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Working in Singapore V12, Yusheng - 23rd Feb (Saturday)
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momijigari
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Oct 3 2012, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:02 AM) Good for you as company provide car for you. For my case, I have to drive my own car (Malaysia registered) and company provide me fix car allowance of $500/ month. So I planned to stay at JB and drive in daily......Salary only $3300, still not sure grab it or not  Does the car allowance of S$500/mth includes petrol, parking & ERP?
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tailtwist
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Oct 3 2012, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:02 AM) Good for you as company provide car for you. For my case, I have to drive my own car (Malaysia registered) and company provide me fix car allowance of $500/ month. So I planned to stay at JB and drive in daily......Salary only $3300, still not sure grab it or not  500....VEP mind u its SGD20 per day...so SGD20x25days==500 bucks liao!! if add your ERP/Parking/Maintenance/Petrol....then This post has been edited by tailtwist: Oct 3 2012, 10:19 AM
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TSdeodorant
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Oct 3 2012, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:02 AM) Good for you as company provide car for you. For my case, I have to drive my own car (Malaysia registered) and company provide me fix car allowance of $500/ month. So I planned to stay at JB and drive in daily......Salary only $3300, still not sure grab it or not  You DO know that it'll cost you $400/month in daily VEP charges to drive your M'sia car in, right? That's not including petrol, ERP, parking, car price/installment, maintenance, etc. Seems that a decent chunk of that $3300 will also go to the car upkeep.
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tailtwist
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Oct 3 2012, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 3 2012, 10:18 AM) You DO know that it'll cost you $400/month in daily VEP charges to drive your M'sia car in, right? That's not including petrol, ERP, parking, car price/installment, maintenance, etc. Seems that a decent chunk of that $3300 will also go to the car upkeep. read my mind!! LOL
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seantang
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Oct 3 2012, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:02 AM) Good for you as company provide car for you. For my case, I have to drive my own car (Malaysia registered) and company provide me fix car allowance of $500/ month. So I planned to stay at JB and drive in daily......Salary only $3300, still not sure grab it or not  If they expect you to buy and maintain a car that is driven daily into SG, then your real/effective salary is only about $2000. If I were you, I would forget about this "opportunity". I would walk away... and If they counteroffer, my response would be $3300 salary (assuming this is already market, or definitely ask for more if it's not) and a non-negotiable minimum $1500 car allowance (you should ask for $2000 and let them work it downwards). This post has been edited by seantang: Oct 3 2012, 10:28 AM
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tkhoo
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Oct 3 2012, 10:28 AM
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Hi guys, that $500 not included parking, ERP and petrol. All these 3 company do provide another $240 which claim by receipt. I do calculate the VEP and that is why I still not yet accept the offer.
This company will apply my S-Pass than once it approve then I will nego the offer again.
May I know do I need to pass any ERP from causeway to Ubi View area if I driving? I will drive along BKE then PIE where uncle google show me.
Thanks.
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momijigari
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Oct 3 2012, 10:32 AM
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Getting Started

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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:28 AM) Hi guys, that $500 not included parking, ERP and petrol. All these 3 company do provide another $240 which claim by receipt. I do calculate the VEP and that is why I still not yet accept the offer. This company will apply my S-Pass than once it approve then I will nego the offer again. May I know do I need to pass any ERP from causeway to Ubi View area if I driving? I will drive along BKE then PIE where uncle google show me. Thanks. Why are you negotiating only after your work pass has approved?? I was doing sales and the company provided car(petrol, parking and ERP all claimable) to drive to customers' place. Of course I was too chicken to drive, so I took taxi instead. These are expenses incurred for WORK, why do you have to pay for it?
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tkhoo
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Oct 3 2012, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(momijigari @ Oct 3 2012, 10:32 AM) Why are you negotiating only after your work pass has approved?? I was doing sales and the company provided car(petrol, parking and ERP all claimable) to drive to customers' place. Of course I was too chicken to drive, so I took taxi instead. These are expenses incurred for WORK, why do you have to pay for it? I am negotiate which the company but the HR said ever both partise agree the offer but S-Pass not approve also no point (this are the meaning what they said) but they know I not accept the current offer and they insist want to apply the S-Pass for me so I feel once the pass approve, I still can negotiate on the benefit and salary ( this is what I feel) as I still not yet sign the offer letter yet. Bro, may I know what is your benefit your company provided if you drive your own car? I can compare and talk with the company. Thanks
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Mackiddo
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Oct 3 2012, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:28 AM) Hi guys, that $500 not included parking, ERP and petrol. All these 3 company do provide another $240 which claim by receipt. I do calculate the VEP and that is why I still not yet accept the offer. This company will apply my S-Pass than once it approve then I will nego the offer again. May I know do I need to pass any ERP from causeway to Ubi View area if I driving? I will drive along BKE then PIE where uncle google show me.Thanks. IIRC there's one at BKE before going to PIE and another one at PIE before Stevens Road exit. ERP rates depends on your travelling time This post has been edited by Mackiddo: Oct 3 2012, 11:05 AM
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momijigari
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Oct 3 2012, 11:05 AM
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Getting Started

