Let's talk about strategies, formations, tactics used in a football matches.

This post has been edited by gruntz99: Sep 13 2012, 05:40 PM


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Play 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 formation line up all the way in straight line with kangkang leg then pass ole style to score ~ YAY !

Many people seem underestimate the importance of strategies but actually this is where the ingredients of succes in football comes.

As Mourinho has said,

‘Look, if I have a triangle in midfield – Claude Makelele behind and two others just in front – I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. That’s because I will always have an extra man. It starts with Makelele, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other team’s wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop things’.

Talk about latest matches later, so busy now

Yes mourinho

I think in Malaysia, local coach only know using 4-4-2, not brave enough to try 4-2-3-1, or maybe false nine

maybe because malaysian players are too.. simple minded......

to play other tactics, you need to have the ability to think more than one thing at once..

Many local teams are using 1 lone striker right now.
With another one supporting the main striker.
It's not the matter whether the coach is brave or not..it's the matter of whether the player can accommodate to that tactic.

no use if wan to use false nine or whtever if players dont understand the role, not capable to put some strings of passes oso

plus dari kecik dah diajar main 4-4-2

even time aku train budak2 aku supaya full back sentiasa berhampiran dgn keeper sewaktu goal kick so they can collect the ball & play from behind..tapi dah mmg budaya & rasa cuak nervous tu dah lekat dari kecik..keeper akan hentam kuat2 & suruh midfield yg ketot2 berebut bola kat tgh.
tu aku suruh buat time frenly pun xleh nak buat..ye lah nothing to lose kan..
kalau tournament jgn harap lerr



This post has been edited by syazwan: Sep 11 2012, 07:24 PM

well it partly down to the player as well. most of them trained with standard 4-4-2 formation. there are few gaffers that are willing to use formations such as Haji Irfan Bakti,Bojan Hodak,even our U-23 coach,Mr Ong Kim Swee.

the advantage of 4-4-2 is that it offers versatility in width,midfield and forward,and,depending on the player chosen, can be switched from 4-5-1 to 4-2-4. as explained by Mr Roy Hogdson



http://www.uefa.com/trainingground/coaches...e#tg_formations

other advantage of 4-4-2 is that it utilize the advantage of having tandem striker.this is where wide midfielder(those who hug the byline more) become more effective than a winger in the mould of Nani.

in the end,it all about the player.even with exotic formations,if the players couldn't execute it,it's useless too.

I think strategies and formation apart, having a coach that can pinpoint oppositions weakneses and apply changes to gain advantage is what defines a quality team. Surely strenght of players are important as well but exploiting loopholes in opositions formation and tactics plays a big role.

442 used to be common ... when teams face off, you have the midfielders cancelling each other ... that means the player with the most time on the ball is the full backs ... that explains why offensive fullbacks are so valued ...

to counter that, teams started to push the fullbacks back by pushing the wingers up front ... the players at the sides cancel each other and no advantage can be obtained from the sides ...

now, the battle on the pitch moves to the center ... you have the standard creator - destroyer combo ... when 2 goes against 2, the better pair wins ... when 2 goes against 3, the 2 loses ... therefore, the team with the 2 midfield have to introduce another midfielder or the second striker have to drop back to even the odds ... that's how we get to the current style of 3 midfielders ...

of course, you have people who try to out think the rest by fielding false 9 instead of a regular forward ... the most prominent is barca/spain ... it is possible that will be the future of football ... i hope not, coz that's a boring future ...


442 with a flat midfield line is pretty much dead ... if you have only 3 bands, there are too much space between the lines to be exploited ...

nowadays, it's either a "2 dm 442" (less space between the lines) or a 4411 (second striker drop off when not in possession) ...

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btw, box to box midfielders is dead

This post has been edited by spursfan: Sep 12 2012, 07:07 PM

for me, the best formation right now is 4-2-3-1 because I love when 2 defensive midfield in team because the others 4 players will have so much freedom to attack.

Yess, 4-2-3-1 (could be modified 4-4-2 or 4-3-3) is a good strategy allowing 2 holding midfielder to defend and at the same time two fullback go forward helping attack. Real Madrid used this almost all matches last season with great success.

This post has been edited by gruntz99: Sep 13 2012, 04:56 PM

3-2-1-2-1-1
3 cb
2 wb
1 dcm
2 md with one att mid
1 forward

This is the best strategy.

4-1-3-2 diablo was the best ever for me.

What is 4 1 3 2 diablo?? Got murcialago?

basically this


north korea is best korea

edit: this tactic sucks

This post has been edited by spursfan: Sep 13 2012, 07:14 PM

This is the formation used by Zac Japan.

