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Ramjade
post Apr 5 2017, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 5 2017, 12:37 PM)
About 3-4 years ago, I wanted to mortgage my property, take loan and dump into Malaysia Reits. It is a form of margin also...

At last minute, decided against it.

If I have done it, my gains will be huge today (from extra dividend and capital gains)..equivalent to getting a FOC property.. blush.gif
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Actually taking personal loan from SG bank and dump into reits ok or not? After all SG loans are almost 0% interest. Got this idea from lippo. Took loan from SG, went and buy property in Indon due to very low interest in SG vs indon.
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post Apr 5 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Apr 5 2017, 12:49 PM)
who says personal loan is almost 0%

from what I see even bank offer like 10% p.a.
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Hmmm. You are right. Wonder how did Lippo did it. hmm.gif
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post Apr 5 2017, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Apr 5 2017, 12:57 PM)
they offer bond?

singapore gov also do that, 10 years currently offer 2.32% p.a.

better than FD in market
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From what I read about lippo, they took loans from SG to buy indon property.
Reason cited:lower interest rate in SG vs Indon bank
Ramjade
post Apr 5 2017, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 5 2017, 03:18 PM)
Yes, bro,... forex risks is very dangerous,... my RMs told me to borrow in the USD earlier, saying the loan interest rate is almost zero, and then can use the funds to buy other higher-yielding assets. I said no,.. cos, soon the time will come when the Feds will think of pushing up the cash rate again. The time has come today.

...but then, having said the above, some trades with forex risks have paid off too,... in my case, borrowing in JPY but earning in the AUD,... the carry trade. I'm taking on one more risk today with the JPY's low interest rate - investing into Croesus Retail Trust.

Actually, one should try borrowing in SGD to buy higher-yielding, stable SREITs.... my calculation keeps saying this is workable,...

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Lippo group have already proved this point. laugh.gif
Ramjade
post Apr 5 2017, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 5 2017, 03:46 PM)
Bro,... why are you benchmarking with Lippo Group ? LG has a lot of collaterals and transactions that we don't....

Anyway,... don't forget interest rates are rising now. ...
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Why? Because this particular line caught my eye and proved that it could be done.
Only applicable if interest rate was low.
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post Apr 5 2017, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 5 2017, 08:33 PM)
What if we take personal loan of RM50K (let say) and buy Sg reits ? Just pay d installment for the MY personal loan and earning Sg dividend.
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Could work with eg cash advance. Then perform 0% balance transfer here and there. The condition is must have continuous 0% balance transfer plan. If such condition exist, can literally pay nothing for 2 years.
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post Apr 5 2017, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 5 2017, 09:25 PM)
where got 0% balance transfer ? usually it requires us to keep for some time tongue.gif nothing is free in this world.
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From what I know, affin bank, maybank have 6 months 0% balance transfer plan.

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post Apr 5 2017, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 5 2017, 10:00 PM)
Soooo difficult.. just open margin account only lar tongue.gif
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Apa susah. Ambil cash advance. Dump into s-reit. Before due date, do a 6 months 0% balance transfer. Nearing 6 months find another bank do 6% months balance transfer. If after this 1 year period, original bank still got 0% 6 months balance transfer can transfer back and start again. tongue.gif

It's merry go round and if merry go round stops, juat pay back the borrowed money tongue.gif. Earn dividend + appreciation of SGD.
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post Apr 5 2017, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 5 2017, 10:33 PM)
I will check with the bank first.

Still thinking to take personal loan with SC Msia. Interest less than 5%.
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Got this idea from Mr Stingy.
www.mr-stingy.com/how-i-paid-off-my-58k-education-loan/

Personal loan need to pay interest. Balance transfer zero payment. tongue.gif

Do update us if this work.
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post Apr 5 2017, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Apr 5 2017, 11:02 PM)
wow!! Breaking Petronas.... not something ppl blog often on websites...

I can't believe someone worked with Petronas couldn't save RM 35k in 5 years.... hmm.gif
that's RM7k per year, RM 600 per month.

He should be able to save more during the first 2 years with Petronas.
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He stop his Petronas contract early. Decided to go for a lesser paid job.

