What a load of crock. This chant has been around from before the Suarez incident. Educate ourselves indeed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/se...l-victim-chants

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Added on September 24, 2012, 8:58 amEvans went in studs showing. Jonjo didn't. Duh

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Note that mancs started singing right after the match kicked off. A grand total of TWO Liverpool fans retaliated and the whole manc stand then started signing. Yeah, start it and when you get hit back, you go crying.

Well that's a little overboard if you ask me. Sure he made some really bad decisions but its not worth his life. Cancer is a serious issue.

The article also said it was the mancs who started goading us during the 13th minute of the game and that all of two Liverpool supporters stayed back to retaliate. Two lads is hardly a mob or in this sense, the away end. Pathetic trying to pin this on us. Don't expect any less though.

As referee, Halsey is obligated to award a penalty only if he is absolutely sure beyond all reasonable doubt that there was an infringement. The same applies when you send someone off. Valencia had apparently been fouled by the grass which is why the penalty was awarded. Explains why Johnson wasn't carded because he would have been sent off had he brought down a player bearing down on goal. Given that the blade of grass wasn't on Fergie's team sheet however, Mark Halsey could not issue a card.

Jonjo Shelvey was sent off because of the fine print in the rule that no one reads. That is, if you happen to injure yourself while making a reckless challenge, you get sympathy from the ref and will be exonerated from punishment. Shelvey has only himself to blame for not clutching his foot when it made contact with the bottom of Evan's boot. Had Shelvey done so, both players would have been given some TLC and told to play on.

It isn't mere coincidence that Gerrard played better because he was playing a more withdrawn role with Shelvey playing ahead of him. It's something a few of us wanted to see during pre-season. Good decision by Rodgers here.

I'd like refs to be accountable as well. With so much riding on the game, they really should be more perceptive. However FIFFa is doing them no favours by this far refusing to provide them with any other aid other than the four official. Seriously, how effective is another pair of eyes without the benefit of slow option replays? Makes games harder to fix is they did impose this doesn't it?

I can understand however why refs don't issue apologies after every error. They are positioned as figures of authority on the pitch and if they are scrutinised after every game, and held accountable for wrong decisions, they'll loose the respect of players. If they get it wrong consistently however, they can be relegated so to speak, to lower leagues. Happened with the likes of Uriah Rennie, Stuart Atwell and so on with the latter being the latest to be issued such a punishment. To be hoesnt, I've always seen Mark Halsey as one of the more pragmatic referees given his experience. However yesterday was a horror show for him.

It's like Koolspyda posted earlier, the sheer arrogance of a certain Scot has rubbed off on the younger lot. They may take a page out of their Manchunian counterparts and claim we are never wrong, but when are they ever wrong? I for one hold my hand up if we deserved to lose or if we commit and offence, even if it is Stevie or Suarez diving. This ABU mentality is their own creation like it or not. Fergie has been given a lot of leeway by the FA and though they may complain about a few decisions that went against them, they've benefited largely from those that did go their way. The belief that they deserve greatness, whilst providing good motivation, also breeds conceitedness and a sense of being imperious. Fans are treated with chants of glory which is likely the only line they are led to believe exists in the whole song. Taking all this into account, the ability to respect even your biggest opponent is absent, only because doing so is a sign of weakness. The term "mutual respect" is absent amongst younger mancs in particular. Don't believe me, ask any of your younger mates to say one positive thing about Liverpool. You get us talking about how well they play as a team, use them as a model for being a successful club and admit that Fergie is the best manager of our time. I've not seen them say anything positive about us even on their thread here in LYN. There's your proof.

Thankfully my mates, being a little older do understand this alien term known as "mutual respect". One of them reads postings on RAWK and has learnt about about history because of it. Would any manc here do that? Another I spoke to yesterday said to me, "I don't like it when we win without deserving to do so. Want to celebrate also shy ah". You will be hard pressed to find similar comments here but why? Arrogance? Contempt? I see no other possible explanation.

