There are many beautiful photos of LX7 here
http://www.popco.net/zboard/view.php?id=dica_review&no=810

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Added on August 14, 2012, 6:21 pmHow I estimate LX7 sensor performance?

We will use dxomark extensively. It is the best reference while many argue the accuracy. But I have downloaded many sample raw pics from dpreview to analyst many cameras from 5d3 to XZ1 and I can confirm that dxomark is very accurate. We will be very interested in ISO score and we will talk a bit on dynamic range score. We are not interested in dxomark "overall score" which is meaningless.

The sensor size of LX7 is 1/1.7", same as Olympus XZ1, Canon G11/G12/S95/S100 and Nikon P7100 and slightly smaller than the 1/1.63" of LX5.

The biggest different this sensor with them is that it is a CMOS while all others are CCD (except S100/G12). CMOS tends to have better noise performance than CCD. That's why full frame Leica M9 CCD sensor has a poorer ISO performance than a smaller APS-C Nikon D7000.

And for the first time, LX7 is not using a panasonic sensor (strange for a company that made their own sensor). This is told in the launching interview in Taiwan. Their excuse is that they don't have such size. They can either buy from Aptina or Sony. But why not buy from the best if you have to buy form a third party? I do hope it is Sony.

Sony made sensors for many great camera brands such as Nikon and Pentax. The best APS-C sensor today are found in Pentax K5 and Nikon D7000, which is made by Sony.

Pentax Q has a sensor half the size of LX7. It is a CMOS and is believed to be made by Sony. The sensor, albeit smaller, outperform all 1/1.7" CCD sensor in ISO performance and dynamic range!
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/C...tabase/Pentax/Q

Pentax Q has a score of 189 for ISO performance.

That means if we use the same technology and put the same amount of megapixels (12) on a double sized sensor. It will 100% sure to be better!

How I estimate RX100 sensor performance?

Sony made the best sensor in the world. And for marketing reason for consumers (and 'pros' that think they know something but actually they don't), they like to stuck a lot of megapixels in their sensor, this will draw down the sensor performance but because they are ahead of the technology, it will still be better than other sensor makers.

The best reference is actually Nikon 1, which has the same sized 1" sensor but made by Aptina. However, it is 10mp only. Since RX100 jammed twice more pixels into it, the sensor performance will be around the same or slightly better than Nikon 1 only (by assuming Sony has an edge over Aptina).
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/C...base/Nikon/1-V1

It has a score of 346 for ISO performance.

LX7 vs RX100 ISO sensor performance

So my conclusion is very straightforward, if LX7 has a conservative score of 200 and RX100 has a conservative score of 400, RX100 will have at most 1 stop advantage over LX7 'only'. That means if you shoot f2 at ISO800 of RX100, you can shoot at f1.4 at ISO400 on LX7 using the same shutter speed. That's why the f1.4 bright lens play the biggest magic here.

Dynamic Range
Unlike the old CCD sensors, dynamic range for both CMOS sensor are good enough to stay above 11EV. So I assume they are good enough for a compact of such size.

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Added on August 14, 2012, 6:36 pmHow do I gauge RX100 and LX7 lens performance?

Imaging Resource provides a lot of test pics for analysis for both RX100 and LX7 (and also LX5) such as this one. To get them, Google for the specific camera review.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/pana...7/LX7hVFAWB.HTM LX7 24mm f1.4
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony...RX100hVFAWB.HTM RX100 28mm f1.8

I am interested in these cameras when they are shot WIDE open and at both WIDE end and TELE end because those are the "soft" spot.

Most lens are sharp at the center but the problem usually arise at the corners so I pay a lot of attention on them.

LX7 vs LX5

Both are Leica lenses (for ego purpose) and to my surprise, the f1.4 LX7 is obviously sharper than LX5 at the corners!!! Taking the same picture with LX7 at f1.4 will look better than LX5 at f2.0!!! That means LX7 is fully usable at f1.4 and not just a hype!!!

LX7 vs RX100

LX7 simply kill the RX100 at the borders and corners. This means while RX100 has a better sensor, it doesn't have a good enough lens to resolved it.

But RX100 is 20 megapixels and LX7 is only 10! If you downsized RX100 to 10mp and compare....

I hear you! Why downsized RX100 to 10mp? Why don't we make it more fun by up sizing 10mp to 20!!! Do it and be surprise that LX7 is actually much better? Why? Because sharp pictures can be up sized easily and still look very good.

But corners are not important
You win!

