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Havoc Knightmare
post Dec 22 2018, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 21 2018, 10:15 AM)
our ECC is $13...!!! thats drastic. whats the news? no dividend?
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The leveraged loans market is on a meltdown, together with junk bonds eventhough the investment grade and government bonds are rallying.. on a more relevant and a related note, the same thing has been going on with the SREIT space. High quality REITs have generally rallied while those with weaker fundamentals have been sold down sharply. This points to large institution investors positioning for a much weaker economic situation in 2019, hence why they are dumping the more vulnerable REITs/assets for the stronger/defensive ones. This is commonly known as "flight to quality/safety".

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post Dec 28 2018, 09:44 AM

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https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-...pel-kbs-us-reit

Woohoo!
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post Jan 1 2019, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 28 2018, 05:49 PM)
Good for us who boarded the  train. The question is which manager will be better?  Keppel-KBS or Manulife?
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Manulife seems to have been brand recognition.. and it has a large weight in some REIT ETFs in Singapore to my surprise. It has a 5.9% weight in the Lion-Phillip S-REIT ETF, larger than some of the established names like Parkway and Mapletree REITs. In terms of management, only time will tell.. but both have undertaken non-accretive deals which is a strong negative to me. But for me, the main reason why I've been staying away from Manulife is because it has alot more exposure in California as compared to Keppel-KBS, and apparently California is overdue for a major earthquake. I might be acting paranoid over this, but I sleep better without bearing such a risk that I am unable to gauge.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 28 2018, 06:02 PM)
But price did not move up much,.... after this supposedly good news,....
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It's snapped back quite a bit.. heading back up again. Probably not enough institutional investors who are around during the last week of December to push it up in a big way biggrin.gif
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post Jan 1 2019, 08:24 AM

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Anyway, Happy New Year guys! I've decided to start a blog sharing some of my research that I do prior to buying a stock, which I spend days or sometimes even weeks. Since SREITs feature heavily in my portfolio, there will be a focus on this segment, although it will cover REITs and stocks across Malaysia, Singapore and Hong Kong. Since 2019 looks volatile, SREITs should still be a safe haven for us. Would appreciate any feedback guys.

https://reality-inversion.blogspot.com/

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post Jan 5 2019, 03:22 PM

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Falling bond yields, slowing economic growth but not an outright recession is a perfect recipe for a REIT rally.. 2019 might be the year for REITs. I will continue to stay fully invested in SREITs!
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post Jan 8 2019, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Jan 7 2019, 03:32 PM)
Not  really a REIT, but i am thinking of loading up Netlink NBN Trust.  Any thoughts?
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This is just my opinion, but I haven't seen any non-real estate trust that has done well in the long term. All those listed in Singapore seem to be on a long term downward trend. My guess is because the assets are depreciating assets and some are also vulnerable to obsolescence over time. APTT is a good example. I sure would like to be proven wrong with Netlink though.
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post Jan 8 2019, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Jan 8 2019, 02:31 PM)
Thank you for sharing your observations and these may be true for most non-reits. 
Netlink is the only non-reit that I intend to hold as they are the sole appointed network company for Spore's next generation nationwide broadband network.  Granted it is fairly new established in 2017, there is not much of historical data on its performance but nonetheless I believe given its monopolistic  dominant market share, it could work well for them.
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Yes, the fact that Singtel is backing it makes me believe that this has potential. I understand that Singtel was forced to divest of this profitable asset due to government regulations trying to reduce monopolistic influence in utilities. I think it will do well for a few years but obsolescence due to 5G might be a threat as bro Hansel has pointed out.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 8 2019, 03:57 PM)
Yes,... I noticed this too,... Trusts don't seem to do well in SGX,... today, there is only one trust that looks to me to be doing okay - that's Keppel Infra Trust (KIT). Unit price does not seem to grow much, but it does not drop too.

Dpu is stable, paid 4 times a year,....
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 8 2019, 04:03 PM)
For KIT, this trust has huge assets in cable infrastructures. Such assets undergo huge amt of depreciation counts. The EPU will be dragged down, and as the years go by, the EPU will be lower than the DPU.

EPU has nothing to do with cashflow, hence, even if EPU drops, DPU can stay, due to strong cashflow.

But what happens when the assets depreciate till $0 ??
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Yes KIT seems to be doing relatively better than most other trusts out there. But I still believe that an investment in a good quality would have posted some capital gains. After all, it is a bit tough for those assets such as pipes and cables to appreciate in value the same way real estate does right? To me, I would require to be fairly compensated for bearing this risk, in the form of higher dividend yield.

I'm not sure if KIT's assets can be depreciated to $0 anytime soon, because it depends on the accounting method utilized. These assets are generally depreciated to reflect the tenure of the leases, which is the case for highway operators who depreciate their highways to reflect the remaining tenure of the concession agreement, rather than the condition of the highway. So the value might approach $0 just as the lease of the asset is about to expire, which is realistically correct biggrin.gif

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post Jan 8 2019, 09:18 PM

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I just did a write up on Parkway Life REIT on my blog, just to share with you guys biggrin.gif


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post Jan 10 2019, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Jan 10 2019, 05:08 AM)
Havoc Knightmare

Great job on writing a blog on your investment thoughts, particularly on S-REITs.  thumbup.gif
Could you please share a list of S-REITs that you invest in?

The dividend of Parkway Life REIT is about 4.84%, so you must have invested in riskier S-REITs with 8% or more dividend yield, such as industrial S-REITs.

Thank you for sharing the information.  notworthy.gif
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Thanks for the support.

