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 Demon Hunter V2, Patch 1.05 - More survivabilities!

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post Nov 11 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 11 2012, 11:16 PM)
Pretty sure there's no typos when I keyed in the values. Assumed both gems on 1st Manticore as 100% as well (totals up to 299% cd)

I think it could be my build where it is already heavy-crit damage oriented with low IAS. Not sure which to keep rclxub.gif

Edit: To double check, I even used your weapon as the base for comparison. Still same:

2OS: +5,123.87 DPS
1OS: +5,539.89 DPS

Differences: 416 DPS sweat.gif
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Diminishing returns. Boy i gain 10K DPS with the 2 socket. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Well, I say keep the 2 socket. It looks Badass man. 181 DEX, 99CD and 2 socket again. But then, ur 1 socket very hard to sell la. Easier to sell that 2 socket.

Well, how much does such 2 sockets go on US server? if you can get lots of gold to do upgrades to other parts, maybe is much better to sell. Tell you what, go find AH and see whether you have anything you wanna buy and see whether selling that manticore can get you those stuff. If can, i think you should sell.

but bear in mind, now is -416 DPS if you switch to 2 socket but if you manage to upgrade other parts and keep that 2 socket, it'll slowly become +xxx DPS.

So, get some IAS and CC. Good Luck!

p.s: mine lousy la.
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 11 2012, 11:30 PM)
Yeah. Too high CD becomes negative.. sweat.gif

Played around DPS calculator based on your build, seems that keeping 2OS manticore will give me higher DPS in the long run (as I can ditch CD on other parts to get IAS & CC).

Not too sure about 2OS's price, but my 1OS bow can sell about 15m~30m depending on buyers.
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Then that's good. yeah in the long run is gonna benefit you even more.
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:44 PM

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Wlcling is right on the base damage. Is also why i opted for a 1.2k with 1 socket instead of 1k with 2 socket. but then if u manage to get more IAS and CC, the 2 socket will benefit you more.

C'mon gems on US servers are dirt cheap. I've been reading the threads here.

oh btw, the best way to get CC and AS is through rings.

Well, manticore users gotta increase their AS or u're loosing a lot man.
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post Nov 12 2012, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Nov 12 2012, 12:17 AM)
actually I thought manticore users should mainly focus on cc on other gear which would then synergize with a 2 soc manticore... a must-use skill would be bait the trap.

xbow users should focus on cd because it synergizes with archery passive.

as for ias, it would benefit xbows and bows more due to the faster base attk speed of these weapons.
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I don't agree. More IAS means faster hatred regen, crit, procs and also more damage done within the shortest possible time. Imagine a static DH with high IAS, before he or she moves again, a fast shooting one might have able to launch 3 shots compared to the 2 of a slow one.

I think is like improving your weakest part.

and besides with higher AS, you can stutter step much much better.

So I won't say a manticore user should focus on CD instead of AS.


Added on November 12, 2012, 12:46 am
QUOTE(edge85 @ Nov 12 2012, 12:30 AM)
18M for a radiant star emerald is cheap?
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I didn't know is 18mil already. Last time I see the gem thread say very cheap.

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post Nov 12 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Lau Pan @ Nov 12 2012, 02:15 PM)
Nooooooo.. The DH was first before this.
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post Nov 12 2012, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Lau Pan @ Nov 12 2012, 02:31 PM)
i think the DH eq much more expensive than number 1 wiz...

DH bow nearly perfec but wiz weapon still got spec to improve ><""
bb number 1
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boss, i need your advice.

I'm looking at 4 lacunis atm. And i have only 245mil gold in reserve.

1. 350mil b/o and 300mil bid (1day left)
- 131 dex
- 93 intel
- IAS 8 percent
- CC 6 percent

2. 110mil bid and b/o (19 hours left)
- 82 dex
- IAS 8 percent
- CC 6 percent

3. 300mil bid 500mil b/o (1day left)
- 82 dex
- 34 AR
- IAS 9 percent
- CC 6 percent.

4. 150mil bid 200mil b/o
- 84 dex
- 91 intel
- 64 vit
- IAS 8 percent
- CC 6 percent

The none lacuni is: (19mil bid, 99mil b/o)

- DEX 160
- VIT 35
- AR 65
- CC 6 percent

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post Nov 12 2012, 03:14 PM

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Haha. Ryperer knows better =P

Well, i made around 70mil selling my inna's belt and the inna's pant that i bought for 1.4mil or was it 1.3mil.

And yesterday while chatting with edge85, i found a slorak's madness that sold for 200mil. I think i under sold it cuz insta buyout again. So no idea there.

Then also sell stuff for like 100k to 150k each. Should be there la.
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post Nov 12 2012, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 12 2012, 03:32 PM)
4. anyone bid it? how many hours left? IMHO if your bid is 157.5mil then most likely someone will outbid you with the b/o, unless you b/o 200m.

