It's funny to note that many WP7 or would be WP8 users in here seemingly compare their current or future WP device to Samsung or Apple frequently in their post. Whereas in Apple threads, Apple fans hardly mentions Nokia or WP at all. In that sense, it seems in here, people need to justify why WP is, can and will be better than Android or iOS. Why is that? Because both are considered benchmarks ... that's the sole reason why comparisons are made.

Nokia was the king many years ago, hasn't been even till today. Despite whatever claims each users claims, only sales figures will show. Be it 920, iP5 or S3. I am still trying to figure out why some claims iP5 is unimpressive? Is it the lack of quad core? It is the lack of a bigger screen? Apple chooses to release 1 phone at a time. It has no desire to create multiple devices of various specs and screen sizes, not because it can't, but because it wants to remain unique. That's one reason as well why Android users have surpassed iOS. Simply because Androids are made available to the likes of HTC, LG, Sony and etc. Will other mobile phone makes embrace Windows soon?

I was looking forward to WP8 920, until I read the weight. Practicality must triumph over any specs for me. Unless of course I start carrying a bag. Unfortunately, over the course of my work, I need to climb uncompleted buildings under construction and can't have any heavy or huge devices in my pockets.

All in all, I am very impressed with Windows Phones though. A big and huge improvement over their previous Symbian. My last Nokia was a N97 Mini before jumping to an iP4. I wouldn't mind WP8 on an iPhone size or similar. Wishful thinking I guess.

Well, that's one way of lying or justifying to one self

I don't carry a bag nor do I like carrying a pouch. As it is, even with iPhone size, sometimes the gap between each timber support or even the temporary wooden ladder the contractor provides makes it hard for me to stretch my legs, especially with me not being tall. Thus, with a bigger width or length, it will be even harder for me to stretch. Yes, iP5 is even longer by 8mm, thus I have not decided if I want to upgrade or not. Have to see the actual unit.

As least a valid reason I can comprehend. When I read one liners like preferring heavier to lighter, it just seems more like justification. Thus, thank you for that.

Still for me, when someone says they prefer heavier, how heavy can one keep on tolerating? Imagine if Nokia comes up with something as heavy as 250g, which by comparison is about more or less the diff between a L920 and iP5, will they come out to defend the product weight again giving the same reason that it's only an additional 70g?

By rationale, most I would say would want it lighter, provided of course it doesn't mess up the reception. Maybe eventually, phone would be like those super thin concept see through glass/plastic like we see in movies (wishful thinking again in my lifetime). What will it be then? Rejecting it because it's not heavy enough?

All in all, like I said, I really like the WP8, maybe not the L920. The tiles and the OS integration with contacts, social network etc really are impressive compared to the boring iOS. I don't believe I have ridiculed Lumia users here with my initial post nor this one. Having used 3210, 8810, 8850, 5800 & N97 Mini prior to my current phone, I know how good Nokia is/was. I would be happy to hear if they are indeed making a good comeback. Good competition only spells out better products from all manufacturers.

This is where I think you may be wrong. Your purchase is for your own consumption. Similarly, in the past where we bought a music CD, you can give it to anyone you like once you are bored of it. Duplicating is what they are trying to avoid. When in soft copy, people can share with anyone they want. When you share with 1 person, that is 1 less royalty payment to the artist and the recording label. Imagine it's like network marketing. You share with 2, then each of them share with 2 and etc. There will be too many people having it without paying for it. It's not so much about you selling it. However, humans being humans, they do it anyway. But technically, it is not your right from a legal point of view as far as I understand it.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the release of Lumia 920. If Nokia loses their share of the market, then it is really their own doing. What irks me still though is I hope they rectify the notifications part. Rather than show 1 or 2 or 3 on the live tiles, I would hope that it would pop up on screen to show a preview of the message. At least I know there is one instead of having to go into the live tile to see if there is any notification at all. Or have this been rectified? This is one strong point for me to move away from iOS.

I am pretty sure they have statistics of those who does that and at the same time share with others as well. But they would not know what your intentions are, hence they implement a control feature on it. It doesn't prevent people from doing so still, but they won't make it easy either. It's no different to P2P softwares. Excuses such as file sharing of legal content is accurate. But when you look at torrent sites, we all know what content they are.

I do see your point of view but you would also agree that in current age and times, it is common to share it with others besides one self. Same song? If it's soft copy, you could sync with both your phones via your PC I guess. CD? That could be tricky. But I am imagining the days where we didn't have CD burning software or high tech PC to copy. I did that many moons ago, which is to transfer the CD from house to car. Wow, shows how old I am Maybe you are much younger to never did that before and were brought up instantly into the digital age.

But that is what copyright is about.

May I take it that Toast is default? And it functions similarly to the few seconds pop up that appears in iOS (have not tried Android) before it goes blank again? If that is true, then I am sold to WP8. Was waiting for iP5 solely because I thought one would have to turn on the phone to look at the live tiles to see the (#) to know that there is a message.

Thanks ... now I am really looking forward to the Lumia 920.

With iOS, as long as I don't go to the home screen, it will always appear when I press the home/standby button. Only after going into the home screen, will it appear in the respective app with (#) similarly to live tiles I guess. So, you are saying that even if I don't go to the home screen, that toast notification will disappear?

In any case, I really do hope this feature will be implemented or improved upon. I just have to bring myself to carrying a 180g phone, that's all. If only the design could be sleeker. Doesn't really suit people with small hands like myself. But I guess that's the price to pay if we want the features of the WP8/Lumia 920.

The plus point which Nokia is promoting is on the night shots. Look for the video which shows the Lumia 920 vs S3 vs iP5. It is there.