I tell u sprint run 1.0.5 wht is the different from this patch ,i was tested mp 5,6 n 8 level dy run like a wind. normally When u run sprint surrounding enemy for recharge fury from this patch 1.0.4 right.... but go for 1.0.5 patch u need run sprint surrounding for big circle n more surrounding then fury v recharge..n if enemy will chasing u when run sprint need run long distance abit then will recharge fury....

Yes, it is nerfed but still doable.

It will affect life recovery (via LOH/LS) and fury generation.
This is one of the reasons why I slowly move to WWT hybrid build.
Just another way to get life recovery & fury generation.
I'll throw weapon for life recovery & fury generation if necessary.

(Bad Ah Zhong, see, I am poisoned by your flying axe!)
P/S (Bad vic too, why kept flying axe in front of me?)

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Oct 13 2012, 02:58 PM

Haha... one day u will flying axe in front from hat bcos u will know... can say fast then DH Shoot i in public game always.... lol

Yeap, I still have not much luck in hunting the ring.

Can't find any -fury ring with STR affix.

Ah Zhong, do you wanna sell your ring? Yours can insert ruby. I like.

So less fury generation and LS/LoH ?

I haven't really try the hybrid build since no -fury ring yet

If you guys got a choice for WW build, which weapon would you prefer for Main Hand? I feel quite a significant improve in DPS when i use Echoing Fury

The reason is i seems to be killing those elites with Extra Health quite slow especialy those Occulist fatties in Act 3 that can cast a shield

U pure ww go for echoing fury weapon put on MH, so find another weapon to OH must have 800LOH. CD n SOC, so ur LS using lamentation mighty belt or IK belt n increase some LOH in ur both ring or amulet they....

Assuming all gears remain the same except your main hand.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Ngau-1248/hero/20387164

I'm afraid you may not have enough life recovery if you use Echoing Fury. I think this is the only concern.

Try to use both in game and test it yourself.
You can kite a bit when you life is running low. Echoing Fury can kill fast too.
There is no right or wrong answer. Change some gameplay style and see which one gives you better survivability.

Tested few rounds and i think i like the more DPS style

Just hope lucky get something to sell so i can afford LoH rings/amulet

Just thinking if i go hybrid i will lose out even more LS/LoH when i change my offhand to 300 spear

Very interesting hybrid build, i can say every single goblin or fatty mob must die in ur hand.... cos pure ww have chasing issue, but hybrid build is ww tornado +throw weapon very fun, some mob u need chase them but u can throw weapon to them as fast as u can 60% slow movement spd from mob... somemore u can stand away from poison, fire chain, molten n arcane not just ww tornado only, so u can throw weapon fall from them elite... u imagine ur barb save or not....

Just Sharing, from Blizz Forum Site (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6864416737)

This is meant as a guide for fellow barbarian players to calculate their true damage output. The number shown on the character wrong is for the most part very inaccurate when assessing your damage output because RLTW and WW work on a breakpoint system instead of scaling linearly with IAS like conventional skills like frenzy. Certain items such as big 2H weapons will vastly inflate the number while ias does not inflate it enough. The purpose of this guide is to give players a way to calculate their true damage per second, run efficiency score which is how efficient their character is at gaining exp and items while running at the optimal monster power and finally battle efficiency score which somewhat similar to heroscore but with a more precise DPS calculation For those wishing to tackle the highest monster powers.

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True damage per second:
Tdps = [(.7 *M) + (.4833 * ({M+O} /2)) ]* t

.7 = .2 coefficient of RLTW * average number of tornadoes 3.5
.4883 = coefficient for combined weapon DW
M= average damage of mainhand weapon
O= average damage of offhand weapon
t = average ticks per second of both weapons

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Average damage can be calculated by uploading your armory here: http://www.d3rawr.com/c
Ticks per second can be calculated here: https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037344497

Note that you might need to calculate Tdps for both normal and “elite” damage as well.

EHP : Use d3prog for now we as it is not possible to elegantly factor LS,LS into EHP.

MS – Movespeed multiplier : [(armor ias/100 + 1) + (( wotb uptime % * 20)/100+1)+ (( sprint uptime % * 20)/100+1)]]

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RES - Run Efficiency Score: [ Tdps^(1/1.12) * [MS ^ (1/1.24)] * [EHP ^(1.45)] * [1.1 for axe/mace or * 1.39 for MW , 1 for all other weapons] * (1+ (ls * (3/10) ) ) *
(1+ [loh/2500] ) / ]1,000

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-Intended to measure how fast you can farm exp and items at the optimal monster power
-for the sake simplicity, EHP is heavily diminished here because it is assumed you can do your runs without deaths and the bases of DTWW begins with a level of defense that makes deaths rare or nonexistent. Any build where death is common should not even be considered for a RES score.
-The 1/1.24 is intended to diminish the effects of bonus MS ( 35.6 % multiplier at 84 MS) for the moment only gear based MS is measured as it is not possible to ask players to accurately assses their WOTB uptime. The flat score multiplier accounts for the fury generation of MW and the CC of axe/maces, other
-A measurable output would be xp/min kills/min

