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 Demon Hunter V2, Patch 1.05 - More survivabilities!

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fallenrav
post Nov 21 2012, 09:50 PM

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yo, new in town, been away from d3 for a while and finally back in action...
although the difficulties are lower now, but i see everywhere ppl are using those gears that i am not really familiar with...

any suggestion for my dh to get higher dps?
which skills are good to play currently?

thank you all sifus in advance...
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fallenrav
post Nov 22 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 22 2012, 10:36 AM)
First upgrade your amulet, then shoes, and then rings if possible (CC+CD+AVG DMG+DEX or CD+ASPD+AVG DMG + DEX or any other combinations).

For itemisations, you can refer to others profile here to get an overall idea on how to build your DH, like:-
- 2890's (http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SwSw-2890/hero/3515351)
- Lau Pan's (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/wahlau-2762/hero/4700324)
- etc..
I been referring many profiles to be frank and i found all those gears are simply out of reach...
therefore still thinking to boost mf and gf for the mean time to farm for more gold...
but it is a double sided blade, later when reach higher paragon level, i need to slowly reduce gf and mf...

any good advice where to farm for a dh like me?

QUOTE(d3dragonslayer @ Nov 22 2012, 11:45 AM)
your overall ehp is pretty low. try work on survivability first, then dps. get more vit on pants and belts, and higher resist on chest/pants (>65 range)

your dps is pretty good. crit chance is nice too. try dropping sharpshooter with night stalker. get more attack speed if you wanna improve dps. however this is not in the main upgrade as i think you need higher ehp imo.

smoke screen is big discipline spender if you have only 30 disc. perhaps you can try use gloom, it would be good to tank at least 2-3 hit before getting killed.

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my build is an ancient build 1.0.4 that era one... that time ehp got and dont have also makes no different, and it requires a fortune for dh to go a bit more survivability... therefore it is kinda built into not focusing on hp at all... :$

will try night stalker and gloom combination, update you in 30 minutes...
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post Nov 22 2012, 05:13 PM

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was surprised on the result...
with and without sharp shooter actually makes no different imo...

with gloom, it actually can tank reflect dmg elites better, last time using ss,
max ss 4 times (ss-->ss-->preparation-->ss-->ss, 4 x 1.5sec = 6 sec)... cant finish off one elite pack...

as for night stalker, i dont feel much differs... however do noticed that can gloom more frequent... and continuous...

the bad side for gloom is wall, frozen, fear... it cant break, but good enough for the majority of the elite pack...

thank you sifu... now maybe need to shop for better eq...
mf, gf, ehp, dps? hmm...
fallenrav
post Nov 22 2012, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 22 2012, 05:28 PM)
@fallenrav

Polarzbearz told you to refer to mine but actually his is better. Way more EHP and AR than i do.

I'll help you but i need to know how much gold you have, what is your playing style (DW or 2H) (hybrid? tank? glass canon?), do you want more DISC? or don't get extra disc but more EHP? what active skill sets you prefer?
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both of your eqs are awesome...
i am now left with less than 2 mil of gold sad.gif still struggling to get more, upgrading the items little by little...

Actually my play style is a bit old, 2h xbow with primary focus on the dps... (inherit from 1.0.4... sad.gif)
so currently is glass cannon build i would say...

my current active skills are both hatred generator, evasive fire for crowd and hunger arrow for elite...
still havent have much clue what to go ahead for...
this active skills also from 1.0.4, survived thru act 2 biggrin.gif
stuck at act 3 :/

any friendly advice for fellow dh to get to where you are currently?


fallenrav
post Nov 22 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 22 2012, 07:36 PM)
Well first things first, let's go through the skills that you might want to use. Give it some thoughts.

You have to pick one hatred generator which you feel suits your play style and one hatred spender as well. You need to decide this because you could get a bonus on the DML. Since you have no much gold, i reckon you avoid DML with disc. The rest should be cheap. Try to get a DML with AS 20 percent and the bonus to the hatred generator of your choice or to the hatred spender.

if u think ur DML does not need upgrade first, you should upgrade your pants. A DEX + VIT + AR + 2OS pants shouldn't be expensive at all. Check out Inna's pants as well whether it suits you. If you like inna, get VIT or AR roll on it if possible.