I have avoided industrial S-REITs for years already due to the issue of negative rental reversion and oversupply in the space. If you have been following my posts here, you will see that recently I bought Keppel KBS and Cromwell when their price plunged following their respective rights issue. I also hold Sasseur and EC World as well. But S-REITs are only half my portfolio. The other half is in HK dividend stocks with similar yield 7-8%. The trade war actually turned the HKSE into a playground full of high yielding stocks.. some good names are trading at PE ratios of 5-6X only. biggrin.gif

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post Jan 10 2019, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 10 2019, 09:00 AM)
Care to share some HK stocks too?  biggrin.gif
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I'm holding the big banks. ABC and ICBC but no real preference between the big 4 to me. They are trading at 5-6x PE and paying out 6% dividend yield. Profits and dividends are still growing at 5%. Not exciting, but if you compare it with Maybank trading at 13x PE and growing at a slower of similar rate, the Chinese banks look very cheap. The big banks have provisioned massively for a spike in bad loans, some have argued too conservatively, so I'm not too worried about the big banks if the economy slows further. Smaller banks I wouldn't touch.

I'm currently working on a blog post on China Aircraft Leasing Company (1848), it's quite a decent growth story and dividend yield is expected to reach 9% in 2019 based on current price. I'll share it with you guys once it's ready smile.gif
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post Jan 10 2019, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 10 2019, 10:06 AM)
Thanks mate.

Wonder why the Chnese banks are given such high premiums????
Bad loans may be the trigger in the Chinese economy demise.
Are these banks the red shares in the HK market?
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The big banks are relatively conservative. The explosion in lending over the years has been due to shadow banking, which is the insurance firms, asset management and other non banking companies that came into the banking sector and start acting as banks. If you Google up on the shadow banking sector, you can see that the government has been clamping down on that which will benefit the big banks, which is why I invested into them. In the banking sector, bigger is better, so the big boys will tend to win out in the long run. They will fare better in a crisis and have the means to swallow weaker rivals.

The major downside to these big banks is that the government uses them as part of policy making, meaning that they have to engage in 'national service' such as support the currency and etc that may hurt profitability. But their profits have been growing decently over the years.

They are known as H shares, not red chips.
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post Jan 10 2019, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 10 2019, 12:20 PM)
Good write-up, bro HM,....

How do you buy the SG and HK shares please ?
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Thanks.. I buy both markets using StanChart Singapore. For certain shares that they don't permit like Keppel KBS I use FSMOne.

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post Jan 11 2019, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 10 2019, 01:19 PM)
Good plan there, to use SCB, SG,.... Cheapest brokerage out there in the SGX universe,....

You said a good entity should have capital gain, but Netlink NBN Trust does not have capital gain too,.... till now at least,... how do you perceive this then ??
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Yes I'm happy with SCB except for their restriction on the USD SREIT counters..

Since I don't expect much, if any capital gains for netlink, I expect to be paid a higher dividend yield compared to a normal REIT where some property price appreciation can be expected (very subjective but property prices generally appreciate with rental rates, I think everyone can agree on that at least). But I think as long as the revenue and profits are growing for the next few years, the share price should do OK. Beyond that it really depends if the technology becomes obsolete. I keep thinking of APTT and how they are becoming obsolete with internet TV streaming.
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post Jan 13 2019, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Jan 11 2019, 04:34 AM)
Ok, thank you very much for sharing your selection of S-REITs and HK stocks, Havoc Knightmare.  notworthy.gif
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You're welcome. smile.gif

My simple framework for screening dividend stocks.

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post Jan 15 2019, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jan 14 2019, 06:41 PM)
https://financialhorse.com/capitaland-ascen...Xk0C9IL20akClRE
A buy B... so,have extra work to read, research again to digest..!!! haiz..
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I don't expect much, if any changes for capitaland or ascendas REITs. It will make a difference for the parent company capitaland since they are enlarging their operations.
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post Jan 16 2019, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 16 2019, 12:13 AM)
Will Capitaland form a REIT from the acquisition of ASB ?
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Don't really expect so since they will be getting 3 REITs along with the acquisition already. They might have more assets from Ascendas to inject into their own REITs though, which could be a good or bad thing. Since some of the rights issues carried out over the past years haven't really benefited existing unitholders.
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post Jan 20 2019, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 10 2019, 09:00 AM)
Care to share some HK stocks too?  biggrin.gif
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Just posted up my analysis of CALC (1848)

https://reality-inversion.blogspot.com/2019...ng-Company.html

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post Jan 29 2019, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jan 29 2019, 11:44 AM)
what happen to CROMWELL?
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One of the larger shareholders, Cerberus sold it's entire stake in Cromwell at 0.455 cents overnight. The company is a private equity of sorts, so its exit may not really mean much in terms of the fundamentals of the REITs.
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post Jan 30 2019, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jan 30 2019, 02:15 PM)
CNNU CromwellReit EUR    0.47

CSFU CromwellReit SGD  0.725

whats difference? i saw in MKE.
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They are the same, but the SGD one has next to no liquidity.
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post Jan 31 2019, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jan 30 2019, 09:59 AM)
triggered my interest. its 10% yield?

got cromwell euro and comwell sgd listed. whats the difference?

now makes me wonder my IREIT payout is in what currency? coz with DBS VICKERS its auto converted to sgd.
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SGD. The REIT hedges the currency 12 months forward.

Coincidentally I just did a piece on IREIT. Very good long term outlook.

http://reality-inversion.blogspot.com/2019...EIT-Global.html

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 30 2019, 08:00 PM)
Thanks for the head up.
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No problem.

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