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post Apr 9 2013, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(xen0 @ Apr 9 2013, 02:05 AM)
suggestion on affordable 120gb SSD, please? Plextor? any good?

Last time I bought intel 330 120gb @ rm299 from allIT..now the price is totally different. T.T

I created a system image using windows 7 backup tool from my Dell lappy..can I apply the system image into my new SSD? want to slot in this SSD into my Dell lappy.
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Plextor is good, its far more cheaper(the M5Pro version) than other performance SSD like OCZ vertex and Samsung 840/pro, well at least on Singapore sweat.gif
Most ppl here prefer Intel i think, but if it's really cheap you should just grab one before the price increase.

Yes i think its doable, but you need to enter recovery mode and restore the image, it's similar to disk cloning.


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post Apr 10 2013, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 9 2013, 11:58 PM)
Hi guys, wanna ask a bit about SSDs. I noticed some SSDs like the Plextor M5Pro, Samsung 840Pro and the OCZ Vertex 4 have high IOPS values compared to Intel's SSDs. Does having much higher IOPS give significant advantage in terms of real world applications?

I'm talking about the things we do everyday like opening various programs such as browser, CS6, LR4, loading camera RAW files, loading game map, etc. How much difference is there between a 50k IOPS vs a 120k IOPS in terms of speed of launching programs or basically the general RESPONSIVENESS of applications in our Operating System?

I'm no benchmark enthusiast or anything, just a simple normal user smile.gif

Care to share your views! Thanks! biggrin.gif
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IOPS basically means responsiveness, if im correct sweat.gif
High IOPS = low random access time, that's SSD, HDD and optical disk drive always have low IOPS and high latency.

Basically even and old SSD like the one i was using, Kingstone SSDnow v100+, it doesn't even using Sandforce controller, but it feels snappier when booting to OS, launching apps or opening large TIFF files compare to HDD.

Normal user using normal SSD should be enough, the IOPS is really hard to measure or feel in real world usage, you can only see the difference when performing benchmark doh.gif
performance SSD are for speed freak or has a lot of cash to burn lol doh.gif
there is always a option of RAID0 your SSD if your mobo is intel z77 chipset, double the storage space and speed, but at the cost of higher risk of data loss if never perform scheduled backup.
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post Apr 10 2013, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Apr 10 2013, 04:01 PM)
Two days ago accidentally down clock my GC memory clock until entered blue screen and PC unbootable.

Format my SSD for the second time. My plextor M5s improved windows boot up speed from 45 seconds to 13 seconds.  rclxms.gif

SO weird =.=" I heard that SSD have limited lifspan right? why is it shorter than HDD? Spend so much for it but scare of its lifespan. It shouldn't be defragment right? how to prolong and optimize my SSD?
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Flash chip has limited write cycle, most SSD(as well as some thumbdrive/memory card) are rated 3K program/erase cycle if i'm correct (aka P/E Cycle), but those thing are handled by the SSD controller, is called wear leveling to prevent flash chip premature death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling
You dont have to worry bout the life imho, i'm pretty sure every hardware enthusiastic like us will upgrade the SSD every a few years. just sell it after upgrade, then your SSD's life expectancy will become someone else problem lol tongue.gif

unless you are using the older OS like Vista, which does not support SSD natively. Windows 7 by default do not defrag SSD, but it still defrag it if your SSD has second partiton.
So you still have to disable the defrag on specific drive manually sweat.gif

Unless our HDD equipped with sudden motion sensor, or free fall sensor, or whatever sensor to prevent head crash,
desktop HDD are very vulnerable to sudden drop or kick. it's life expectancy isnt any longer/better than SSD, i've RMA'ed(due to smart warning/dying) several my Western Digital HDD liao rclxub.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 10:19 AM