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Added on August 14, 2012, 6:52 pmDepth of Field (DOF) Comparison

I choked when both camera markets themselves as good at creating professional SLR quality bokeh... These compacts can do a lot of things as good as those high end cameras EXCEPT bokeh. Unless you shoot something very close to you (aka macro), shallow DOF is very hard to get.

LX7 has a crop factor of 5.1
RX100 has a crop factor of 2.7

LX7 aperture range f1.4-2.3
RX100 f1.8-4.9

In full frame DOF equivalent, we are like shooting with a 5d mark iii or D700 at the following aperture setting
LX7 f7.1-11.7
RX100 f4.9-13

Both sucks. Even though the f4.9 look "interesting" but it is on the wide end which is 28mm of FF so you don't really get much from it.

If you need bokeh, both cameras are not for you.

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Added on August 14, 2012, 7:00 pmWhy LX7 will kill off Canon G11, G12, S95, S100, Nikon P7100 and Olympus XZ1?

G11 and G12 has largest aperture of f2.8. The sensor is slightly worst than LX7 due to CCD characteristic.

LX7 has largest aperture of f1.4 that is fully usable. It has 2 stops advantage on low light performance! When you need to reach ISO800 on G12, you can still use ISO200 on your LX7 and on sensor so small, it is SKY and EARTH on noise level!!!

Aperture means a lot. The S95/S100 has f2.0 but still means 1 stop poorer than LX7. The XZ1 is f1.8. [XZ1 has the worst 1/1.7" sensor made by Panasonic, lol]

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: Aug 15 2012, 04:51 PM

wow.. sound nice.. hope this lx-7 launch in mas. faster.. appreciated the information..

This post has been edited by owlking: Aug 17 2012, 08:32 PM

got to agree those that want bokeh go get yourself a Canon EOS-M or Nex if you want bokeh on mini size.

Thanks for the reply. I thought no one interested in LX7.

Hong Kong already have stock and selling at eBay, the price keep dropping and now reach USD$510. US retail price is $499. A bit hard to guess Malaysia price because Panasonic camera stuff can be more expensive here.

Japan believe to get stock 23 Aug. Other places on September.

I have been able to "hack" the LX7 raw file and load it into LightRoom 4 and ISO400 of LX7 is very slightly better than GX1 ISO 1,600! This is a GREAT NEWS because let say you use GX1 with kit lens at f3.5 to f5.6. You will get better low light performance with LX7 than the GX1 because of the bright f1.4 lens and better CMOS sensor!!! If you shoot with GX1 at ISO1,600 at f3.5, you can shoot at f1.8 on LX7 ISO400 and still get very slightly better noise performance! And you still have room to stop down to f1.4. The same applies to the entire focal length. And the kit lens cannot go as wide as 24mm.

The Depth of Field of LX7 is almost the same as any m43 cameras using the kit lens! LX7 crop factor is 5.1x. m43 is 2x.
LX7 f1.4-2.3 becomes f7.1-11.7
m43 f3.5-5.6 becomes f7-11.2

Instead of thinking that it has a zoom lens, I prefer to think it as compact camera with 6 primes build in!

24mm F1.4
28mm F1.6
35mm F1.7
50mm F1.9
70mm F2.1
90mm F2.3

Just turn on the Step Zoom feature and you can move around this 6 focal length easily.

I have never been so excited about a small camera.

That is if the person does not have a gx1 with a fast lens. But then the price will not justify the comparison already.

The only thing that bother much about lx7 is the size is just not good for pocketing. It is almost same as the gx1 with the power zoom kit lens.

This post has been edited by 300078: Aug 18 2012, 07:31 AM

Why didnt you compare the cameras' size? Size is all a very important factor for people who considers to buy these cameras.

somebody posted this in dpreview:

"When the LX3 came out years ago, it was a breath of fresh air. It was small, it had the most commonly used FL zoom. It had a fast zoom lens. It had fantastic IQ. It had video! Having video on a camera at that time was a bit new.

The RX100 is now the new LX3. What it did great is that it made the sensor even bigger. And the low light performance is way ahead. So with the other features. If the LX3 or even LX5 was good, the RX100 is the first compact that is truly pocketable and that is on par with entry level DSLRs.

The LX7's dilemma is that it will pale in comparison to the RX100. I suppose Panasonic didn't see the RX100 coming, the same way many didn't see the LX3 coming in the early days. It's too late for the LX7, but on the next iteration, they better do something different. They could discontinue the line and create a new one, or revitalize the LX8 with a larger sensor and see if they can squeeze a 24-85 f2.0-4.5 lens in there. That should put it in the running again. As it is now, the LX7 is not like its grandfather before, or even the LX5. There is a new kid on the block and it is one hell of a camera. "

The above poster make sense and if XZ2 and S105 are going to be minor upgrades
like LX7 then Oly and Canon better go back to the drawing board or risk being
ignored like LX7. Really no exitement felt and no reason for LX5 owners to
upgrade. Maybe they should be classified as subpremium PnS targeted at budget
concious segment.

