Who's is going to Legoland this 6 Oct?

A question to clarify.

My cousin sister was just gotten a job in s'pore (company 1), and she also obtained the EP approval already to commence job in Feb 2013.
However, she was just awarded another employment contract by company 2 (which has better prospect of course).

Accordingly, she needs to ask comp 1 to cancel the EP first before Comp 2 can submit the EP application on her behalf. Is that true?
During my time, they are free to submit the EP application for approval. Only when come to issuance of EP, then comp 1 has to cancel it before comp 2 to apply for EP issuance.

There is a potential risk though if she rejects comp 1 ; while comp 2 failed to obtained the EP. (which I think quite impossible since comp 2 more establish).

Yes I heard though. But on what basis? The applicant herself? What's wrong with the applicant that cause MOM reject 2nd EP, given that she will apply using the same qualifications which had been approved previously.

Penalized but her action? Come on. I though it is on the merit basis? In fact, I myself also experienced the same previously. But that time, 2nd company can just submit the application without the need of requesting 1st company to withdraw the EP.

MOM has just clarified to her that the approval is assessed independent from previous application. If they seriously want to penalize applicant, then they should have made this clearer. Or else it is not convincing.

p/s EP with first company not issued yet. But I guess she has to take her own risk. Just went to the office and clarify the issue on her behalf, it seems positive and nothing to prevent / penalize her to do so. Maybe Joshua you can share with us your point?

This post has been edited by z21j: Dec 13 2012, 01:16 PM

Yes, that is the policy NOW. If she has collected the EP (issuance of EP), then second company can submit the EP application.

Thanks for your clarification. But MoM should be "smart" enough to know why the applicant switch the company what... obviously the second offer is better and came in much later. For me, it is still better than you ask the first company to pay for your EP and resign after like few months. It is weird though to justify the "sincerity" of this person in this sense.

p/s Just a side note that she wants to change the company only, not the job position of what she applying for.

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Added on December 13, 2012, 2:58 pmSo is there a cooling period if she got rejected by the second company, or she will be banned forever?



This post has been edited by z21j: Dec 13 2012, 02:58 PM

Anyway, my cousin sister called and told me that she had withdrew the offer from first company but the company yet to cancel the EP. She said the first company refused to communicate to her since she informed her decision to them on tue/wed.

Proud of her. She is so optimistic in second EP application although she knows there is possibility to get her second EP application rejected. The ground of appeal would be (first EP application got approval) is the only way that can save her.

HR from second company supports her as well and hopefully she will get through the application. But the first hurdle is the EP cancellation.

proud of her not in this sense.
proud of her because she is so optimistic and she is indeed a "risk taker". I believe in IB industry we need such talent. Dare to grab opportunity.

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Added on December 16, 2012, 5:55 pmHR has been trained to handle many case(s) professionally.

Also, please define the point of "agreement". Note that it is practice of the S'porean firm to offer the foreigner a conditional offer (ie subject to approval... etc). It is JUST CONDITIONAL OFFER and prima facie
even if you agree the conditional offer, no employment contract is concluded yet. Once the conditional offer becomes an offer (ie... approval given, etc...)... then the foreigner STILL has the choice to accept or not before it becomes a valid contract.

So, if HR unreasonable terminate your contract employment and give u salary in lieu with your termination, does it means HR ffk as well? This is business world, as long as we can handle it professionally then it will be good enough.

Reputation might be spoilt because she rejected the first company? Haha... my cousin sister is just a small character and I dont think she deserves such attention from HR for a long .. long period. If first company get angry and "complain" her conduct with MOM, we cant do anything. I seriously believe that it is still better than after she entered an employment contract then only resign... in stead of that, I think she made the right choice. More important, there was NO conclusion of employment contract yet. EP has NOT been issued, just in-principal approval letter that turn the conditional offer letter become offer letter.

*We need the real good foreigners to work in Singapore. If you are just coming to Singapore but just because to SECURE a job and no ambition to commence your CAREER, I doubt you are the right candidate. I do not believe also you will work for your first company (in singapore) for life. In a point of life, you will still leave your first company.

This post has been edited by z21j: Dec 16 2012, 06:00 PM

80% from RM6,500 = RM5,200 (equivalent to SGD 2,080).
Very low.

I think he meant 80% ABOVE the current salary. 180% x RM6500 = 11,700 (equivalent to SGD 4,680).

OR

he meant 80% of 6,500 = SGD 5,200

1 sentence, different interpretations

This post has been edited by z21j: Dec 26 2012, 01:27 PM

you may refer to post #1441, and then read my possible interpretations. Then you may not be so confuse. haha

6 months is for the IPA before it lapses. Means within that 6 months, your company MUST issue an EP for you.