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I remember the Styles incident, clear as day. It was Steve Finnan that Malouda clattered into, earning him a preposterous penalty. That being said, I think FIFA or the English FA at least should do more to help refs. Even if they don't impose slow motion replays on the spot, it can surely be used to exonerate players that were wrongly punished or sentence those that got away, Johnny Evans for instance.

He's also got it right about Suarez's exaggeration. He needs to take that out if his game. I understand that gamesmanship is accepted in certain corners of the world but I don't like to see it personally. It doesn't help his cause. It's like how I never believed Ronaldo was ever fouled.

What exactly was posted? I don't read crap hence I don't visit their thread much. In any case, I wonder if the two even understood the significance of what they posted, whatever it was.

It isn't only on twitter. I'm gutted...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...mail%2BReporter

No idea dude. Not my area of expertise unfortunately.

Can't find any news on Kelly but from the way he bent his knee, it looked like he may have torn a ligament. I'm just hoping it was a bad sprain.

No surprise then that McMahon vehemently disagreed that it was a red card. I watched football in the 80's when Macca was still a midfield enforcer for us. The rules have changed a lot since then, no doubt due in part to protecting the interests of sponsors who endorse teams and players. In short, if a players gets injured today, a lot of people are at risk of losing money.

Rules are rules however and in Jonjo deserved a red card, so did Evans. Simple as.

The fact that we are criticising Mark Halsey for his bad decisions yesterday doesn't make his decisions right, so what's the issue? Did Evans not foul Suarez before getting the ball? Did Evans not go in with both feet off the ground, studs showing? Forget common sense, anyone with the gift of sight can give you the right answer. It's natural for a club that has benefited from decisions to take shots at clubs who haven't. I mean not everyone can stomach admitting to winning with a little bit of help. The way I see it if you get a bit of help, you get a bit of help, what's wrong with admitting to it. Doesn't make you a crap team does it? I don't see them thanking their lucky stars when things go their way. It's also a case of the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me. Like they've never blamed the ref. Mike Riley who was once their darling and who is now the chief of referees once came under scrutiny. The fact that he had previously awarded the most number of penalties to them had suddenly eluded them and he was vilified for making decisions against them. How ungrateful Now pointing fingers at others for complaining about unfair treatment is one thing, not admitting that it is true is another.

I don't see how anyone can say that Evans didn't deserve a card if Shelvey did. Both players had at one point went in with both feet, no? Doesn't matter if Evans was thinking of butterflies when he launched himself at the ball. Fact of the matter is he went in, studs showing.

I personally welcome debates and do admit that even our lot can be oversensitive when a manc raises controversial issues here. I never subscribed to the notion that our thread is only for us. The problem is there are a few posters on both sides who cannot use reason to overcome emotions.

Isn't it natural to debate issues of controversy after a game? Not talking about something, doesn't change that it happened or makes it any less true.

Funny how you see it as sulking. I see it as respecting the past, and paying homage to it. Oh well, to each his own.

I've spoken many times before about manufactured hate, how mancs for example are taught it hate us from birth, so to speak. Well I can't change the fact that this happens even when some folk don't have a reason to hate us other than they were told to. My disdain for you lot stretches back to when Fergie made that infamous comment about knocking us off our perch, and the sheer arrogance that your club exudes but enough of that. My point is that despite our differences, there can be mutual respect especially when it comes to tragedies such as Hillsborough. It is particularly annoying why fans of yours repeat what your kin say in England, like the "always a victim" chant when they don't even understand what happened in Hillsborough and the significant impact it has had on the families of the victims and fellow fans. It is deeply disrespectful when you mock something you don't even understand, just because one wants to hop on the bandwagon and chant along.

You don't see anyone here mocking Munich and I dare say that I know more about Munich than a fair number if mancs, and it isn't because Busby was a former Red. Any loss of life is a tragedy, and should be honoured even if we are rivals. Liverpool has always shown deep respect for such incidents. When we played in Olympiakos some years back for example, our fans paid tribute to their club by visiting their ground to honour their own tragedy.

I doesn't matter if you lot bother to read up or not on your own history or ours. However I for one think its important to honour and respect it.