This is what make it exciting.... Still have no clue what they will bring. Xz2 with bigger sensor and maintain the lens speed (could be difficult becoz the bigger the sensor the bigger lens), as for s105 since canon already throw us 2 surprise with g1x and eos-m which are big sensor in small body. So it maybe interesting to see what the s105 will be like.

I think the LX7 is a great camera and the ND filter feature is very interesting, but the downside for me is the size. I have been using my trusty LX3 for almost 4 years and it's my go everywhere camera, but it is not exactly small and the LX7 is bigger. So the compactness of the RX100 is the outstanding feature for me, as it is a size which will make me take it everywhere without hesitation.

Here is a size comparison with LX3 and I like the fact the RX100 can fit inside small pouches which could not fit the LX3 :

This size is not compared because I am trying to show something that most people can't see instead (low light performance, corner sharpness, etc).

For size, it will be very obvious to the buyer. Just like it is very obvious iPhone will be smaller than any of these and 5d mark iii will be bigger than this two.

Both are good cameras and depends on what you what to pick on, if you want pocket ability, RX100 is the way to go. If you want better shooting experiences (more buttons and dials, better menus, etc)
, LX series is the way to good. So as the 24mm wide end, do you need it? If you need it, RX100 will be out. Also do you plan to use the hotshoe, maybe for a flash or electronic viewfinder? These stuff a bit more obvious, what I try to bring to the table is again, the combination of the sensor with the lens.

p/s your LX3 mode dial... can also see your hand in the shutter button, haha.

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: Aug 18 2012, 02:06 PM

Totally agree, it's really about what you are looking for in a camera. I was really tempted by the LX7 lens and ND filter feature, and for sure the LX7 is better at keeping a wide aperture at all focal lengths.

Yah, my LX3 is really widely travelled, the mode dial is due to the frequent sliding in & out of the pouch. I have a replacement mode dial but I never got round to replacing it and now I don't need to :-)

Here is a LX7 hands-on review by a Singapore photographer will quite some good pics.

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/reviews/112...view-hosea.html

Those photos shows more about the shooter than the camera le... low res summore.

Hello Guys,

Canada is shipping the LX7 right now. A shop in US is shipping the FZ200 1 week ahead of schedule. All shops in US promised LX7 shipping in August. Japan will be this Thursday. There should be more user reviews coming out but hopefully we we got some good photos and not just snapshots.

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Added on August 20, 2012, 6:12 pmCorrect. His eyes are quite good. Looks to me he is interested in web posting only and never prints since he say ISO800 looks good. He also shoot JPEG only.

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: Aug 20 2012, 06:12 PM

Taiwan already on the shelf jor.

ps: Just read some review.. nothing dramatic over LX5 in terms of sensor. Still small sensor look.

First LX7 user review, lots of good info comparing to RX100 and Nikon 1.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=42305485

Point is.. the "small sensor syndrome" still remains ie grain at low ISO, shadow noise. That poster can tolerate up to ISO6400 on the J1 and ISO1000 on the LX7... heck I can't even tolerate ISO3200 on APS-C . Maybe its time to abandon compact di.

Definitely another web only photographer who don't print...

I just want it to be good at ISO200 and emergency use on ISO400. Never expect myself to use ISO800. Hope more reviews keep flowing.

My plan --> Keep XZ-1, Keep 60D + lens but don't buy more, buy NEX-F3 or NEX-6.

here is a field test of both LX7 and Rx100 by an actual user

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=42336918

This post has been edited by idoblu: Aug 28 2012, 08:43 AM

Hmm more dilemma, considering to upgrade my lx3.. LX3 is not that pocketable actually.. Wish it's a bit smaller.. It's a tight fit in my hiking bag..

DSLR is not really that suitable for my hiking/outdoor activities. Looking for something that can mount waterproof casing too if possible

P/S: on LX3, the white balance is always a major headache.. Auto will be far off, i always use cloudy as I like a warmer tone but in indoor condition it became too warm.
How's the video output?

