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 Demon Hunter V2, Patch 1.05 - More survivabilities!

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post Nov 13 2012, 08:13 PM

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Nicely said above. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Well, if u're asking, the ice climbers cold damage reduction does not shorten the freezing duration as that is classified under crowd control reduction. I never did go for 3 piece NAT set cuz it just doesn't warrant the money spend on getting the ring. There are so many much better rings out there than the reflection.

Oh, i'm running without pick up radius now and is annoying. Haha..

I made the switch to Bola Shot and has never looked back since. =D

Well, yeah the traps are just slow imo. The animation to place it is already annoying enough, then you have to wait for it to detonate and wait for it to go off. Boy, i can't wait for that. But yeah, i used to run traps too and realize my hatred is always fool after laying them so i ditch them and went with LfB.

p.s: i don't think calamity users needs lacuni. Overkill !

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post Nov 13 2012, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(SiZ.i7 @ Nov 13 2012, 08:24 PM)
any idea for strafe build? farming inferno mp0-mp1?
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Not really sure but i've seen some strafe build using demolition rune.
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post Nov 14 2012, 09:08 AM

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To continue to debate on calamity and windforce, here's my take on it.

MANTICORE > CALAMITY AND WINDFORCE =)


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post Nov 15 2012, 10:32 AM

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10mil for that manticore? WOW
and lol 23k for the embrace? holy..... and the pickup radius is gonna be really nice and smooth..

ahh, i see your DML goes double roll instead of max disc. Nice!

I really like your manticore man.. 99CD lagi !!!

p.s: very nice hellfire ring there and the mf boost you have overall ! and even without bait the trap, you have a very high CC imo cuz ur amulet has no cc. but yea, nice amulet there

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post Nov 15 2012, 01:06 PM

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Drop MF maybe? Actually i was tempted to get Litany to get the 15percent MF bonus. Hehe...


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post Nov 15 2012, 01:59 PM

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but most of us uses witching hour and dropping for that won't make sense. but yeah the dmg reduction and pick up is fun.
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post Nov 15 2012, 06:30 PM

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Nice man Dante.. If it rolled CC, u're rich already
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post Nov 15 2012, 09:10 PM

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maybe wkkay can analyse if there's a optimal balance between AR+Armor vs dmg absorbtion.. (sorry i dont know how to use the calculator for dmg absorbtion)


Yeah, if someone can do that they will be great. I also need that information to determine my next upgrade.

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post Nov 15 2012, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Nov 15 2012, 11:50 PM)
u know.. at high mp levels when u primarily use bola... sometimes your life will continue to drop dangerously low even when already popped gloom?

I found that impale is really good.. even for 1 target... just one or 2 hits will bring your life full instantly...

other than that this combo is swell... bola for aoe and impale for bosses
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I got a suggestion for you. Since your technique of life regeneration is similar to mine, why not try out CA:LfB? Has an AOE and hits hard also to give you that life regeneration asap.
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post Nov 16 2012, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Nov 16 2012, 01:10 PM)
So I did it and splurged on a 2.8% life steal manti. I'm trying to adjust my playstyle to use gloom less. Still getting used to it, but so far it seems to be effective biggrin.gif

PS: it's not enough to overcome reflect damage and i still get owned by it if I don't gloom.
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What's the damage range of the manticore? So not worth getting one with LS?
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post Nov 16 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Nov 16 2012, 03:20 PM)
Here's the path I hope to take to get me to higher practical dps when playing melee dh:

1) Replace bola shot thunder ball rune with volatile explosives for bigger AOE, bigger life steal. However, volatile explosives has a lower proc coeff, so I need to compensate by burning less disc (i.e. gloom less frequently).
2) Replace witching hour with inna's belt for resists and cc reduction. Dps should roughly be the same, hitting harder but slower.
3) Replace numbing traps with cull the weak for extra dps.
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Why melee DH? I think most melee DH uses grenades for the higher procs. I think your idea is interesting. Never occured to me to play in such manner. Let us know how much AR and LS needed to burn less disc. I think all DH wold love the idea of having to use less disc.