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post Apr 5 2017, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Apr 5 2017, 11:48 PM)
my local stocks' brokerage fee is 0.1% or mininum RM8, not 0.42%. smile.gif

btw, how to access the live Singapore stocks trading platform? Need to pay a subscription fee to iTrade right?

need to pay extra fees to maintain the multi-currency account right?? I remember they charge USD$4 per transaction in multi currency accounts in Maybank and HSBC.

actually I've seen a couple of fee-free money transfer from Malaysia to Singapore, as long as it's the same bank. For example, Maybank (M) to Maybank (S'pore) or CIMB (M) to CIMB(S'pore). Not sure if it's still the case now.
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Come. I will answer your question.
1) Live SG price, use google finance. It's real life and it's free. If you have DBS Vickers, UOB Kay Hian it's also free. Not sure about OCBC
2) Multi currency in SG is free provided you don't fall below their min requirement. Usually SGD3k. Some banks min USD1k or equivalent. Best part is you can topup using foreign cash (USD/HKD/etc) but pay service charge of 1-1.5% for each transaction.
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post Apr 6 2017, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Apr 6 2017, 07:50 AM)
Congrats....finally  thumbup.gif
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Lol

QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 6 2017, 08:35 AM)
Maybank (M) to Maybank (S'pore) or CIMB (M) to CIMB(S'pore).

where got free????
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Yes. Free. You only pay RM10.60 from malaysia side. No additional agent fees. However if use maybank, kena charge extra sgd10 doh.gif

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 6 2017, 08:48 AM)
This is similar to the carry trades in forex.

Borrow in low interest Yen and invest in other higher yirlding currencies
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That's what cause the americans to burn themselves (flipping houses)

QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 6 2017, 10:06 AM)
Why wanna bank in physical foreign currency notes? Can you transfer to your Sgd acc and exchanged to respective foreign currency that you wish but of coz the exchange rate is unfavourable.
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For small amount, it's cheaper to bank in foreign notes as it's cheaper. Alternatively, can ask moneychanger in SG to do a remittance to your bank account. Even cheaper than bank. But going this route will caise 2x exchange loss. RM > SGD > whatever foreign currency.

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post Apr 6 2017, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 6 2017, 10:19 AM)
CIMB M to CIMB SG... only 10.60?

no agent fee deductions from Sg side?
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Should be. I never initiate a transfer yet. But agent fees usually happen if you send to different bank.
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post Apr 7 2017, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 7 2017, 01:44 AM)
Hopefully reits will start to reverse gear, bank of india did a surprise tightening of the repo market sending short term rates up. Thailand says might do the same soon.

Fed minutes show that, they are not just raising interest rate, but they want to start selling their 4.5 trillion of bonds they are holding. This will affect bond prices more than rate increase.

Germany is having a spat with ECB on the stimulus, germany wants to reduce the ECB stimulus as soon as possible.

Cream on the crop will be if SGD monetary policy appreaciate higher. smile.gif
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Good point. But I think will need more than that to convince a bull market to sell reits.
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post Apr 10 2017, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 10 2017, 01:03 PM)
i am adding AIMS & maybe Starhill...

how about u?
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I will wait. Aims next year sure free fall. 20% lease expiring.
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post Apr 10 2017, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 10 2017, 02:05 PM)
Got 2 new BTS building lor.. never consider that?  tongue.gif
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Still market can act irrational considering it's is 20% whistling.gif
When will the 2 BTS be ready?
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post Apr 10 2017, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 10 2017, 02:23 PM)
One this year (30-32 tuas west, TOP achieved in Dc 2016, expected completed in Jan-Feb2017) - master lease CWT, should start contributing soon.

End 2017 (8&10 tuas ave 20) - Redevelopment, multi tenant

2018 (Marsiling Lane) - New BTS to Beyonics for 5+5 years masterlease.

New property (which cost already input) = higher income in future   rclxms.gif

And the 20%.. it is expire only mah. They still have plenty of time to find new tenants.  tongue.gif 

For example, 12% of their masterlease to be expired in 2017 (20 Gul way), they already found tenant for it and successfully leased out.

I say the management is doing a fantastic job..Also this REIT mostly build their own building, no buying overpriced property from sponsor.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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So wise to wait or buy now? hmm.gif Cause still oversupply right? Oversupply means cannot charge higher rent, tenant can choose other place with cheaper rents.

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post Apr 10 2017, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 10 2017, 02:39 PM)
BTS and masterlease on long term.. yes there are risk, but it also depend on the management.  tongue.gif

I cannot tell the future if they can or cannot rent out their properties..  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Damn tongue.gif
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post Apr 11 2017, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 11 2017, 03:37 PM)
the question now is... Should be think of selling instead of buying?

This level is like mid last year pricing.. then after that year end all came tumbling down...
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If the reits don't hit the price I want, I tunggu...

QUOTE(gark @ Apr 11 2017, 03:38 PM)
All the reit also go crazy liao..  dry.gif
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Look other counters. laugh.gif
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post Apr 12 2017, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 12 2017, 04:07 PM)
today SINGTEL price drop if u are interested...
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Trying to queue at 3.79 tak dapat. Push it up to 3.8 also tak dapat. Saw some SG queue at 3.77 blink.gif

Btw, aim drop to 1.38. Maybe can collect.

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