This post has been edited by Sky.Live: Aug 28 2012, 12:18 PM

Updates:

Popco review on LX7 (in Korean but with beautiful pictures)
http://www.popco.net/zboard/view.php?id=di...DMC-LX7_01.html

Lighroom release update to support LX7 and RX100 raw file, you can start doing your RAW comparison!
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/lightroom4-2.html

And RX100 got this blue cast thingy across its image.

i suspect this is common among Sony camera. I hate it on my NEX, make every photos look colder than it should.

what is the MRSP?

Manufacturer Recommended Selling Price

no i mean what is the price of it
<rm2k in m'sia?

This post has been edited by sai86: Aug 28 2012, 05:51 PM

This must be joke of the century, I need to hide under the table. US is selling $499, Hong Kong selling $489, I guess street price will be around RM1,599 in Malaysia.

nah, its ok. thxs for the price. seems great and nicely priced. need to find a camera after sold my d90.
gotta read the review later on.

Singapore is selling Lx-7 at 749 w/GST and RX100 for 999 w/GST.

DXOMark release score for RX100!!!









It has very good color depth and dynamic range. If they have not stuck more megapixels into it, it should have a better high ISO performance. Now it is just slightly better than Nikon 1.

DXOMark is strange because they have not publish score for OMD-EM5 but actually went to publish the score for RX100 which is a very new camera. Hopefully they will publish LX7 score ASAP.

Hmmm... notbad.jpg

But I'm poison free di.

Got Antidote One Meh? Apple mix with Colgate? TV + Remote Control? LOL

Bank account empty = cure for every poison la

Oh, that is temporary cure only, trust me it won't work!

Sooner or later bank account will have money. Start with a lot of itchiness, then more and more, then fully poisoned! LOL.

Photokina coming, lots of poison coming... including XZ2!

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: Sep 7 2012, 03:11 PM

where can i get LX-7 in KL?

Here:-

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2499025

Did you get the lx7 from him???

No, not from him. Lots of people selling now.

wa aiseh,, now got poisoned loh.. need to get both the lx7 and fz200... but dunno which seller can give original panasonic warranty...??? can give suggestions? Thanks ..!

This post has been edited by budgee: Sep 10 2012, 10:19 AM

No lar... surrender keeping up with all the new gears di and my resolution is no more camera gear buying be it compact, lens or whatever.

You wanna tok poison? Meet RX1.. the RX100 big bad brother. Full frame with fixed 35mm f2. Now how badass is that!!

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/sony-rx1-i...xed-zeiss-lens/

That seller selling at 1.5k, sounds good

i wonder why making this lx7 vs rx100 instead of lx7 vs ex2f ? ex2f offer quite nice specification also..

Because on paper, everyone has a perception that RX100 is better than LX7. This is because of the sensor size and the mega sized 20 megapixels. But these cameras does not have interchangeable lenses and you have to look at them along with the lens aperture and quality. By using Dxomark and ImaginingResources samples, we can evaluate their performance and compare them. Also I have focused more on image quality (combination of sensor and lens) instead of other factors such as camera size and ergonomics (shooting experience), focal length, etc.

EX2F is very similar to LX7 because they have the same sensor size. So as XZ-1, S100, etc. The most interesting feature it has over LX7 is the flip screen. Unfortunately, they don't get market share and most review sites don't even bother to look at them. Dxomark doesn't even rate ex1 and to be very honest I am not aware of ex1 all these time! ImagingResources doesn't provide image samples for ex2f too. So it is hard to do anything as what I have done with RX100 and LX7. Now dxomark has released score for RX100 (ISO score of 190) which makes the comparison even more easier. If dxomark score of LX7 came out around 195, it will confirm everything I have said.

If you have specific questions about any of the cameras, just ask it here and all of us will be very happy to discuss them.

Can anyone give an opinion on comparisions between LX7 and Sony NEX 5/7 with kit lenses?
I believe the Sony kit lense only have aperture of f3.5.
So under low light conditions or night street scenes which ones would be better?

When using base ISO (80 for LX7 and 100 for NEX 5N) the picture of NEX 5N will always be cleaner. However ISO 80 of LX7 looks very good already and can sustain some post processing too.

At high ISO, they perform the same thanks to LX7 large aperture of 1.4.

I estimate Dxomark ISO score of LX7 to be 180+.
NEX 5N is already rated as 1,079.

NEX has close to 2 2/3 stops advantage in ISO performance.
However, if you are just using kit lens on NEX, at the wide end, LX7 will have 2 2/3 stops advantage (f1.4 vs f3.5) so it offset the NEX ISO advantage by exactly the same amount.
At tele end, LX7 is f2.3 and Nex kit at f5.6, that's also 2 2/3 stops difference, so it again offset the NEX ISO advantage.