How does cull of the weak going to give you more DPS?

p.s: How much does a LS manticore cost? Worth the upgrade?
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post Nov 16 2012, 11:15 PM

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Hi Guys,

I've never used LOH on a DH so i would like to know how LOH works in inferno level. Say if you have 300 LOH, do you get 300 LOH each time you hit or is there a coeff like LS?

Thanks.
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post Nov 17 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 17 2012, 04:59 PM)
I started playing my barb again to give WWT build a try. It made me realized why this build is so popular and successful. Reasons being:
- Crazy dps from dual wield (max 400%CHD from 2 weapons)
- High Lifesteal%  (max 6% from weapons, 3% from belt & 3% from passive Bloodthirst.
- Fast attack speed (whirlwind) which grants faster health regen from LS
- Good mobility via Sprint
- Skill set synergy that grants resource,damage,mitigation

Can a DH achieve all this i asked myself. Solo play at higher mp has always been a problem with monster having enormous health (worse when faced with RD elites). To answer my earlier question i did some quick search on US GAH to look for some viable options to somewhat replicate the features of a WWT barb.

As we all know a dual socket manti with LS is not within the reach of average players. I saw one with 1086 dps 2.5% LS 2 OS @ 0.5b BIN. Even with this we are still capped at 3% LS max which i think is not sufficient to counter RD. An alternative is to go DW. In theory by going DW a DH can achieve 6% LS max & 400% CHD (equipping 2 rare hxbows that has 100% CHD & OS). After doing some browsing on US GAH, a reasonable setup with a budget of below 10m (not including high tier emeralds) will give u 2 x 9xx dps hxbows that  grants 100-150% CHD with OS (not including the xtra CHD% from gems) and 5-6% LS.

My own DH is now at 120+k dps (Calamity + DML) and waiting for a bid on a 9xx dps rare hxbow with 75% CHD, OS, 2.3% LS (also hv +9 max disc). The 6 affix on rares provide a variety of possibilities to complement your build (can go for high dex, vita @ hatred regen, max disc etc). Once i get my hand on the rare hxbow i will do some testing to see how much increase in dps i will get, is the increase in %LS & %CHD (my Calamity has 2.4% LS & 92% CHD) will make up for the loss in dex,vita & CC from my DML I plan to try out Sentry/GT in conjuction with Gloom to get that 50% dmg reduction and see if i can survive while leeching from LS.

Any feedbacks, constructive criticisms & opinions are most welcomed  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Very good explanation.

I don't want to sound arrogant tho at times i do. But please hear me out first.

1. Barb gears are dirt cheap. The IK belt that has double roll on STR went for like 4mil here on EU. C'mon a belt that gives you AR, LS, Fury goes for 4 mil? Imagine a DH belt that gives you disc, AR and LS, how much is it going to go? A skorn with LS is how much? A manticore with LS is how much? (note: the LS of the manticore is half the LS on the skorn)

2. The passives of barb are just plain OP. 5CC and 50 CHD plus 10CC if u use mace or was it axe. How is that not designed for noobs.

3. So a barb gets to do MP10 by running around (effectively kiting and hitting at the same time) and range classes have a harder time?

4. We all know DEX gears are insanely expensive and barb gears are dirt cheap. Heck, i dare say any random 2 piece on my DH can buy an entire barb set (not the high end ones but the ones that lets u do MP10 slowly but surely).

5. There's no glory in rolling a barb and finishing MP10 on it cuz u know u didn't do it cuz of the effort u put in. You simply jump on the Jay Wilson bandwagon.

6. The AS on a barb. Let's not even go to WOTB which IMO is BROKEN. I saw a barb yesterday hitting at 2.14 APS. Sure he might geared heavily on AS and maybe low on CD or smth else. Can we DH do that? geared heavily on one side and let others slide? Nah, you'll get raped. And his gears was cheap.

