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PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V5, Comparison and Advice

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Emiya Shirou
post Jun 20 2013, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Jun 20 2013, 07:15 PM)
You can find thousands of tutorials on how to remove hiss and background noise on the net as well as videos (e.g. Youtube) using software such as freeware Audacity to expensive Adobe Audition. nod.gif

That looks like 4 way. I think I see a ribbon tweeter there... brows.gif

Just change the satellites and see... tongue.gif

That would be Edifier M1360, though don't expect to blast it at full volume (more suitable for easy going music, and medium volumes). Got one on my desk for experimentation (got it super cheap anyway), tweaking it around and see if I can get more out of it. Just above RM100 would be Edifier M1335 which is much more recommended. icon_rolleyes.gif
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another rec m1360 to him also rclxms.gif rclxms.gif yup, the SQ is nice at mid but bloomy at MAX. jz the bass a little flabby. but i still think it's better to go for something around RM200 if he can stretch the budget and plan for long term usage
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 21 2013, 03:08 PM)
Change of a analogue 3.5 mm input audio jack-RCA cabel with better quality will affect sound quality? hmm.gif
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affect is will affect, jz tat will u notice it? if the quality is another level thn it will be easy to notice, if not is quite hard.
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 21 2013, 04:25 PM)
understand, it mean no effect, i personally try to download some tracks from youtube and convert it to vbr0 mp3 using audacity, as I download another flac track, there is a difference, hmm source tracking is important (no that there is huge difference between mp3 and flac, proper encoding wont make much difference), but cable should be not noticable, except good one look more classy tongue.gif
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nope, tat's wrong. cable n power conditioning are consider less affecting in SQ due to their expensive price. but, if u try like jump grade, thn cable do hav very significant affect. but i dont really recommend u to try cable for ur speaker. normally ppl will advise u to spend only 10% of ur budget on cable. try play cable after u get something like Audioengine A5+ or Swan X4.
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 21 2013, 04:45 PM)
hmm, for large scale sound device i think got difference, coz need more input, but that one also up to how they design every components, blood sucker design at the end for those business sweat.gif
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actually not like tat, every sound devices also will hear differences with better cable. jz the problem is the raw material for better cable are expensive. like pure gold > pure silver > pure copper. but these cable, even the best 1 don't affect the whole system a lot. so ppl tend to budget with 10% only.

jz for example, a 10k cable really giv gud sound. even u try in ur 1k speaker system also can hear differences. but with 10k u buy a speaker and amplifier, the differences will be more significant. so will u buy 10k cable or 10k speaker and amp?
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post Jun 21 2013, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Vannus @ Jun 21 2013, 05:52 PM)
what is the best budget cables around ? I try to search in forum but no one talk about speakers cables. Sigh
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there is no best budget cable around, cause cable has few types of characteristic (such as cold, warm and etc) and u need to choose depend on ur taste. and sometimes, I will like to use cable to tone the sound. it's easy to jz swap the interconnect cable and hav a totally different sound type according to the taste u want. but for speaker cables, i recommend kimber kable or transparent audio. kimber kable has some bad look and lack those wrapping of other cable, but for the price against SQ, i think its easy to rec. transparent audio is for its factory terminated cable tat has the filter.
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post Jun 21 2013, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 21 2013, 06:35 PM)
I will bang the idiot who sell a cable for 10K, that's totally overexaggerating and irrational, that cable is not make of diamond but just some elements free come from Earth, idiot business. haha blush.gif
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thn why dun u jz bang those guy tat selling copper, silver and gold? and cable tat sell for 10k is still quite accepted in the hifi world. cable tat go over 20k will be less accepted.

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post Jun 21 2013, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 21 2013, 06:43 PM)
What cable do you suggest and where to buy it? I simply use it to trasfer analogue signal come out from smartphone to active speakers (3.5mm to RCA), also paiseh have to ask here coz see no where a thread for audio cable  sweat.gif
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better buy a DAC first, cause those cable tat i said cost at least RM300 above.
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post Jun 21 2013, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 21 2013, 06:48 PM)
what? RM300 wtf shocking.gif haha I'll forget those beautiful cables blush.gif
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tat's y i said, try upgrade cable after u get a speaker like A5+ or X4 whistling.gif
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post Jun 22 2013, 06:27 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jun 21 2013, 09:42 PM)
anyway copper had better conductivity compared to gold... so don't bother investing on gold cable other than silver and copper.