Once you figure out what you want here, get it and farm more gold and report back. I'll let u know more on part 2
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 22 2012, 07:37 PM)
Playing style / build wise:

I see you using SA + ShSh + Archery. Try dropping ShSh for Tactical Advantage, it's crazily effective for kiting and keeping max distance / off-screen distance from elites at a lower-cost (than SS). Also instead of using two hatred generator skill, use only one or the another (HA is more suited IMO, due to it's nature for kiting, and also since you're already using it for packs.). After that you gotta need a skill to deal with mob packs, which I prefer Elemental Arrow due to it's range & number of hits (good for proc-ing Night Stalker; if you are using it). As for Smoke Screen, I tend to replace it with Vault:Tumble due to 1) lower discipline cost (spammability) and 2) easier to use for keeping distance (press-aim-continue shooting). Instead of using ferret, I use Bat for better hatred regeneration to spam Elemental Arrow: Ball Lightning. Shadow Power: Gloom is a must in almost every build - for elites / main HP regeneration skill, especially reflect damages.

So you skill build should look something like this:

Hungering Arrow: SoT / DA
Elemental Arrow: BL
Vault: Tumble (or SmokeScreen: Lingering Fog if you insist)
Shadow Power: Gloom
Companion: Bat
Preparation: Focused Mind (for <40 disc) or Backup Plan (for >=40 disc)

Passives: Steady Aim, Archery, Tactical Advantage (when your DPS is at a more comfortable level, drop Steady Aim for Vengeance OR Night Stalker)

I'm not saying this is a must but it'll smooth out farming quite a little, of course that'll depend on your playing style. But this should generally fit most of the DH's

As for Equipment / itemisation wise;

Can't really help much there as a total revamp will cost a lot. But a general tip is start from equipments that give you MORE-DPS-per-COST ratio (e.g. 10m for +12k DPS w/o SS; vs 5m for +9k DPS w/o SS. The 5m is a better choice of upgrading; UNLESS the 10m is a cheap cheap cheap deal). Like I mentioned previously, start with amulet as it'll give the most dps-per-cost in your current setup, IMO.

And finally, like 2890 said - you can refer to my profile for itemisation ideas too, if you prefer moving towards a more tanky build (basically minimum kiting and face-tank most packs, and even better when combined with defensive skills like Guardian Turret + Numbling Traps.)
thank you very much for the lengthy knowledge sharing from 2 sifus...
i guess for the mean time, i will stick with polarzbearz suggestion for farming skills and playstyle first...

after gathering some bullets ($$) then only slowly upgrade those items....
I currently already upgraded my DML as per your suggestion, sacrificed a bit dex but in return 20 IAS with general stats... got it lower than 2 mil...
As for the pants, I do think of inna, my wiz is wearing one, however, the dex drop quite drastically in return for atk spd, tested and not really like the result if stutter stepping, it lowers the dmg (a lot)... as normally i do stutter step whenever an elite appears...

and my cc has reached 50%, i have dropped ss, and maybe would go for tactical advantage or perhaps straight to night stalker...
now i wan to concentrate on dps to ready myself for higher mp...

as for tank, able to survive 2-3 hits in a row could mean a lot to me already, I dont dare to imagine face tanking packs...

Thank you and shall report my progress after i get a bit used to the new playstyle...




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post Nov 23 2012, 12:30 AM

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reporting some progress, the skills recommended are awesome!
I able to at least play around MP3 without getting slain too much rclxms.gif
still getting used to it though...

after some tweaking, final form for tonight is...
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still got room to improve, dex been dropping drastically, but AS has boosted a lot...
trying to maintain at 40+ cc while pumping cd to go over 300%
finally looks a bit more serious...

as for inna, it just dropped while i am testing the new build...
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got shocked and change to inna, now bidding for the belt for the 130 dex bonus...
sorry for the comment on inna earlier, as i tot was inna's glory (still stuck at old school legacy item)

as another bonus obtained...
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not yet do price check on the item, but it seems fitting my wizzie pretty much biggrin.gif

thank you again biggrin.gif you guys are the best!
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post Nov 23 2012, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 23 2012, 12:37 AM)
Good to see that you're doing well. Just a heads up, as I'm not sure if you read it wrongly / you prefer that skill.

What I meant was the Elemental Arrow with the rune "Ball Lightning" instead of Lightning Bolts, for larger AoE and number of hits (to proc Night Stalker).

Anyway, you're definitely on the right track on your gears and you'll just need more fund and slowly climb up the stairs, good luck with that! laugh.gif
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Yeah, was using lightning bolts for like, erm... 5 secs... figure out something wrong, used ball lightning instead, and its done...
lol... kind cool i would say, the proc for night stalker can use to infinite trigger gloom during elite pack...
seems to me like tanking for dh not really a dream anymore flex.gif

reached paragon lvl 20 now.. time to zzz... hopefully bnet updates my latest gear so that i can update my siggy also..
thank you again, see if tomorrow better or not biggrin.gif

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