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it's recommended to use the mobo's sata ports, even if it's just sata 2, rather than third party pcie sata3 card, those made by Asus or msi(both using marvel sata controller) aren't as good as the native Intel or amd chipset.
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post Apr 12 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Apr 12 2013, 07:43 AM)
Not recommended as most MOBO does not have BIOS that allow boot from PCI E
The MSI card that you have is already good card. Another one that I can think of is ASUS U3S6.
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Huh, i'm pretty sure it can, it's not pcie ssd, it's sata port expansion card.
The Asus u3s6 is almost a same thing as the MSI one, as both are using Marvel SATA controller.
Another option is to buy the LSI pcie sata card, but those card is very expensive, you could even buy a new mobo with that price iirc sweat.gif
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post Apr 14 2013, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(lonelyhouse @ Apr 13 2013, 10:57 PM)
Btw, can I choose kingston hyperx 3K instead of intel 330 since intel 330 quite expensive nowaday.

How about the performance?
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Why only Kingston and intel SSD? both performs similar as both are using same SSD controller, may be with different firmware.

Plextor's SSD quite good imho.
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Apr 14 2013, 12:24 PM)
Plextor using marvell controller, which it's good at reliability, while other SSD like OCZ, Corsair etc using SandForce, which it's good at performance but stability wise....not so much...

You won't notice much difference for both controller in real life ...unless you benchmark all of'em
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Their stability is okay now, i'm using Kingston SSD right now, they are fine SSD.
but the write performance may be come worst if the drive is dirty, and may not restore properly unless secure erase the whole SSD.

QUOTE(lonelyhouse @ Apr 14 2013, 12:29 AM)
Plextor's write is quite low compare both?
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Imho Plextor are better, because an SSD using newer controller such as Marvel, do not suffer poor performance when copy/writing incompressible(FLAC audio, h264 video, JPEG/PNG image) data.

Sandforce driven SSD may look good on benchmark, because they use ATTO which by default using compressible data. If they were using AS SSD or ATTO with incompressible settings, their benchmark result would look crappy lol.
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post Apr 15 2013, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(weezeer @ Apr 15 2013, 01:04 PM)
Sandisk extreme reviews?
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You should try to google it yourself sweat.gif
Sandisk Extreme is just another Sandforce Driven SSD, which perform similar to Kingston HyperX, OCZ, Corsair, Gskill SSD, Intel 330, ect.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/d...gb_4.html#sect0

The newer one is Sandisk Ultra Plus, iirc.

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post Apr 19 2013, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 18 2013, 09:35 AM)
hello everyone
just got my hands on the M5S 128gb, now selling slightly below 300 i think it's a good buy atm

installed everything into it, plugged back old hdd but now storage only.

feels quick, now the slowest part is the BIOS during boot up

still using intel e8400 + p35 combination, so no ahci mode for now, but checked "fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify" it returns "0", which means TRIM is enabled
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It's damn cheap already, but Singapore still selling it at RM350 (149SGD) tongue.gif
128GB is sweetspot imho, i bought the 256GB version but can't really utilize the space much, even installed 3 OSs on it , unless install games,
now The SSD is left to collect dust until i bought a new Wifi adapter(Windows 8 serious driver problem lol) doh.gif

Back then the Kingston 96GB cost almost same price as the 256GB m5pro lol.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2013, 01:39 AM)
ehhh, why did you have to do that?

my Intel 330 and Kingston 300 series both need not have me do anything.

Just booted Windows CD and install away just like any other drive.
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There are easier way to do that, its a software called "SSD Tweaker" lol.
Yeah by default no need to tweak anything, Windows 7 will regconize SSD and optimize it right way after installing.
Unless user cloned the OS from HDD to SSD, then may be tweaking is necessary.
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post Apr 19 2013, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 19 2013, 08:54 AM)
don't think the price is an issue for singaporean  blush.gif
disposable income for singaporean should be more than an average malaysian (at least in my mind)