gold is the best conductor that can withstand oxidation and that's all
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hmm, i read some where before but i don't remember where. it said tat gold conductor do has better sound thn silver. conductivity is not the only parameter tat affect sound quality. but i doubt we will see many gold conductor cable as those from china are aggressively stocking them up. whn i talk about gold, i do mean real gold. not like here, whn saying bout invest in gold, what we get is jz some bank book instead of real gold.
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post Jun 22 2013, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 22 2013, 02:53 PM)
I'll try to make it point straighforward, it just mean the bass is sound like:

erhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, vibrate and stay there, which cause some unplesant feeling to my head rclxub.gif

I wonder passive modding and a decent amplifier can save me icon_question.gif
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hmm, i also not sure wat ur problem is... anyway, wat DAC are u using? source is important as well. if the DAC is not up to the standard, getting more expensive amp + speaker also may not solve it.
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post Jun 22 2013, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 22 2013, 07:23 PM)
My speakers can be modded to do passive. In simply the bass problem is vibrate within a corner and weewangwang weewangwang, and not clean, you try listen normally several tracks, maybe you can hear that as well, but listen very carefully, most tracks will have bass "hmm"  rclxub.gif

I use my HTC Desire HD to play VBR0 MP3 music, until recently I only notice this bass "hmm" sweat.gif
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hmm, more like speaker position n isolation problem to me
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post Jun 22 2013, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 22 2013, 08:16 PM)
I try to position further from wall, hmm seem reduce a bit of the problem, will listen more carefully to examine again, (close my wall fan even), maybe my room too empty? hmm.gif
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try borrow few eraser from ur friends and put them at the bottom of ur speaker and see
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post Jun 29 2013, 06:51 AM

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QUOTE(gstoh @ Jun 28 2013, 11:24 PM)
I am hesitating between Q Acoustic 2000i cinema pack 5.1 and 2050i.
I plan to place it at living room.
usage: listen to music 50%, watch movie 50%

Should I go for 5.1 or 2.0 ?
I know 5.1 is good for movie but I don't like to mess my living room by placing the rear speaker at the back of my seat.
In fact, I emphasize more on sound quality than surround.
for the same budget range (less than 4k), i can go for floorstander 2050i which I think that it can deliver better sound quality than 2000i 5.1 for music.

do you all think that 2050i is best choice for my case?
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personally i prefer 2.0 for best SQ with the same budget.

let's talk bout speaker first, 2.0 vs 5.1.
-For listening to stereo music and other stuff, there wont be much diff except tat the 5.1 will hav stronger bass due to it's subwoofer and may sometimes make ur music listening become fatigue or not so enjoyable. But, some tat like bass cant survive without a subwoofer, so it depend on urself...
-For movies, u will need to downmix those surround audio to 2.0, so u will lost those surround effect like hearing the walking steps sound come from behind to front or the surround explosive sound and etc... Besides that, due to 2.0 lack of subwoofer, even u buy a floorstander, those explosive effect wont be as ground shaking and solid as a subwoofer.

let's talk bout amp.
-if u are going 2.0, mean tat u can choose between av receiver or stereo amp. for the same price, stereo amp will hav better SQ compare to av receiver.

let's talk bout positioning and isolation.
-i like 2.0 cause i only need to focus on positioning and isolation on jz 2 speakers XD only jz 2 speakers already took me a whole day meddling and testing around
-if 5.1, mean i need to focus on 6 speakers @@ i dunno how long will it take for the positioning alone... and subwoofer wif isolation do wield better result ^^

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post Jul 4 2013, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 3 2013, 11:14 PM)
Yup, tried that one before. Surprisingly good for the price. But didn't satisfy me. Now with UD100, still didn't satisfy me. Hehe... It's the best to own both.
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jz my personal opinion, i think ud100 should be enuff for ur corsair speaker. if u really wanna upgrade try upgrade tat speaker first instead of DAC...
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post Jul 4 2013, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 4 2013, 09:03 AM)
I did audit SP 2500 at local shop last time with Onkyo sound card and she sound better than mine. Thus I think UD100 is not enough. Maybe get a DAC first. If not satisfy, just sell and use headphone. Hehe... Or get something else. I thought M50W are better than my SP 2500 but I'm wrong. Somehow SP 2500 sound better at my ear. And I really dislike control at the back of the speaker. That's the reason I didn't grab Harman Kardon Soundstick 3 before. But when come to think of it, I should have grab that HKS3. doh.gif Same price with Corsair SP 2500 that time and it's new unit. Where to find that deal now. doh.gif Well, I'm still new to audio and I gaming a lot that time so I prioritize my gaming. But now, I listening to music most of the time.
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Actually, ya using a better DAC will make ur speaker sound better. But the improvement of DAC is less if compared to speaker if the same amount of money is spend ^^ But its up to personal opinion and taste XD

Anyway, its not jz DAC tat will improve ur sound. U also need to setup ur music player to kernel streaming, position ur speaker accordingly and most important speaker isolation thumbup.gif U can go to my blog and listen to the track b4 and after i setup speaker isolation for my edifier C3 http://casualnfunentertainment.blogspot.co...-isolation.html
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post Jul 4 2013, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 4 2013, 10:36 AM)
Hey, the isolation really work. Really improve the sound. Hehe... But how come no photo of the speaker. Mind to share some photo here so I can get the idea.