They have been raping lesser Asian teams completely by using this formation...

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Added on September 13, 2012, 7:33 pmKagawa, Honda and Okazaki behind Tanadari Lee/Havenaar.

Not to mention the highly dangerous Nagatomo, roaming back and forth in the wing ala Roberto Carlos...

This post has been edited by Icahn: Sep 13 2012, 07:33 PM

Lol wtf. Is this north or south korean formation? And when was this? Why does this tactic suck

Looking at this, it does seems like its a very good formation lol.

you're flooding the defence at the expence of midfield

basically you're only playing at the third half with the formation

it's basically catenagio or catenaccio.

highly successful for Italy previously and greece otto rehagel in 2004

north korea's formation in wc2010

2-1 vs brazil in the first match ... looks like it'll work

then 7-0 vs portugal ...


greece played with a back 4 in 2004

This post has been edited by spursfan: Sep 14 2012, 08:36 AM

This is AJAX formation way back in 90s

there are 2 big issues with the north korea formation

1. no width for attacks. transitions from defense to attack is hard because players in advanced positions are narrow when defending.

2. when you play against teams with only 1 striker, you are overmanned in defense. that results in less players for attack. strategies going forward becomes limited.

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the ajax in 1995 (van gaal) is very different compared to the north korean formation.

1. for starters, it was more of a 1-2-1-2-3-1.

2. instead of 3 central defenders, van gaal fielded 2 central defenders and a libero.

3. wingers

4. van gaal did not use any fullbacks. instead, the central midfielders were tasked to track the opposition wingers.

5. van gaal's attacking midfielder (the center of the 3) helped out in midfield when '4.' happens. north korea's guy was more of a trequartitsta. he didn't have any defensive duties.

here's an article written exactly 2 years ago (a coincidence) on ajax's strategy vs ac milan http://timhi.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/ajax-1995/

catenaccio is not just abt how many defence u have etc etc

Catenaccio, the Greek way
http://www.eamonn.com/2004/07/catenaccio_the_greek_way_1.htm


http://italy.worldcupblog.org/italy/the-catenaccio-myth.html

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Added on September 14, 2012, 9:16 pmif u dont have quality players upfront..why bother to follow others?

good coaches should know what's the best for the team according to what they have.
Rajagobal certainly didnt use Tiki Taka or false no.9 because we dont have players who can pass the ball well

if it works for them(N.Korea) until they qualify to World Cup..means the tactic works well with them..(altho kena belasah big goals vs Portugal)

This post has been edited by syazwan: Sep 14 2012, 09:16 PM

i'm not familiar with the catenaccio ... what is it's characteristics? ... what differentiates it from other defensive systems?


that's true ... i don't have the quality of my opponent. i might as well roll over and die. - this line does not exist in sports.

Actually the last catenaccio style used in major match was Greece in 2004 when they won the Euro at the time. Sweeper played a role here. Defensive football doesn't mean it's a catenaccio we used to know way back to 60's and 70's. They not restricted to single formation but probably best known for a sweeper operated just in front of goalkeeper and behind four defender and closing the opponent down with man-marking (sometimes double marking) system it is used with great succes by Helenio Herrera that guided Inter to Sirie A titles and European cups. But later Total Futball by Ajax gave blow to this kind of catenaccio.

This post has been edited by gruntz99: Sep 16 2012, 03:49 PM


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i am so confused

you tell me it's sweeper behind 4 defender ... but your diagram got oni 1 guy behind 3

plus, according to zonalmarking, it looks more like a standard back 4 ...



even if the 2 cd is played as 1 with man marking and another to cover, that's just like a normal CD pairing (vidic - ferdinand) ... unless, u call a ball playing defender a sweeper ...

how is that catenaccio? ... i tarak faham liao ...

This post has been edited by spursfan: Sep 16 2012, 06:37 PM

No, what I mean is catenaccio have a sweeper whatever formation it takes, the picture above use four defenders with ONE SWEEPER operating behind the three defenders and just in front of goalkeeper. There is also 5-3-2 formation used which five defenders but one sweeper behind them cleaning all the ball while the other four man marking the opponents.

Actually sweeper role don't really exist today. Because the man marking system MARKED certain player (Four example in the catenaccio system the right CD only the striker while the left CD) so tight but the normal defender today just mark in the zonal.

This post has been edited by gruntz99: Sep 16 2012, 06:55 PM

the zonal marking pictars look more like a cd pair instead of cd - sweeper ... since the match was from 8 years ago, i dun think i can remember the positioning of the defenders ... so, i'll just trust zonalmarking ...

sweeper died because of the offside rule ... kinda hard to setup offside trap if there is a sweeper behind the defenders ...