i am going to install windows 8 soon, what's with the serious driver problem?
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For me it's not, im malaysian working on there lol sweat.gif
Thats the specific wifi adapter issue, TPLINK, even the stable version of driver will cause windows 8 to reset the usb hub everytime when uploading some large file, every damn time, 100% reproducible, windows 8 has been out for 6 months already they have yet to fix the problem.
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post Apr 19 2013, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(ralph_d @ Apr 19 2013, 11:58 AM)
mine was tplink too, wifi adapter, plugged into pci-e on my mobo, yours too?
if that so guess that i'll be using win7 for now
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Mine is USB adapter, TL-WN821N, it was fine when using slow connection(HSPA 7.2mbps), i got the prob after changed to 4G, the upload will not last for 10 second, and the adapter will disconnected itself.
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post Apr 20 2013, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 19 2013, 01:21 PM)
Funnily my old wifi adapter is the one that keeps DCing during its time in Win7... In Win8 with W7 drivers seems to be working fine hmm.gif
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Hmm i have not tried yet, thier stable driver and the recent beta driver also gave me the same problem, it's realy pain in the arse, right now i'm on windows 7 and facing frequent lagging problem, most of my application always hang and it took a few minutes to recover, im not sure if its a SSD problem.
I save/load large TIFF files frequently.

My w7 on Kingston HyperX, W8 on Plextor mp5. getting real tired of my sh1tty system sweat.gif
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post Apr 21 2013, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(amazinggrace @ Apr 21 2013, 01:52 PM)
Anyone can recommend a value SLC SSD?
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why do you need SLC? i just googled Intel x25e, 32GB SLC SSD, 335 USD, discounted already lol sweat.gif http://www.amazon.com/Intel-X25-E-SATA-Dri...1/dp/B001RLG0GY

Even some of the high end workstation SSD also use MLC mostly
http://www.fusionio.com/products/
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post Apr 22 2013, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(KHOdin @ Apr 22 2013, 12:38 PM)
plextor write speed is kinda low ...
what about the price ? it got raised RM50~80? dint remember the price of last year ...
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Low? Depends on the benchmarking tools used.
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As you can see, my Kingston SSD performance is already severely degraded(Used for quite long time already), so this comparison might not fair lol.
Too lazy to wipe the drive, going to sell it soon sweat.gif
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post Apr 22 2013, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(tennytyy @ Apr 22 2013, 09:22 PM)
Why there is no scores showed?
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The benchmark didnt finished, the transfer rate already is the best answer.
I could post more pics, but i'm just too lazy lol sweat.gif

For more info you should read a review instead http://www.anandtech.com/show/6090/plextor...-256gb-review/5
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post Apr 23 2013, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Apr 23 2013, 12:13 AM)
I checked most reviews recommend Crucial M4 256GB over Samsung 840 250GB because of flash chip type. Should I buy Crucial one?
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If Crucial one is cheaper, just buy loh, performance wise Samsung SSD are faster, but also more pricey if i recall correctly.
Normal user should always chose cheaper with larger capacity, no need to go for extreme performance, it's not like 5 or 10 second faster could change your life or something.
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post Apr 23 2013, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(KHOdin @ Apr 23 2013, 09:27 AM)
actually we upgrade from hdd because of we want from 40sec to below 10sec boot time...so i think 5 to 10 seconds is kinda big different .which is why im concern about plextor spec itself cant match with others. dint read much review yet but will do soon.
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well, if I recall correctly, my htpc boot faster than my gaming machine, because my dual core htpc has less components plus much simpler, and it only has 5400rpm hdd.
below ten second boot time is difficult unless you know how to optimize your pc.

which review show plextor can't match with other ssd? there are m3, m5s and m5pro. from mainstream level to performance respectively.
even if you buy the m3, it,s still marginally faster than any hdd on the market.
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QUOTE(joonwei23 @ Apr 23 2013, 11:37 AM)
Is it a must to install the firmware for the ssd from the website ?
using plextor m5s
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Not really a must, but its recommended, For Plextor firmware update, you can use this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
to create bootable thumbdrive/sdcard to update the SSD firmware, without using DVD-R/RW.
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post Apr 23 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(joonwei23 @ Apr 23 2013, 11:42 AM)
how do I check the firmware from my desktop ?  sweat.gif
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Use ASS SSD whistling.gif
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchm...Benchmark.shtml
bleh broken link lol

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