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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:53 AM) I am negotiate which the company but the HR said ever both partise agree the offer but S-Pass not approve also no point (this are the meaning what they said) but they know I not accept the current offer and they insist want to apply the S-Pass for me so I feel once the pass approve, I still can negotiate on the benefit and salary ( this is what I feel) as I still not yet sign the offer letter yet. Bro, may I know what is your benefit your company provided if you drive your own car? I can compare and talk with the company. Thanks I am no bro. I'd put it to the HR, even if S-PASS is approved, both parties do not agree with the offer tabled still result in "NO POINT". The people in my previous company driving their own cars get allowance, petrol, ERP and parking to be paid by company separately. I don't know why you want to compare with people driving their own cars in Singapore. 1. They live here. 2. They need the car to fetch their family around (mostly got children one)
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tkhoo
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Oct 3 2012, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Oct 3 2012, 11:04 AM) IIRC there's one at BKE before going to PIE and another one at PIE before Stevens Road exit. ERP rates depends on your travelling time Thanks, I also check and I might need to go through 2 ro 3 ERP where above mention area ERP cost was $3.50 and $2. This 2 area only collect ERP during morning? How about after office hours? Thanks Added on October 3, 2012, 11:16 amQUOTE(momijigari @ Oct 3 2012, 11:05 AM) I am no bro. I'd put it to the HR, even if S-PASS is approved, both parties do not agree with the offer tabled still result in "NO POINT". The people in my previous company driving their own cars get allowance, petrol, ERP and parking to be paid by company separately. I don't know why you want to compare with people driving their own cars in Singapore. 1. They live here. 2. They need the car to fetch their family around (mostly got children one) Sorry sis,  what I feel the company still insist want to apply my pass mean they might adjust my offer once the pass is approve that is why now I try to collect advise from all the good bro and sis advise and compare. I just want to compare did my company provede me good allowance or not.... This post has been edited by tkhoo: Oct 3 2012, 11:16 AM
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seantang
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Oct 3 2012, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:28 AM) Hi guys, that $500 not included parking, ERP and petrol. All these 3 company do provide another $240 which claim by receipt. I do calculate the VEP and that is why I still not yet accept the offer. The $1500-2000 car allowance I mentioned also doesn't include parking, ERP and petrol. The principle is that if the company expects you to drive on the job, they should provide a car or pay you enough allowance to buy a suitable car. Btw... the $240 claims... barely enough to fill your petrol tank 3 times. This post has been edited by seantang: Oct 3 2012, 11:40 AM
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yhoong12
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Oct 3 2012, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 10:53 AM) I am negotiate which the company but the HR said ever both partise agree the offer but S-Pass not approve also no point (this are the meaning what they said) but they know I not accept the current offer and they insist want to apply the S-Pass for me [I]so I feel once the pass approve, I still can negotiate on the benefit and salary ( this is what I feel) as I still not yet sign the offer letter yet. Bro, may I know what is your benefit your company provided if you drive your own car? I can compare and talk with the company. Thanks Seem like they really need you..hehe...need to pull up abit your value.
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momijigari
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Oct 3 2012, 11:49 AM
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Getting Started

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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 11:13 AM) Thanks, I also check and I might need to go through 2 ro 3 ERP where above mention area ERP cost was $3.50 and $2. This 2 area only collect ERP during morning? How about after office hours? Thanks Added on October 3, 2012, 11:16 amSorry sis,  what I feel the company still insist want to apply my pass mean they might adjust my offer once the pass is approve that is why now I try to collect advise from all the good bro and sis advise and compare. I just want to compare did my company provede me good allowance or not....  I am afraid the company(HR) still insist on applying your pass has nothing to do with their willingness to counter a better offer. HR is not the one who determines your salary. And there's really no point in comparing the allowance given to my ex-superiors as they probably earn much more. Usually the company will provide car lah!
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tkhoo
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Oct 3 2012, 11:57 AM
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Thanks to all who give advise. All the advise is valueable to me to continue talk with the company. Maybe I will not request 1500 car allowance but will request higher basic salary due to it will be good for my next job hop. Car allowance is fix for each company and I think unable to nego on this but basic salary can be nego
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crazy25kid
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Oct 3 2012, 12:02 PM
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First off, why do you want to negotiate after getting the S-pass approved? I duno...it may or may not be a point in future application of pass. I mean, if approved and your negotiation breaks down, your pass is cancelled or something...what if that becomes a mark for MOM that you are simply fooling around. Why risk it?
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tkhoo
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Oct 3 2012, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Oct 3 2012, 12:02 PM) First off, why do you want to negotiate after getting the S-pass approved? I duno...it may or may not be a point in future application of pass. I mean, if approved and your negotiation breaks down, your pass is cancelled or something...what if that becomes a mark for MOM that you are simply fooling around. Why risk it? Bro, you got a point too. I will remember this advise. Thanks. Bro, may I know if I work with this company and may I know this S-Pass did prevent us to join another company or we need to serve this company minimum XX year only can change job? Thanks. This post has been edited by tkhoo: Oct 3 2012, 01:19 PM
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yhoong12
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Oct 3 2012, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(tkhoo @ Oct 3 2012, 12:37 PM) Bro, you got a point too. I will remember this advise. Thanks. Bro, may I know if I work with this company and may I know this S-Pass did prevent us to join another company or we need to serve this company minimum XX year only can change job? Thanks. When you change company, the old Pass will be cancelled and they will apply new Pass for you, Pass valid period usually two years, i dont think you need to serve minimum year according to MOM but if your agreement provided by the company does say so, then you have to follow.
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tkhoo
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Oct 3 2012, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(yhoong12 @ Oct 3 2012, 02:13 PM) When you change company, the old Pass will be cancelled and they will apply new Pass for you, Pass valid period usually two years, i dont think you need to serve minimum year according to MOM but if your agreement provided by the company does say so, then you have to follow. Thanks.....
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jobhunter007
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Oct 3 2012, 02:38 PM
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New Member
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Can someyone tell me the differences between S Pass, Work permit and EP?
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