Original post: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6308702022

Main points:
I know most of the players @ LYN are IT savvies but this is just a heads up / alert to players here. I visited the webpage myself and I must say its cloning skill are, not that bad. Can easily catch unsuspecting players; or even those whom are experienced internet users if they are not alert / careful enough.

Better be safe than sorry

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Aug 14 2012, 12:40 PM

yeap, watched the video and OMFG! luckily he just hacked the fella's pc for the diablo virtual stuff.... what if he did something else?

Yes. That'd be pretty scary, I believe at least half of the victims that fell for this have not cleaned their PC from it yet, as most of them do not know what to do. Since the hacker can access their PC at any time, they may fall for it again in the future, or even lose something valuable IRL (say, rl $/etc)

LOOOOOLLLLZzzzZz

you'd like to think the format master technician are really IT savvy.

regardless, thanks for the heads up

Haha. It's just a prevention inb4 replies like "hahaha who will fall for this! only l33tn00bz wilL!" starts appearing

No problem for that, just wanna alert players here, since prevention is better than cure itself

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Aug 14 2012, 01:47 AM

thx for the heads up

but lately there are too many b@stards on public games

my hC charc just died yesterday coz some douchebag did the banner warp mob lure shit

its kinda a fact that the game is gonna get filled with a$$holes like these ppl since most of the better players quit this game already.

lol sorry to hear that

your HC what level?

36 iirc, i wouldnt be so pissed if it was other class, but it was a wiz, and my last wiz died at 53, kinda wanna ditch this game altogether now, wiz is a b!tch to lvl

if you play HC with pubs, you have no one to blame but yourself.
hell, you play HC and you died, never saw it coming or what?

ps: see why i don't play HC? dont think i need the unneeded frustration in my Casual™ gaming

i agree its my own fault for that death, but nahhh, still hate fvckers that does these kinda things, its a cheap thing to do, i dont mind dying, but not like this.

I think thats a pretty bad statement. Its more or less the equivalent of saying "If you get robbed while going out, you have nobody to blame but yourself for leaving your house".

I know, you're going to say that its not the same because we need to leave the house to work, to shop etc etc. But then I'll say I play public games because I need to go out and interact with people. So what next?

Below is my prediction of how this discussion will go.

If I play HC, my games will be private at all times unless you play with someone you know, even with that when you play with your buddies, it is standard procedure to ask about their status before banner warp...

im too paranoid to trust my hc char to pubs. but that's just me

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Added on August 14, 2012, 10:44 amsee, relating real life incidents and the internet is your biggest mistake already.

there's this thing called anonymity which can turn even the nicest guy IRL to complete assholes on the internet. if you need me to explain further, then i think it's best that you experience the internet more yourself. or maybe take a glance at website/boards like 4chan.
not to mention robbing someone have dire consequences of getting fined and/or jailed assuming you're caught. griefing a HC character in a game? nope that's legal. there's also a disclaimer that if you play HC and it dies, you have NO DISPUTE or whatsoever with the admins.

but hey maybe keep the prediction to yourself next time. maybe you can go "HAH TOTALLY PREDICTED THAT" instead of me saying "lol you predict wrong"
really though, what's the point?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 14 2012, 10:44 AM

i wonder why people play HC ? 1 death all your efforts go down to drain, not like some other MMORPG, the HC style gets you x5 exp and x5 drops.
but diablo one still the same shit, just perma death mode.

i already ditch this game and just log in to make some extra bucks of USD for my new game

good for you

HC bcos there are excitement inside. SC die then die la can revive. HC is where your true skill plays (apart from gears)

Sure..the excitment is intense..but the pain of losing your HC hero to lag storm is too hard to bear...that is why I dont play HC. So many times liao play play...masuk cave meet elites...stand there cannot move 3 sec..."you have died and yuor items lose 10%..."

SC when die due to lag will...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU you mother fakka TM nut/Blizzard....not my fault I die wei!!!!!!!!! I duno how will I act if my level 59 HC died..because of 1.5k latency for 3 sec...

most of us that played HC understand the risk we face, i dont expect others to follow suit nor understand what we feel when our charc dies(each of us have our own preference)

there is so many ways how a HC charc can die, but dying by griefing is just wrg for me in a moral point of view. its not unexpected.

im just a human, i do have a level of attachment to my charcs, and when it gets killed by a way i find really wrong, i do get angry, but such is life, we move on.

what gamers look for in a game varies so much these days, some find relaxation in it, some look for challange, some just look for it to waste time etc etc.

as for me, i have kinda just let that anger and incident go after a good sleep, but if i find anyone i know doing that grief shit, ill fvcking grief u irl

Wow, u guys/girls dares to play HC?

i foresee lagmodan will kill meh

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Added on August 14, 2012, 12:05 pmi feel u Lord of Grief...

i dun play HC, but even dieing in softporn pisses me off

This post has been edited by olman: Aug 14 2012, 12:05 PM

Wow the amount of apathy shown in those threads towards people scamming others at their own leisure is incredible. Does that really reflect the actual in-game community ?

Oh, I didn't mean to antagonise you. The prediction was merely to try and speed it up and so we can get where we are.

Anywho, how is relating real life to this situation a mistake? If the "dire consequences" really mattered then there will be no petty crime and/or hooliganism. No, people are a-holes because they are a-holes (please don't take that personally. I am in no way referring to you). Legal has nothing to do with anything.

