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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V30, with <3s

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post Sep 10 2012, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 10 2012, 12:24 PM)
FIXED~~!

really angle problem tongue.gif
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Mm tong Potong go and make a new mold just to make Aussie version 5 degrees more slanted meh

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post Sep 10 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 10 2012, 12:50 PM)
Henbrek handle is fawesome on the original design
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I want that handbrake wub.gif wub.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 10 2012, 12:50 PM)

If you can read chinese, you'll be surprised Gabby is the only Plotong model went through thorough inspection
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TUV ma kononnyer whistling.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Sep 10 2012, 01:16 PM)
But any items in the center compartment will be crushed by the lever rclxub.gif
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Who cares, asalkan cantek bruce.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Sep 10 2012, 01:18 PM)
Wo men mei you shi jian... arrrgghh that's all I can read tongue.gif

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Translation for non-chinese members, the part in the box.


"Please do not blame Proton. Our plant too power every day 700 cars, that's one car every 98 seconds. We can't even meet demand at that rate, let alone inspect every car. Besides, who gives a flying fark about Proton quality? you buy Proton you should expect rattling dashboard, who ask you not to work harder and buy a beemer instead?

-Syed Zainal"


OK I was just kidding. I have much respect for DSZ, but the rest of the management is a joke.

QUOTE(lhwj @ Sep 10 2012, 01:18 PM)
I always put my phone and wallet there okay whistling.gif
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Put your vacuum gauge there also lar whistling.gif

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post Sep 10 2012, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 10 2012, 01:26 PM)
Apparently, Plotong asked us don't blame them since they produce 700 cars a day. Thats like every 98 seconds a new car came out, so they don't have the previous time to do inspection doh.gif (which is why Savvy being discontinued since it's TUV standard, you have no idea how many days they spent on Savvy's inspection, just like a marsilis banks) shakehead.gif
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Somehow I can't wait to see your Savvy so I can molest it wub.gif


Added on September 10, 2012, 1:34 pm
QUOTE(GP mad man @ Sep 10 2012, 01:28 PM)
1 sentence can let dares elaborate until so much  laugh.gif
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Sudah jadi mcm YAB unsure.gif

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post Sep 10 2012, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Sep 10 2012, 01:47 PM)
i sat my fren savvy few years back, my leg no enough space to fit in laugh.gif
that time i still dunno that was the advertised super car threw by a monster.
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I use to hate the Savvy with a passion because I thought it was fugly and pointless. In fact I used to call it the Proton Sorry.

Then I read about it on FnF and found out what a little monster it was blush.gif

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post Sep 10 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Sep 10 2012, 02:13 PM)
We have to admit this car is looks like 'monster' geh, even that cursed Peugeot 207 is better looking than that. If u put side by side with Myvi, not weird ppl will choose Myvi one. It looks more turtle-ish than Myvi, especially the green colour one... doh.gif
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Hehe so you can imagine my horror when I found out the BLM was based on the Savvy platform sweat.gif

I think the Savvy design, like the Juara, would sell better in Europe and Japan. As a matter of fact, Clarkson and Hammy thought it looked cool... rolleyes.gif


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post Sep 10 2012, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Sep 10 2012, 03:56 PM)
no need. driven savvy amt. asal je turun bukit, it switch to low gear
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What v12k is trying to say is, Persona has no engine braking in D.

Engine braking only happens if the wheels are still connected to the engine. If the tranny is designed in such a way that is disengages from the engine when coasting or going downhill, then you will not have engine braking.
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:18 PM

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Only use L if D is not enuff.

L causes FC to increase, dont ask me why because for the same amount of throttle my km/l reading goes down whenever I slot into L, even when slow speed.