If you failed at that then only consider 2.
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Nope no bid on 4 and i forgot the time left. But i can't justify paying like 50 to 60mil more for 64 VIT. If is 30 AR, sure i'll pay but man is VIT.

What about this one

The none lacuni is: (19mil bid, 99mil b/o)
- DEX 160
- VIT 35
- AR 65
- CC 6 percent
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post Nov 12 2012, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 12 2012, 03:41 PM)
Thats a bad deal at 99M. I am sure you can get a hell lot better bracers for 99M, Strong Arms? Those with 2XX dex + AR? Eventhough CC at 4.5, I do think there is more value there.  Was looking for a nice bracer as well earlier but guess I got lucky with a nice drop when a razorspike dropped with 167 Dex, 70AR 38  Poison Res, 68 Str and 5% CC. Saved me a few mils for my poison monk smile.gif.
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You lucky dude. Lately my drops have been towards wiz gears. No idea why. But yeah i won't b/o that piece of bracers, maybe look at how the bidding goes. Ideally i want some AR on my bracers so i'm considering the rare as a lacuni with AR is in the 300mil region and the one without is 120mil region.


Added on November 12, 2012, 3:46 pm
QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 12 2012, 03:41 PM)
Not much different than what you are wearing currently (1%CC), might as well don't change.
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Well, it has 65AR and an extra 1percent CC. I definitely won't b/o on that piece. i was thinking to save up an extra 60mil and buy a lacuni with AR but then 200mil extra for 30 AR? That just doesn't add up at all.

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post Nov 12 2012, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Lau Pan @ Nov 12 2012, 04:04 PM)
i m no boss =.=, just sharing...
the starting bid no ppl tough mean that item price so so only.
mayb u try to consider mempo come with cc and dex

now keep my gold and some invest in rmah ^^
just sharing
http://www.diablo3goldguide.net/2012/11/25...ml#.UKCtUmeB1es
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Mempo with Dex and CC is TOTALLY out of my budget. Here is like minimum 750mil. So unless i strike jackpot with something EPIC i can only window shop there.
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post Nov 12 2012, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Nov 12 2012, 06:26 PM)
may i know the stat on this ^
those brit sure are either rich or down to drain stupid laugh.gif

70mil for 64vit... laugh.gif
and for 1.4 mil for 64 vit....wow....damn lucky sweat.gif
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The pants had 100DEX on it and pick up radius. Lousy pants i would say but people love to bid and most importantly they like to WIN. =)

Well, i think americans are much stupid but yeah..

don't get the 70mil for 64 VIT and 1.4mil for 64 VIT part.
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post Nov 12 2012, 07:34 PM

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Location: Act 3 Arreat Crater Level 2
Monster: Occulist Elite Pack
Affixes: Reflect Damage + Extra Health + Health Link + Desecrator (luckily not waller)
MP level: MP10
Party Members: 3 DH and 1WD.

Action Taken: We all RAN.
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post Nov 13 2012, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(dante1989 @ Nov 13 2012, 11:28 AM)
fellow hunters , can you guys drop some me some tips on upgrading my DH pretty please? smile.gif i got 6m gold now and i found out that most of my rares are giving me alot of vitality and if i swap them out i will lose alot of hp for little boost in dps. profile in my sig , thanks in advance !
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6mil? hmm.. well you have no AR so places to get them for a DH imo would be

1. shoulders (vile ward)
2. bracers (any rare with CC)
3. pants (inna's temperance)
4. belt (inna's favor / witching hour)
5. helm (mempo of twilight)

p.s: for future references.

Well, i see you have embrace on, maybe get a bloody footprint to get that 7percent CC. Rings has to go as well.

For rings, you have imo two ideal combination for a manticore user.

Option1 has the following rolls
- XX-XX damage
- XX IAS
- XX CC
- XX DEX

Option 2 has the following rolls
- XX DEX
- XX IAS
- XX CC
- XX All resist

Again, for future references since DISC is very important to a DH player. You can get DISC at the following parts

1. Natalya Embrace (max 10 DISC)
2. Dead Man Legacy (max 10 DISC)
3. Stone of Jordan (max 10 DISC)

For amulets, i personally prefer the following roll:
- XX-XX damage
- XX IAS
- XX CC
- XX DEX

but, you can also go replace average damage(XX-XX damage) with the following:
1. Resistant to all elements
2. Vitality or
3. IAS (expensive option)

Right now, how are you coping with inferno with monster power? dying too often? killing takes too long? let me know and i'll give you more feedback.


Added on November 13, 2012, 1:27 pmoh btw guys, anyone here running without pickup radius?

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post Nov 13 2012, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(dante1989 @ Nov 13 2012, 01:46 PM)
this is my stat page for a more detailed view of my stats

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i just swapped my embrace with a rare given to me by morningstar5770 (thanks !)