So, don't roll a barb and no shame we can't pull multiple mobs on MP10 and run around them smacking them. The barb class is broken as it is.
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post Nov 17 2012, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 17 2012, 06:29 PM)
True bro ... i am not rolling a barb ... the barb toon is already in this account when i bought it from a fellow LYN forumer. B4 this i nvr really played it much due to sucky eqs n i prefer to play toons i created myself (DH n WD).
I know dat DH can nvr do what Barb currently does solo in high lvl mp games. I am merely highlighting an option to get a higher LS% (and maybe some higher %CHD) on a DH but within reasonable budget (if i do win the bid for the rare hxbow ... my calamity n that didnt cost me more than 5 mil). Dont tell me 2 x 1-h weapons with socket/CHD/LS for barb can be bought with similar budget.. lolz. I am pretty sure with arnd 5% LS most DH can face RD without Glooming our disc away. Again just an idea ... i might be wrong but i am the type of player who explore every possibilities a game has to offer (thru eqs n skill sets).. going cookie cutter build is pretty much zzzz to me.
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Why buy acc?? Out of stock?

How to get 5 percent LS? For me on MP 9 and above, gloom can't out heal RD when I had like 300 AR. So RD is really a pain in the ass for high DPS player.

But I like players like u who explores different combinations. If u find anything interesting, do let us know here. I for sure would love to know. I'm more on a theory guy that practical guy. Never tried DW after I hit 60, only tried bow and the manticore.

What are the actives and passives that you are currently using?

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post Nov 17 2012, 10:00 PM

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@d3dragonslayer

I will roll a barb or WD when I'm get my DH to paragon 100.

At this moment, not only does the Passives of barb extremely ridiculous OP, their gears are also dirt cheap. Combined both and you get what we have today.

Yes the barb class has more diversity and yeah is fun. I agree with you on that.

Oh check this out, thrive on chaos gives extra duration in each crit right? So CC immune, tons of buff as long as you crit. Wow, how about we DH get an extra 1sec on our smokescreen or gloom also each time we crit? And I'm not even asking for CC immunity.

At this moment, in terms of farming speed on low MP levels, we are IMO first. But when it comes to higher MP levels, there is a gap between first and second. I think a highly geared WD or DH will trump barbs still because we can kill faster if we can stay alive and reduce time on kiting. Now, most WD and DH can't take MP 10 hits. Barbs on the other hand are able to outlast the mobs.

I think gecko way is able to proceed to higher MP. He is trying to reduce our dependency on gloom.

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post Nov 17 2012, 10:28 PM

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The collector edition is very nice.

I like the part where DW can just pop gloom and not lose disc. For me I have to be very careful with disc regeneration on high MP. No wasting and sort.

Sounds like you are getting danetta. I have 47 disc but doesn't seem enough for me but for u, surely is way more than enough.

Well, good luck with the auction.
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post Nov 17 2012, 11:08 PM

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@polarbearz

Holy! 71k HP with not even amethyst in the helm! Respect. And I like your AR, is smth I'm working towards also. Really regret not buying the amulet similar to my current one but with AR.

Bitter pill is smth I'm looking at also ATM. I think with my attack speed, using bitter pill and NS is just pointless. So is bitter pill better than NS?

Now gecko and you have no disc problem, maybe is just me with terrible disc management. Haha..

Oh if I may ask, how much disc do you have?


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post Nov 17 2012, 11:22 PM

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Can't afford manticore with LS.

Actually my mentality with DH has always been you either go ultra defensive or ultra offensive. Proven wrong on few occasions but this time with my current setup I think getting a LS manticore would only mean me paying big bucks for for close to no DPS increase but for that say 3 percent LS since most LS manticore are in the 1k DPS region.

So my new plan is, screw LS on manticore, get a 2 socket 1.3k manticore to kill mobs faster and this should help me reduce the time I pop gloom. After all in football, the best defense is to attack. Haha.

So I guess if someone wants to go my way, I think we need AS, good disc pool and disc management and find the best skill that procs disc regen.
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post Nov 17 2012, 11:39 PM

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@dante1989

Hmm, a video? This is embarrassing. Well, I'll try to whip smth up when I'm back from my hols. But I'm not a speed farmer like doodle.

Well, I normally farm MP 3 or 5 act 3.
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post Nov 17 2012, 11:42 PM

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@wlcling

Yeah you are right about that sadly. I'm still trying to find the sweet spot.

@polarbearz

AR ring? Got that covered. Currently looking at litany or reflection.

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