Regarding Kernel Steaming:
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This component was originally written for Windows 2000 and Windows XP. It is not guaranteed to cooperate with newer versions of Windows.

Kernel Streaming is known to work on certain Windows Vista and Windows 7 configurations, but not with devices having WaveRT drivers such as High Definition Audio Devices integrated with newer motherboards - such devices simply won't be shown on foobar2000's output device list as available KS devices.

If you run Windows Vista, you should be using WASAPI instead in most cases.


So, is this the reason I didn't see Kernel Streaming in the output selection? Just Wasapi and ASIO. Wasapi make the player late respond a little. Is that normal? So far I enjoy using ASIO. What is DS BTW? Direct Sound?
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for the speaker isolation, it varies a lot so i am lazy to put the pic cause diff ppl hav diff method. but the basic is:

To make it short, speaker isolation is to isolate your speaker from touching unwanted surface. This is being done by putting some isolation product in between your speaker and the surface such as table or floor. It can be spikes, it can also be a block of wood or marble plates. Few types of isolation products can be setup together as long as it suit your listening taste

for the C3, due to budget limitation, i jz stick some spikes at the bottom and and jz put it on the table as usual. i also stick the spikes on my subwoofer as well and leave it on the floor. each of the spikes are around 2cm tall. if u hav more budget u can try put marble plate or other type of thing at the bottom and leave ur speaker with spike on it. u can refer to these pic in UD100 fb page for the look:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=522...&size=640%2C480

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=515...&size=800%2C598

i am running win 7 and am able to use kernel streaming wif UD100. i personally prefer kernel streaming over ASIO, jz personal preferences XD
ya DS is direct sound

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post Jul 4 2013, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 4 2013, 11:54 AM)
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And how come kernel streaming not available for me? doh.gif
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try follow the steps at here:
http://casualnfunentertainment.blogspot.co...-streaming.html

i cant really help u too much... cause tat C3 setup is half year ago... after finished setting it up and satisfied wif it, i gave it to other ppl together wif the UD100 and not at my disposable now...
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QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 4 2013, 03:25 PM)
Guys, for RM800 budget what suitable for music and gaming? I think I'm willing to spend RM1k max. To be spesific, music> gaming. Tried M50W before, not really impressive. Plus, the problem is the bass behind the sub so it's something I want to avoid. Acoustic Energy Aego M kinda attractive since they have subwoofer. I want to try something like Audioengine 2 or M Audio but I afraid that the bass are not satisfying for me.
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if u mean speaker, try edifier s730d. and the DAC i will choose hrt music streamer 2.
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post Jul 4 2013, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 4 2013, 03:43 PM)
Yup, speaker. biggrin.gif How about Aego M?
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never test it b4... so i m not really sure XD anyway how is ur UD100? able to do kernel streaming already?
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post Jul 4 2013, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jul 4 2013, 03:55 PM)
win7 no longer need to use kernel stream.
the new thing is called Windows Audio Stream API (WASAPI)
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i actually compare ASIO, kernel streaming and WASAPI using foobar for my DAC b4, i personally like kernel streaming.
mayb is my DAC limitation cause i heard WASAPI is working better wif SPDIF but my DAC is using usb cable for the audio transfer.
anyway it's up to personal preferences which 1 u like XD

QUOTE(diaBoliQu3 @ Jul 4 2013, 03:55 PM)
Yup. Listening with KS now. Just now DAC not connected. No wonder unable to use KS. doh.gif  laugh.gif Silly me. Well, for my SP 2500 (reference setting) ASIO seems like improve the bass. And no delay in player. While with Wasapi and KS, there's a tad delay with the player. Sound wise, KS SQ are better. The most obvious improvement is the clarity. And the bass are not too boomy but less power in bass oriented songs but I'm okay with that. Now listening to my Coldplay collection by speaker. thumbup.gif Will test with my headphone later. Thank you very much...
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ya, i actually like kernel streaming over wasapi and asio due to it's clarity of vocal and gud dynamic expression. does the bass feel like less power? i feel like the bass is better control and like it more XD

anyway, if u r eager to try out, u can try jplay http://jplay.eu/download/
u can download the free trial version and test it out first.
the price is a little steep, but if u do plan to own better audio stuffs later on and play using PC, it's a gud upgrade.

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