I normally play at mp 1 and able to farm act3 (doodle route) , im doing ok , not dying too often. but if i run into reflect damage then things start to get a little tricky and most of the time i pop all my cooldowns just to stay alive.

what im really curious is , how am i able to afford equips that have the rolls that you mentioned? most of them are out of my budget or costs at least half of my gold pile. i really want the 7% cc from 2 set nats, but mediocre boots cost 3.5m buyout at least.

did i get a manticore too early ? coz i just won it @ 157k just because i see most of the DH's here running around with one. should i opt for a different weapon altogether ?

thanks for providing such a detailed explanation 2890! i will refer back to your post whenever i look for upgrades.

@lksing78
no hard feelings taken bro , i know my limitations haha. well i have a barb also.. >_<
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The pleasure is mine bro.

Anyway the positive are:
1. Nice HP pool you have there.
2. Nice CC as well.
3. Nice AR, as 1 hour ago, i had less AR than you. Yeah, totally tofu me.
4. Your DISC pool is fine.

Things you need to work on.
1. 1.50 AS is too slow.
2. 1.8k DEX is too low.

So yeah, you want to earn gold? well, u can either farm MP1 alkaizer route as many times as possible OR pay 30USD and join Ryperer's private GAH/RMAH classes. Personally, i'll recommend the former.

p.s: u didn't get the manticore too early. 157k is a steal

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post Nov 13 2012, 02:08 PM

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@lksing78

Is Nightstalker not vengeance for disc regeneration.

@dante1989

here's how i test myself whether i can do that particular MP level when i don't have such good gears.

Go Act 3 and find those annoying phase beast. Kill anyone around them and when u're done, let them smack you. If you can take the hit and not get one shotted or red screen, you pretty much are able to do that level.
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post Nov 13 2012, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 13 2012, 02:32 PM)
@dante1989

I got 1 unused andariel's helm with 164 dex, 9% ias, 4.5% cc (unfortunately no socket tho), if u want just add/whisper me in-game @ Hulkie#6526. Should help boost your AS a bit.
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not just a bit.. will boost A LOT. very nice of you guys man..
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post Nov 13 2012, 03:29 PM

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It seems hulkie is a big fan of unity. May i ask why?

oh btw dante,

if u're gonna get a DML, decide which hatred generator you wanna you use.
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post Nov 13 2012, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(dante1989 @ Nov 13 2012, 03:30 PM)
sorry but what is a DML?
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Dead Man Legacy
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post Nov 13 2012, 03:53 PM

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I want that signet of yours =)

oh, i got a new bracers. 35mil

141 DEX
69 VIT
72 AR
6% CC
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post Nov 13 2012, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 13 2012, 06:18 PM)
Actually most of the gear on my DH are drops obtained from my WD runs (pre 105 my DH was stuck,having no drops and cant really farm well). Now hv better gears thanks to my WD  biggrin.gif
As far as Unity goes, it was also a drop (my WD seems to hv a knack for getting jewellry ... so far got 3 Unity drops dex,str,intel).
I wish the ice climber drop this morning was a dex climber, unfortunately it was Str  sad.gif It seems my DH now keeps getting owned by Frozen affix elites.

Anyways, i am toying with the idea of switching my pet bear to spike trap/echoing blast for more option in dealing damage. Is it a good idea? However i need to beef up my Resist n EHP overall 1st it seems. I just realised that traps laid during Gloom is on will proc LS even when Gloom is no longer active when the trap is activated by mobs. Since i am using Caltrops/Bait for the xtra 10%CC, it might be a good idea to: activate Gloom, lay 3 traps close together, stand on it, lay Caltrops .. when mobs come close, vault back (Caltrops snare will ensure maximum echoing 3 blasts on the mobs).

Wish List:
1- 1.3k dps Calamity with open socket.
2- Ice climber with high Dex
3- Nat ring with CC & avg dmg.
4- DML with max disc & %dmg to HA
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I totally get you. Pre 1.0.5 was hell for my DH as well. So i rolled a monk and made money selling ghom kills to DHs and WD. It was heaven back then.

Oh a tip for dante, i think rings like litany would be very cheap now. Basically those with AR on it. People are going to tend to favor hellfire ring and a ring that brings DPS to it. Since litany is a defensive ring, not popular.

I never did like the traps mechanism. Too slow for my liking and definitely too slow when farming mobs. I think the boar is better and i think many people don't understand that

DPS = Damage X Time.

If u're gonna be always on the move, you r not going to be able to sustain your DPS no matter what paper DPS you have. This is my opinion la.

But i can see you came up with a nice combo there with caltrops and traps. So kudos to you.

On ice climbers, on the EU servers, many felt that best combination would be Lacuni + Depth Diggers + NAT booots/ice climbers(12%MS) but this combination is expensive. I've yet to seen a DH uses ice climbers and u might just be the first! The inna's combination works well for calamity users as well.

Oh btw, i think Bola shot > Hungering Arrow. On low MP levels when you can one shot mobs, HA beats bola but on higher MP levels, Bola is much much better.

I like the NAT ring you want. I want that too but i know is going to cost a bomb and i dont want to ditch the hellfire ring.

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