My guess is tha L gear invokes a different fuel map.
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 10 2012, 04:19 PM)
u kena korek sendiri... bila u tarik cable tu, u kena tgk headlamp awak tgk u tarik lampu kecik punya wire or besar punya wire... jika tak silap lampu kecik kat sebelah kanan jika awak hadapi headlamp..
no problem at all... Hope u both enjoy ur new ride.. got anything juz ask.. dont shy shy...  wub.gif  wub.gif


Added on September 10, 2012, 4:20 pm

CVT also same meh? i thougt CVT should be better fuel map thn 4AT...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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I dunno if fuelmap is the same, but ECU already work differently. BLM/FL is load based ECU, FLX is torque based ECU. Ayam still wondering if vacuum gauge is an accurate way to monitor FC for FLX, maybe there is a reason why they make it so difficult to install vacuum meter on the IAFM+ hmm.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(masao343 @ Sep 10 2012, 04:23 PM)
eh if i remember properly, this one dont have a "2"  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(qse150 @ Sep 10 2012, 04:25 PM)
flx gear box i dont see a 2 there  ...... only L!!
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CVT dun have fixed gear, no need "2".
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 10 2012, 04:28 PM)
Fair Lady got P,R,D,3,2,L..  rclxms.gif  flex.gif
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Coz you have 4 fixed gears.

Even fiesta 6AT DCT also have D and L only. Takkan they put D 5 4 3 2 1.
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Sep 10 2012, 04:30 PM)
Explain plox? hmm.gif
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Emm...put it simply....

Load based ECU translates pedal action into throttle plate angle, which in turn calculates fuel injected based on the airflow and commanded AFR.

Torque based ECU translates pedal action into torque demand, which it then calculate how much the throttle plate should be opened and how much fuel should be injected.

Eg. When you step on the gas, you are telling the car how much you want the throttle to open. When I step on the gas, I am telling the car how much torque I want.

I am not sure what exactly happens on a lower level, but I would venture a guess the fuel injection rate is less dependent on throttle opening, but more on how to best serve the demanded torque.
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Sep 10 2012, 04:37 PM)
No right meh? When in L, RPM is higher but speed is lower. Provided u press same amount of throttle, the km's traveled is still less than in high speed. So less km/L reading. hmm.gif
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Speed no change. For instance I am going 30 kmh in D. I slot into L and maintain same speed with less or same throttle, km/l drops instantly.
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Sep 10 2012, 04:50 PM)
But I remember someone said (i remember u tongue.gif ) when slot into L mode for CVT, the RPM @ same speed will higher compare in D mode. unsure.gif
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RPM is higher, thats the whole point of the L gear. But throttle and speed remains the same, except acceleration will be faster.

Thats why I was wondering, where is that energy coming from? Does the ECU open the throttle plate wider and inject more fuel?

As in, when I shift to L, its akin to telling the ECU I want more torque and it will adjust the throttle and AFR.

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post Sep 10 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(ericpires @ Sep 10 2012, 04:56 PM)
Gaga?  hmm.gif

Just want some honest opinions on the car. Thx bro  smile.gif
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I think it is a good deal for 50k.
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post Sep 10 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Sep 10 2012, 05:02 PM)


May u can monitor ur fuel rate via ur OBD2 scanner... hmm.gif
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Where you think I got my km/l reading laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Fuel flow rate dunno accurate anot, because it is telling me I am using more fuel when engine braking down hill hmm.gif anyway will continue monitoring blush.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(ericpires @ Sep 10 2012, 05:06 PM)
I'm sorry, what is the noise that you're talking about?  sweat.gif
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He means the Saga has poor soundproofing. Tire noise and engine noise is quite intrusive at high speed.
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post Sep 10 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Sep 10 2012, 05:11 PM)
Maybe our Saga is like that one gua... unsure.gif

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If really like that then speechless dy. Using more fuel to slow down the car doh.gif


Added on September 10, 2012, 5:15 pmBy the way have you tested your bootlid if it is waterproof?

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post Sep 10 2012, 05:43 PM

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Dahlah sleep.gif

Besides....the true richfag is the one who own many cars. Guess who whistling.gif

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