanship is kinda sucks, maybe because it is made in Malaysia, the Almera quality is kinda rough. Which i already dislikes this car.

Belta's acceleration is powerful compare to Almera, i used to test these cars during my way back to home, which pass through a slope. Almera doesn't seems powerful than Belta, and even a new Proton Saga.

Almera has 4 speakers, located at 4 car doors. Belta have 6 speakers, 4 located at 2 front doors and another 2 speakers at the rear windscreen. Almera's sound quality is just "meh" , but Belta's sound quality is the best, i guess it is SRS system.

Almera has a touch screen Navi+FM/AM+Bluetooth+USB+DVD+rear parking camera+iPod support. It does provided a cable designed for iPod.

Since i already ride and drive both of these cars, that is my review.

Conclusion, buy Toyota Belta. Unless you love to carry a lot of people, then Almera is suitable.

[[UPDATES : TOYOTA BELTA IN MALAYSIA IS CALLED AS TOYOTA VIOS ]]

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