As I feared, it was his ligament, sigh. We've now lost two of our best defenders so far this season.

Coates represents the future so I'd agree to play him ahead of Carra. In part 1 of our documentary, Carra already said that he's too old to change his playing style and he'll contribute where he can, even if it means it's off the pitch. He is still invaluable in the dressing room, and during training.

If I'm to be honest, I didn't see much of Nani and Van Persie either. The laters only contribution was scoring from the spot. Speaks volumes of how well we defended which is why I'm buggered that we've lost Agger and Kelly. The latter rendered Nani invisible.

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Added on September 25, 2012, 9:13 amOh hang on, seems I haven't been updated. Agger hasn't suffered any ligament damage. A "significant bone bruise" is what it is. Some consolation I suppose.

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Added on September 25, 2012, 9:18 amAnyone in Penang? I know Petre is.

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Yeah bro. Was thinking of the laksa near ken lok si, ckt in lrg selamat, pork intestine porridge on new lane and whatever else I can find. Probably staying in hydro. Hoping to catch the Norwich game in bora bora, of they show it la. any other place to recommend?

Enrique was a revelation when we first signed him but like Johnson, he's better going forward than he is at defending. It's as though he has pretty high regard for his own pace. He likes to show his opponent the outside which is natural given that he's left footed, but he shows a little too much and often gets beaten for pace. He needs to go in for challenges a little more and not wait for opponents to get to the byline.


I am but because of vanity, I've given it up

You watch the games at home I assume?

Don't follow. When was I in Bali Bali? I'm going up in Friday and leaving on Sunday. Ah do recommend some Makan places for me please.

Fergie has a swipe at Marriner a couple of years back. Didn't like his officiating as we beat them 2-0. Yeah and we're the only ones blaming the ref right? Having said that, Halsey making bad decisions isn't whining, it's fact. I'm fine with anyone Fergie doesn't think favours his side.

Selective memory. They started singing at the 13 minute mark and in response, two, yes only two Liverpool fans stayed back to retaliate, prompting the away stand to start singing again. Its like insulting someone and running in tears to your mom when people insult you back. Don't forget that they chanted the week before against Wigan, yes Wigan, not Liverpool as well. Not the first time though. They did the same with Suarez and yet again, they weren't even playing us. The obsession is mind boggling.

I'm only in Penang this weekend and I'm hoping the game will be televised. Well if anyone's in Pg, jom watch la.

I was in Singapore the weekend before last. Too bad our game wasn't televised. Small club we are these days.

Yeah this weekend. Staying near Feringghi so it'll be a bit of a drive to town.



When I say "arrogant", I'm referring to the god given belief that the world revolves around you - the invention of the term ABU for instance. You think everyone has it in for you when in actually fact, some of us believe it or not, are more concerned about our own fortune. I don't know your mates but have you seen some of the comments on your thread?

I'm trying to say that people should not judge how others feel about an issue they have no knowledge of, Hillsborough or Munich for instance. This doesn't have to do with loyalty, it has to do with desire. It is an important part of our history and someone who claims to be a fan through and through should have the desire to know more. And I can't help that I read more than a good majority of fans in Malaysia. I'm not going to be ashamed of being relatively well read.

Your question of what it has to do with you is unfortunately, fairly common it seems. Let me tell you what it has to do with me at least. Fellow fans died, and families of theirs have been seeking justice for two decades. As much as I am a fan of Liverpool, I am a fan of Liverpool fans and what's important to them is therefore important to me. The more people know about the atrocious lies behind the Hillsborough disaster, the more they'll talk about it which puts pressure on the authorities to sort it out, and thankfully it has been. Any injustice infuriates me, not only ones to do with Liverpool and football. I like Liverpool fans because we stick together. I've met fans from other countries and we bonded immediately. Shankly built a family and if you meet and staunch Liverpool supporters, I can tell you from experience, it is like meeting a long lost friend. It is my belief that we are a close knit unit that makes me take interest in occurrences that happen thousands of miles away.