So they are the same when come to low light shooting.

However, depth of field is different. You will still get 1 stop more bokeh from NEX in full frame equivalent. What I mean is the bokeh you get is the same as shooting with a full frame camera at f5.25-8.4 (NEX) and f7.14-11.73 (LX7). Since we barely shoot more than f8 with full frame, both setup are not really good at getting bokeh, unless you invest in a f1.8 primes for your NEX camera.

That's why I have sold my Nex 5N to fund this LX7. I can no longer swap lens but I get a smaller camera in return that can do almost the same as the kit lens. I also get more buttons and dials to play with which I really miss with the Nex 5N (However, the new NEX 6 announced today has more buttons and an EVF! But it will cost RM3k+).

LX7 is RM1,500. NEX 5N with kit is around RM2,200. NEX camera has very good grip although the camera is very small. But the lens is just too big for my taste. LX7 is power zoom white NEX is mechanical zoom. Some people don't like the zoom speed of the LX7. I can shoot with primes when I use my SLR so certainly turning the lever to zoom is certainly faster than changing lens.

I understand both cameras quite well, feel free to ask anything you want.

p/s when it come to mirrorless with changeable lenses, I have decided to go for micro four thirds because of the lens choice and for some reason, I just love Panasonic cameras although they don't sell well (have tried Olympus, Sony and Fuji... sold them all).

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Added on September 12, 2012, 4:26 pmIf you calculate the same way, you will be surprise that LX7 will be better in low light comparing to other "kits" such as 600D/60D/7D with kit lens and also GX1/GF1/PEN with kit lens. Of course, those camera can come back to kill LX7 by using primes. Size, weight and compactness is the biggest trade-off here.

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: Sep 12 2012, 04:26 PM

Thanks for your insight.

I'm still using my LX3. Currently, considering upgrading to LX3, RX100 or NEX 7. Not sure whether I can put up with the bulkiness of the NEX + lense.
Sony cameras does seem to have modes like sweep panorama, hand held twilight while the LX7 has build in ND filters.

Do consider NEX 6 as well. To me it looks better than Nex 7 and Nex 5R (replace Nex 5N) because it is "only" 16mp, has a build in EVF & hotshoe, 1 external mode dial + 2 control dials (but not implemented well, hopefully firmware will fix it) and of course, it is cheaper than Nex 7. Unfortunately, the touchscreen feature found in NEX 5N/5R is not available in the 6 and 7 (Really 67... lol)

The tests are good and well in a test environment if done right. But nothing beats a one to one comparison by someone who has both cameras and who has to be objective enough to say it like it is based on real world tests.

Perhaps its better you view the comparison done in link below...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=42435318

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Added on September 12, 2012, 7:17 pm
if you don't click at the bottom to see the whole conversation thread, you will miss the pics.. which is found in link below.


http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=42440005

This post has been edited by budgee: Sep 12 2012, 07:17 PM

same dilemma haha

Trying out my new LX7 tonight ....

please... post some photo.. hehe

A camera that I can bring anywhere compared to a heavy dslr.

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Added on September 15, 2012, 5:37 pmLow lighting in indoor, ( f1.4, 1/60 sec, ISO 320, 5mm or 24mm in 35mm focal length )
adequate if need to print.





a quick shot .. ( f1.4, 1/60sec, iso500, 5mm )




a night shot .. (f1.4, 1/60 sec, iso400, 5 mm)

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Added on September 15, 2012, 10:25 pmWith good light, the camera is excellent. But that goes for most cameras.
Its in low light that this camera makes use of its large aperture of f1.4 to make a difference.


Other things I like is the color reproduction. The reds are accurate, so are the greens and blues.
I also like the feature to change the white balance in steps and you can watch the screen while the changes in warmth or coolness of the scene takes place.
Basically my criteria for getting a camera is one that can help me get the shot. This means that the cam must shoot with minimum shutter delay, sometimes there are scenes where if you miss the moment, its gone forever. It must also have good wide angle lens in order to get the elements into the frame, i rate this very highly as each photo has a story to tell for a walkabout cam. Picture composition will make the difference between a good pic and a so so pic.
The low light capability is another impt one as this will be the difference between a sharp pic and a blurry one, without using the flash. I normally like to shoot with natural lighting. So it depends on what you want the cam to do for you.

But at the high ISOs, there are distinct noise levels. It is OK for me. But for those who pixel peep, you may want to check further. And this is probably due to the small size of its sensor. If you want to snap pics and then do major cropping, the pixelation will start to show. But if you do minimum cropping and with about 8 mpixels, you can print 8 x 10 without issues. That is the most i want. i mostly keep pics for viewing on the screen and create slide shows to play back on the TV.