It still doesn't change the fact that "its our own fault" is a bad statement.

look around here and you will know how ugly part of the gaming community is, again, its the internet, everyone takes things for granted, everyone can talk smack behind a mask facing no consequences. i just wish they got the balls to do it face to face.

its malaysia, apathy levels is really sky high for many long years already. put it to the internet, and you'll get that multiplied easily by a few folds.

Too many fappings?

it still doesnt change the fact that this is how it works on the internet. if you're too naive to not expect it, who can you blame? and what does blaming do?

i mean, if you play HC joining my game, i dont get any backlash or repercussion from griefing you; and because you would probably cry about it (eg: making a thread/post on the forum about how your HC character got griefed) and/or being so naive about how i wont ever grief you, won't you think that the possibility of me griefing your face off sky rocket to the point that if i don't do it, "i am a sohai" as some of the "smarter people" within this forum would like to throw around?

I think you are straying from the point.

You say : Its your fault for playing public games on HC.
I say : How can I be blamed for playing the game in a manner that I enjoy only to be griefed?
You say : You are naive. How can you not expect to be griefed? Whats the point of pointing fingers?

And that is a summary of what we have covered so far. You still haven't answered my initial question.

i think i have answered, and will answer again:
because that is how it works on the internet, and you're naive for not knowing how it works.

if you cannot grasp that, let me TRY to pull out an example:
- red traffic light means stop
- you do not know it works like that
- you attempt to cross the road, almost got rolled over by a bus
- you then attempt to blame the bus for not looking out for you despite you crossing when the pedestrian light shows red

I think you are really missing the point here. In this case, the bus is driven by a maniac who has decided he wants to run me over.

My issue here is this, I am playing by the rules and others aren't. If I cry about being griefed, it is my right. But in your mind, its my fault. So far, you have called me naive but still failed to illustrate how its "my fault". Stop beating around the bush.

the bus is driving when it is green light (for him, red for you) as per normal.

also, there are no rules against griefing. please try to read the EULA/TOC and tell me if there are rules against griefing (particularly against killing HC characters if you may and not "vague statements like causing harm to other players"). if there really are, i stand corrected

until then... internet.
and no, you not accepting my answer/explanation (or even facts if you will, but i guess i can refrain from using such strong words as you're clearly in denial) doesn't mean i am beating around the bush. i believe my answers are as clear as day for everyone to take it as they will. you clearly don't, that's the end of the story now isn't it?

Wrong bro..it is with consequences
Section 114A of the Evidence Act is gooding enough..

oh you.

Yes me..problem officer?

On the contrary, I accept your answers. The thing I cannot accept is your statement "its your own fault". You insist on saying its the HC players fault for being griefed in HC. You still have not shown that its "my fault".

well played lo

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Added on August 14, 2012, 3:25 pmlike i said. i have shown you that is how it works, and if you don't think it works that way, proceed as you see the world through your tinted glass expecting nothing to happen, that is YOUR OWN CHOICE, and if anything happen, you PAY the consequences for your OWN IGNORANCE.

i have shown you MULTIPLE examples. and even pointed out on the very first reply how using RL examples are a HORRIBLE way to deal with this. and you NEVER ACCEPT it. i cannot help it if all i am saying are fallen on deaf ears. look, very simple. if you think thats not a problem, proceed to go public with a HC character, and if it dies from banner porting to someone go report blizzard. maybe they will ban him, maybe your HC character can be restored. i don't know, i'm not blizz.

kewl?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 14 2012, 03:25 PM

You see, you keep using words like "YOUR OWN CHOICE" "OWN IGNORANCE" but you fail to attribute any responsibility onto the griefer.

I play HC, I don't make a big deal about it but then you come in here and tell me that I should not play public HC games. Your single minded-ness has blinded you. I agree that if I jumped into ponyland without checking and I die, it is my fault. But I cannot accept that, according to you, its wrong to play public HC games.

because it isn't wrong griefing? again, i kindly asked you to prove me otherwise (which i stand correct if that is the case, or simpleton way of saying: "you win, happy?"):


you have not only failed to answer me that, you kept accusing me for my "single mindedness" and regardless of *MY OWN OPINION* that it is wrong to play public HC games, and if *YOU CHOOSE* to do so, you must be prepared for its potential consequences.

i mean, really, do i have any say on HOW YOU PLAY YOUR GAME?
i merely pointed out if you play it in such a way (hc, go public) you have a risk of getting griefed, and you have no one to blame but yourself knowingly (obviously you do not know) that griefers are out to get (grief) you.

look man, its really that simple:
you don't want to accept, that's your problem. i cant force it into you (as evidently)

so i will just rest my case here. for everyone's sake though please don't come crying when you have a HC character griefed on public games (or your own rl friend or something, that one you can just sort it out by IRL PVP kk?)

Why can't I cry here if I want to? This is exactly what I'm talking about. If I cry here to other players, you tell me don't play public HC. How is this not telling me how to play my game?

And also, yes there is no EULA/TOS that says players can't grief one another. Or a simpleton's way of telling you "You win, happy?"

*noticed female tag*
hmmm...

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*look at body shape*
BUT U HAFTA WAIT A WHILE UNTIL I GET 6-PAX!!!

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