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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU
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chaukeng
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Sep 14 2012, 05:02 PM
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im also from Michael Owen time!!! I watched the video posted here bout hillsborough one and got abit sad until the two ladies in the end spoke with their scouse accent. No disrespect to anyone but its like listening to Gerrard and Carra. Its the same!! the Hart guy also. Im still young and i knew nothing bout the incident previously. But now i do.
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chaukeng
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Sep 16 2012, 12:30 AM
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looks very very weird having red colour socks in our away jersey.
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Sep 24 2012, 12:20 AM) If you see it, report it. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to be going through 10 - 20 pages to find who said what. excuse me, if someone from the other thread posted this 'always the victims' (the chant by man utd fans at the dw stadium which was widely condemned ) Is it harsh enough for me to press the report button? Looks like he is insulting all liverpool fans and the dead. This post has been edited by chaukeng: Sep 24 2012, 12:46 AM
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Sep 24 2012, 12:47 AM) You've got a point with that. Let me discuss with The Whacker, etc and see what the consensus is. To be fair, there're lots of comments criticising that are borderline as well on both sides which have been left untouched. My fear is that if I come in too strong, then there would be no discussion left in the forums. My focus now is on trolling and direct insults as these are not grey areas. im fine with name calling and criticising, even my girlfriend does that and call me liverfool or liverpui all the time. But i guess this issue is nowhere near what's happening on the pitch, its way over. It doesn't seems to be a footballing issues anymore ain't it? Looks like some people personal hatred has gone far beyond rationale.
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(sk41 @ Sep 24 2012, 01:07 AM) Please educate yourself, "Always the victim" chants wasn't meant for Hillsborough No derby for gentle souls» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « The furore over United fans’ recent Liverpool ‘chant’ tells us the depth that tribal rivalries run in football ON the surface, it looks like a standard blogger rant on a Manchester United fans website. Someone called Scott The Red seemed to be defending the Stretford End’s right to abuse Liverpool football club as they see fit.
WITH Hillsborough once again a huge story, it wouldn’t be a good thing to see the most popular Manchester |United fansite pumping rocket fuel onto an already crackling debate.
The Republik of Mancunia, unlike many other fansites, has a lick of organisation to it and a long list of bloggers and blogs which attract the kind of debate you expect on a message board.
Most ordinary mortals would find the content of the blog hard to fathom. History and tradition play a huge part in the interaction between rival clubs and incidents which may have barely registered in the real world are still parsed and debated ferociously when they have long since faded from the public consciousness.
Without foreknowledge of the depth of bitterness which exists between hardcore Liverpool and Manchester United supporters, it could easily be perceived as a mildly deranged polemic written by someone with too much time on his hands.
When you’re arguing over the fine points of whether a chant painting Luis Suarez as a racist b****** is legitimate and doesn't relate to Hillsborough, as was widely suggested after Manchester United’s game against Wigan, you’re in a place where those with a delicate constitution should not walk.
But Scott The Red has a point. The real issue at stake here is whether a fan is entitled to give full vent to what he considers a legitimate grievance but the rest of the world would stamp with an X-rating and that those who read Hillsborough into every anti-Liverpool chant are misreading the situation.
All the key players in Sunday’s big game have bent over backwards to fall into line with a more general plea to fans to tone down the chanting.
At the heart of that is the universal grief felt by everyone who was alive to watch Hillsborough unfold in all its horror and a deep empathy with the families who lost loved ones in Leppings Lane.
Acceptable
But the debate about what is acceptable and what is not at a football ground is a separate one. Fans will chant and throw miscellaneous abuse towards the opposition on the day or if they’re bored, historic targets feel the brunt.
For many years, a hardcore rump of Ireland fans liked to belt out a few |standard ballads about the IRA when the action on the pitch was poor.
Nobody ever asked them to stop and it seemed like part of the furniture until the world moved on and the chants faded into irrelevancy. That was international football and in this case, they did go away.
But club football’s intensely tribal nature means that many old wounds linger untreated and mainly because nobody feels the need for healing.
They actually revel in their mutual loathing and as long as that is contained within the four stands of a football stadium and internet message boards, it has always been deemed acceptable to the rest of the world.
Not any more, it would seem. Politicans have jumped on the issue in the wake of the Hillsborough report and another red herring flops around on the table while the families wonder will anyone ever be punished for the big crimes committed on that terrible day?
To quote Scott The Red: “Four minutes into Manchester United’s 4-0 win over Wigan, the Stretford End starting singing the Luis Suarez “racist b******” chant. The chant that followed was “always the victims, it’s never their fault”. This is a standard occurrence at
Old Trafford and United’s away games, dating back to almost a year ago following Liverpool FC’s refusal to accept that Luis Suarez was guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra.
“These two songs have been sung every week, not by a quiet minority but by thousands of United fans. It is also sung by Everton fans who have been widely praised for their respectful behaviour ahead of their game against Newcastle this week.
“Whilst it was Liverpool’s reaction to Suarez’s guilt that led to the creation of the song, there are deeper meanings behind it. It’s likely that some people singing it are purely referring to Suarez but I’d guess the vast majority are referring to the nature of Scousers in general. The stereotype being that they are a whining, grief-hungry bunch of victims, who revel in self-pity and aren’t prepared to take responsibility for their own actions.”