This post has been edited by budgee: Sep 16 2012, 07:19 AM

Much as DXO marks has made people become very clinical in photography, I still very much stick to "whichever camera that inspires me/make me want to shoot with them" philosophy.

For 1 aspect alone, I'd go for Sony RX100 without second thought, build. The build on LX7 is shallow, plasticky, and hollow in between, the grip area is squeeky, with very strong hint of plastic build. Sony RX100 on the other hand is very packed, grip is good, and cliche I know but it's really very solid.

I understand some people might agree that the advantage of having bigger sensor might be negated but the sub par jpeg engine/sub par lens, but one thing very aparent in the sample pictures you showed above that is lacking: dynamic range. IMO dynamic range of the sensor is the deciding factor od whether or not your photos "look" or "feeL' very compact camera-ish. **check the ceiling light on the first pic.

**note: i'm merely a hobbyist so I may sound ignorant please forgive me if I do. =)

The Sony and the Panasonic are cameras with different specs, so to compare one with the other is not apple to apple.
- the sensor makes a big difference for the Sony, Panny's one is really small
- the lens is another one ( i need the 24mm wide angle, the few mm makes a big diff and the f-stop 1.4 is great )
- the price is also one more to consider - 1500 vs Sony's 2200, approximately

If I had a choice for an ideal compact carry everywhere camera, I would want the Sony's sensor, body size (- although it may be a bit too small to put all the Panny's controls in), the Panasonic's lens, Panny's cam body controls and menu system, macro focusing speed of the Panny..

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The other thing is the HD video, sometimes i do want to be able to shoot at least 1 hour of video whether its a performance or some presentation attended.
The LX7 is set to a limit of 30 mins or so. I really need to test this to be sure. But the Sony cannot shoot over a certain time as the sensor or battery will overheat and a warning will appear before it will shut down. This is built in to protect the sensitive chips inside and as the design is so compact, there is little room for the heat to escape, i think there are reports that this time is between 10 mins to about 20 before overheating and this will depend on the external room temperature.

The previous LX5 could shoot video until the battery ran out which is about 2 hours plus.. so i will be checking out how to get this on the lx7 too.

This post has been edited by budgee: Sep 17 2012, 06:00 PM

Hmmm, i think i may just get the rx100 to play around, the size is a big advantage. If i do get one, it will be to test it fully and give away as a gift to someone's birthday next month.. Heh heh..

As a compact cam, it does fulfill most of the average teenager's requirements.. High IQ, small pocketable size, point and shoot ease...

statue was lighted up with some spot lights, shot in paradigm mall. f1.8, 1/80 sec, iso160, 8mm, almost all shots are in iAuto.



This post has been edited by budgee: Sep 17 2012, 09:29 PM

That looks rather good even under iA mode.. a bit regret din get but I am waiting for Fujifilm's offer in a way.. since my LX3 still perfectly usable

I'm not a photog so i dont know how to set camera setting manually.

just wondering:
1) this camera is good when set to auto mode? i mean point and shoot without adjusting every parameter
2) is it good in indoor/low-lighting area without using flash?

thanks.

1. For most cameras, you can use the Auto mode and it will use the defaults that you preset (such as max ISO). If you are more adventurous, you can try the Aperture priority ('A' mode), try to change the aperture and see the difference in depth of field (DOF or what is known as Bokeh - sharp at focus area but all other things in the background appear in a smooth, creamy blurriness. You can try the Shutter priority ('S' mode) and take a lot of test pictures with each setting changing the shutter speed in 'S' mode. This mode can give you the appearance of a moving car with the tyres "spinning", try shooting a moving car at 1/20 sec or lower speeds for that effect which will give you a photo that shows an object that seems to be moving.

If you try the Program mode ('P' mode), the camera will be able to shoot almost like in Auto mode.

Change the ISO to low figures for very bright situations like direct sunlight. Change the ISO to high figures like 800, 1600 for very low light. Low ISO will result in images that are clearly defined, while High ISO will cause the image to be noisy.

2. Good in indoor/low light without flash depends on the camera's lens (f1.8 and less is good) and setting a higher ISO speed without being too noisy with pixels that are not well defined.



This post has been edited by budgee: Oct 6 2012, 09:45 PM

A shot in the night.. f1.4, 1/30sec, ISO400 ( LX7 will put a message on screen that its a handheld night shot and multiple pictures will be captured in one shot)
taken 6-Oct-2012 - 8.10pm....