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BES - Battle efficiency score: { (Tdps * [ehp^(1.15)] * (1+ (ls * (3/10) ) ) *
(1+ [loh/2500] ) } /100,000]
-Intended for those planning on doing extremely high monster powers (8-10)
--The 1/1.5 is intended to diminish the effects of ehp as values far past 1.5m are not optimal even in mp 10

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WW/RLTW ias breakpoints and Tdps formulation are a product of Nubtro’s superb research and most of the data here would not be possible without his contributions. His thread can be found here:
https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037344497

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Added on October 14, 2012, 1:29 amCont from the dude post...

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Remarkably high unbuffed TPDS scores with at least:
600 k EHP, 24 movespeed and 5-6 ls or 800-900 loh or a mix of both and 20k elite kills - [exceptions can be made for extreme t values / Tdps]
listed here:

Mace/Axe
1.
2. 891916 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Vinceco...6/hero/25195746 (-3ls)
3. 876,024 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/DAKKON-6113/hero/8428604 (soj)
4. 701670 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/CaptAme...4/hero/16858339 (soj)
5. 668,770 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/acrimon...61/hero/4156386
6. 620,357 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Keik-1545/hero/22333222
7.
8.
9.
10. 526,412 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/PhatPho...70/hero/3380844

Mighty weapon
1.
2.
3.
4.
5. 509,555 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Lorenze...0/hero/21354995 (soj, +3 ls)
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

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Remarkably high BES - Battle efficiency scores are listed here, this is simply Tdps with EHP factored in and is intended for those running extremely high MP levels and roughly equal to heroscore or godliness level. Requirement: 3 ls or 800 loh or a mix of both , 12 MS, 25k elite kills.

1.
2.
3. 1,136,686 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/DAKKON-6113/hero/8428604
4. 1,042,662 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/acrimon...61/hero/4156386
5. 833,101 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Vinceco...6/hero/25195746
6. 802,799 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Lorenze...0/hero/21354995 (mw)
7. 776,666 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/CaptAme...4/hero/16858339
8.
9.
10.

______________._..--<<//@#~~**Hall of the Pathfinder**~~#@\\>>--.._.________
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Remarkably high RES - Run efficiency scores are listed here. This is a measure of your run efficiency - how fast you can gain exp and hunt items. Requirements: 5-6 ls 800-900 loh or a mix of both, 24 MS, t > 6, 30k elite kills.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5. 1,071,429 https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Lorenze...0/hero/21354995 (soj)
6.
7.
8.
9.
10

This post has been edited by HaRuaN.X: Oct 14 2012, 01:29 AM

It is not a must to use 300th spear.
You can still throw weapon with your existing gears.
You just need -fury gear to have more throws.

Is it possible to get 300 spear with both Attack Speed and Socket?

I've been searching the auction for days but couldn't find one

300 spear too much in AH bro, got soc also... but for my opinion i wont use 300 spear just use back my rare Spear.... they rare has high LOH n CD build in n soc gd for me, but i cant say 300spear not well ,the 300spear have bonus throw weapon dmg max 50%increase n soc too....depends u only...

Hi All,

Just brought 2H Skorn but I found up that the bleeding ( have 99% ) seen like not use to the mod, I testing many time after attacked and try to see the mod life reduce but nothing. Can some one tell me what problem ? Is the bug ?

Mant thanks !

but if use Echoing Fury.. u can generate enof FURY ? for ww build

This post has been edited by milky: Oct 14 2012, 11:21 PM

In patch 104, you should not have problem to generate fury.
The concern is the nerf in tornado in patch 105.

Echoing Fury does not have LOH/LS. That is the concern.

Of course, it does work and the "inflict bleed for 6202-8394 damage over 5 seconds" (my barb's 2H skorn specs) amounts to an average of 1460 damage per second (5x times).

This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Oct 15 2012, 01:38 AM

echoing fury does not have LOH/LS but my belt + my off hand can generate enof LS

but not enof of fury..

What is your primary skill? Bash?
If you use bash, i don't see any reason you do not have enough fury.
Or you expect fury always remain full? That's not going to happen, unfortunately.

If you follow a normal WW build, fury generation is not even a concern.
Try to change your gameplay style.

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Added on October 15, 2012, 9:34 amI tried weapon throwing last night... without any -fury gear.
Fury was always depleted but still doable.
Died once... couldn't escape due to run out of fury and killed by an arcane.

I have already got a offhand weapon and a belt.
Just another ring to complete the WWT build.

I was outbid this morning for a skull grasp.
Need to hunt for another skull grasp again.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Oct 15 2012, 09:34 AM