His central point is valid. The chanting about Suarez stands alone and is not relevant to Hillsborough, but it is still a perverse view of reality which can only be explained by Scott the Red’s devotion to Manchester United and the bitter rivalry which has existed for decades between the two cities.
Hatred
It may be wrong and, to some, even sick and twisted, but such hatred between teams and cities exists all over the world. Townlands and parishes across Ireland are steeped in tribal disputes and rivalries run street by street in Junior soccer.
It’s in our genes and remains a strong imperative which has survived the gentrification of what was once an annual rolling riot in a mud bath, lubricated by firewater and beer, but has become a (mostly) non-violent, ritualistic 90-minute confrontation on and off the pitch so that injuries are kept to a minimum.
Remove fan rivalry from competitive sport and you remove a big part of the attraction.
Of course, it has a dark side and we may see some of that at Anfield on Sunday but even when fans are at their most cruel, there is humour.
Can anyone say they didn’t laugh when they heard the one about one-time Rangers goalkeeper Andy Goram who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and had to listen to “Two Andy Gorams, there’s only two Andy Gorams” at an Old Firm derby.
Not nice if you are afflicted with schizophrenia but a perfect example of how fans often mention the unmentionable for the greatest impact. A football ground has never been a place for gentle souls.
- Paul Hyland  i educate myself with its likely and i'd guess. or as if this line, 'The stereotype being that they are a whining, grief-hungry bunch of victims, who revel in self-pity and aren’t prepared to take responsibility for their own actions' , wasn't bad enough.
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 01:27 AM
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haha. I always try to avoid this thread after a defeat since normally there will be alot of bashing towards the managers and players. And people will come calling for who who who head lah, asking to drop who and play who and whine here whine there lah. But today seems to be different. We seems to be more appreciative, more supportive of other's ideas and views, prolly due to the reason most of us felt hard done by the referee?
There were reports before saying what Mourinho always did with his team was he will always create a situation where he will make his team feels like the whole world is against them, this way they will be more unite and resolute.
Afterall, like what many people said, we are still in a transition period. If anyone can guarantee me that Liverpool can climb and reach to the top again in the next 15 to 20 years, i would take it with both hands. Because i guess we are definitely that much behind.
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Sep 24 2012, 01:11 AM) I know what you mean. The problem is that if we allow all that insulting stuff to go on, there will be incidents where half the posts in the thread will be nothing but arguments and name calling. Especially after match days. Where's the value in that? Banter can be fun, but not everyone will be able to take it maturely and it sure isn't fun if there is nothing but insults in a thread with no discussions. Noted. Let me discuss this with the other mods and we'll see. Alright. Its always a nice touch to even making the effort in replying to our complaints. Its just that your 'im a devil' banner makes me feel a little bit uneasy.  Btw, the related person has deleted the post. But that's that? Because i see another one coming out with the same post now. This post has been edited by chaukeng: Sep 24 2012, 01:36 AM
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 02:23 AM
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http://twitter.yfrog.com/06u5tokbgkvoblxqnlkupfhjzHow bout this one??? 'Murderers...murderers' Not related to hillsborough still??
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 11:24 AM
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post it here in case it follows like the first one where he already remove his post (scared?) Attached thumbnail(s)
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 01:49 PM
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i dun buy tolerance for the post 'always the victim'.
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2012, 01:55 PM) What to do? They are "always the big bully". If they win with superiority, they will taunt us that we are lousy. If they win dirty, they will taunt us with "always the victim". If they lose, however we play, we are always the guilty party and most particular blame will be on Suarez for diving. That's how they have scripted their mindset. There's no changing it. I mean at least those two people who posted these should be punished by the admin. These has absolutely nothing to do with football on the pitch. IF Suarez receives severe punishment for being a racist, mocking the dead should be something 10 times more serious. The fact that no one over there reprimanded them nor mention anything about this issue shows their guilty conscience.
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2012, 02:06 PM) It's not shocking my friend. Over the years, how many times MU got away with everything. They are the big brother. Their fans are also the big brother. Other teams exist to provide them a bigger triumph while songwriters will write about their glories for years as we watch our past glories fading away. It's like watching a horror movie year after year. No matter what i hope i can track these two peoples until they are punished for what they deserves.
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chaukeng
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Sep 24 2012, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 24 2012, 02:25 PM) What exactly was posted? I don't read crap hence I don't visit their thread much. In any case, I wonder if the two even understood the significance of what they posted, whatever it was. In fact they only posted 'always the victims',  something very sensitive recently. This post has been edited by chaukeng: Sep 24 2012, 02:31 PM
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chaukeng
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Sep 25 2012, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(drogbaCl @ Sep 25 2012, 12:45 PM) what a shame. They are indirectly mocking at their own team. It seems to me as though fans of theirs dun really love the club. They just jump on the successful bandwagon, claim the club's glory and uses it to laugh at others.
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chaukeng
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Sep 25 2012, 04:31 PM
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liverpool fc @ the food talk thread. Or else this place is always very quiet on weekdays one. This post has been edited by chaukeng: Sep 25 2012, 04:31 PM
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