This post has been edited by budgee: Oct 6 2012, 10:31 PM

Rx100, f1.8, 1/100 sec, ISO 3200
taken just tomite as well

heh heh... same place wor.

f1.5, 1/15sec, iso400


This post has been edited by budgee: Oct 6 2012, 10:43 PM

F1.8, 1/100 sec, ISO 3200

it's fun while I try to test the LX7 at KLPF, coming the guy with RX100 and interested to see the LX7 perform.
we done a simple test with both similar setting, the results is very clear different in term of noise, sharpness and white balance.

Both have their own strength in term of user experience and quality.
I have my own winner for this test, and everyone around there should feel the same with our simple comparison. I don't want to say much about the comparison here since it is just simple and quick test. you guys just go to KLPF and test your self.


The LX7 is great for a lot of control dials and button, and the price is quite attractive!

This post has been edited by RX-78-2: Oct 7 2012, 12:34 AM

Is there any way to take a night shot that looks a bit closer to the rx100? I'm a newbie in this and just got a LX-7. From the comparison of your shot and idoblu, the pana's one seems very yellow. (Altho everything seems clearer, just that somehow it doesnt look very natural) Or we can just input these settings - F1.8, 1/100 sec, ISO 3200 ? (not even sure how to do this for my cam hehe)

Sorry for noob questions!

yes, tested and compared LX7 is quite yellow even for the same setting as Rx100. might need to adjust it in PP.

If it appears too yellow, that is because the lights there are yellowish.

In any case, you can change the white balance before shooting.
Put the dial to iAuto, look at the four buttons forming a circle ( ISO, WB, FN, 'timer') press on the WB button,
this will put you in the white balance setting and you can set the warmth (more yelllow) or cool (more blueish).

Try it and feedback here whether it works for you or not.

for comparison sake, this taken with Nikon J1. white balance on auto but processed quite a bit, if don't want to edit it's quite impossible to take such shot without a tripod+long shutter. overall it's in between RX100 (blue'ish) and LX7 (greenish). which one better depends on personal, but always shoot RAW so you can tweak the white balance later.


Night Shot by Little Ice LYN, on Flickr

EDIT: removed the comments regarding the white balance accuracy due to wrong assumption.

This post has been edited by little ice: Oct 12 2012, 11:41 AM

woo, ice! very nice!

way to go Nikon!

This post has been edited by budgee: Oct 12 2012, 09:48 AM

the Nikon one does look very sharp.... wait this is about lx7 vs rx100... how come nikon also come out already. If Nikon come out with a nice pancake fast lens then it will be fun.

actually it's nice only after processing lol but it does respond to processing very well.

yup but so happened got several shots taken at same place might as well join the fun since Nikon 1 also same sensor size as rx100.

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Added on October 12, 2012, 11:30 amalthough i don't have LX7 but you're talking about white balance which has nothing to do with aperture/shutter/ISO. most camera will have certain color characteristic when it comes to color processing but if you do set to shoot RAW+jpeg you can always use the RAW to edit later, it's like you can travel back to time and set the white balance. if you set white balance (color temperature) with jpeg, some color/contrast will be lost if you start to tweak it.

you can try M mode with shutter speed set to 1/20~1/30 depends how steady you can hold your camera, aperture to f1.4~f1.8 (smaller number means more light coming in but smallest number f1.4 might give softer looking output) and set ISO to auto so it'll choose the appropriate ISO for you. you can even try setting ISO to 200 if lots of lightings there but check the metering which should tell you it's going to be underexposed or overexposed.

This post has been edited by little ice: Oct 12 2012, 11:42 AM

Yup, that's right. White balance has nothing to do with aperture, shutter speed and ISO. White balance is to tune the warmth or coolness of the picture. For eg, if you shoot a photo with incandescent bulb lighting, it will be different from flourescent lighting. It can be adjusted though.

In LX7, you can choose the Star filter in the Creative control setting, which gives glittering stars...

Hope all the user can give some input.

How's the LX7 compared to say a ELP1 and a X10?
I know it is not a really fair comparison per se.

Reason is the E-PL1 with kit is going for RM 1k on Lelong (not sure of street price). Add a manual fish eye, its around total not much more.

What I'm interested in is the focus speed & low light. E-PL1 focus is kind of slow. Is the LX7 much faster.

Previous experience FZ28 and Pentax K100D. The FZ28 hunts & really slow. The K100d faster but at low light levels, hunts as well

I believe LX7 sales is not doing very well for Panasonic and I think they have abandoned the line completely and focus on GM series instead.

Sony RX100 mark III has just be announced and it comes with faster aperture and live viewfinder! RX100 series totally killed the once-a-legend LX series, not killed, slaughtered.

Even I am a big Panasonic fan, I have to say if you are looking for camera of this size (serious compact), RX100 mark II or mark III is the way to go.

for panasonic fan, i think GM1 is ur answer..?

but for me im waiting RX100 price to drop!

I think I am wrong, Panasonic is not abandoning LX series!

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-confirmed-by-t...coming-in-july/

I guess LX8 will match RX100 mark III specs with the same 1" sensor size and built-in EVF or else there is really no point to launch it at all.

oh wow~

http://thenewcamera.com/tag/panasonic-lx8/

i really cant decide which to buy, the rx100 or lx7.. this might be a good news for me

MIGHT~

Damn! .... Sold-out!

if u trust Lazada

http://www.lazada.com.my/import-panasonic-...ack-542542.html

Thanks for the link.

I am an amateur in photography (basically just point & shoot) & already have the Lumix TZ30. Just about to learning to tweak with the manual settings.

Would it be a wise choice to upgrade to Lumix LX7, Sony RX100 M??? or better wait for the LX8?
Thanks for any suggestions/comments.

i would wait for LX8.. then only decide.. no hurry for me..

Thanks for your suggestion.

Wait for all to come out. Canon G17 rumors have it also coming with an 1" sensor.

Think all the premium PNS cameras are getting at least 1" to be assured its bigger than cell phone sensors. I mean sony z2 has a 1/2.3 sensor and nokia 1020 has 1/1.5 sensor. LX7, G16, S120 all have 1/1.7" sensors so yeah they are being challenged. And Sony RX100 mk1 price keeps going down too.

This post has been edited by Rice_Owl84: Jun 5 2014, 07:43 PM

http://www.dpreview.com/products/panasonic...sonic_dmcfz1000

so LX8/9 is near?!

Rather strange Panasonic launches the superzoom first.

Its probably the 4K video marketing. GH4, first mirriorless/dslr to have 4K video. Then FZ1000 first bridge camera to have 4K video. And hopefully the LX8 will be the first premium compact to have 4K video. If they want to steal market shares away from Sony rx100 they better get that 4K feature to get a selling edge.

Not to rain on your parade.
I wonder how would you consume 4k files. Not everyone has a 50 inch 4k tv and 4k lcd projector. There's no drastic improvements when you look at those files on normal pc monitor and you don't exactly sit in front of a 50" monitor to do your editing. Furthermore 4k ready pc still cost a bomb if you want to do native 4k editing. Presently the only advantage you get with 4k definition is doing visual effects for tracking stabilization and composition work. Not saying it won't catch on just that content delivery platform need to reach a point where it's affordable and easier to manage.

Yeah I will still export the end product in 1080p. But that's what 4K is to me, footage that can be cropped without losing much quality. There's even reviews saying a cropped 4k converted to 1080p still has more details than shooting 1080p straight.

More versatility to edit to make better 1080p results. I don't have a 4K camera yet but can already imagine the benefits. But I'll be patient and wait for the 4K to mature. Mainly because I can't afford to jump from Canon to Panasonic GH4.

If the Panasonic LX8 does come with 4K video and affordable price. I will be giving that 4K a try then. If not I might be trying a Go Pro instead (I know its 4K doesn't have useable frames but 2.7K is still good). I do want a small unman camera shooting wide shots and even better if can be quality cropped.

Edit: Not sure if you can also fake a sliding panning 1080p shot from 4k footage but that be awesome, no need for sliders!

This post has been edited by Rice_Owl84: Jun 23 2014, 04:38 PM

will the LX8 image as sharp as the LX3/5 + contrast LX7(1.4f)

hmm maybe 2.0f = Summicron (if badge as Summicron = best compare to similar range?)

If you ok with cropping unlike some *cough*purist*cough*, 4k or above is the way to go. Actually you can simulate a realistic shaky cam effect on a static framing or vice versa at ease as long as you frame your subject a tad wider. If can do panning for real,just do it on set. Cause the 2x magnification really does not give you a lot of room. How good is the image quality pretty much boils down to the video codec compression and sensor size. At the end of the day - what you pay is what you get. Furthermore, these cameras are the first batch so who knows how will it change down the road. I believe when laptop or tablet processing power reach a point of handling 4k materials, things will get more interesting.

so...

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-lx8-...-specs-roundup/

is either different 1" sensor

or

not 1" sensor (LX7 +3% = LX5 sensor size?)