QUOTE(john123x @ Aug 13 2012, 06:56 PM)
Do online DIY and still incur full sales charge?Public Mutual v4, Public/PB series funds
Public Mutual v4, Public/PB series funds
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Aug 13 2012, 07:01 PM
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Aug 13 2012, 07:05 PM
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Aug 13 2012, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 13 2012, 09:12 PM) Yes, I am a Pub-Mut UTC mainly to access the internal data for better decision making (e.g. Fund beta, Standard Deviation) and to save on Sales Charge. bos, apa tu "CUTA"? I use Pub-Mut for KWSP funds since I get sales charge of only 1% after deducting the agent commission. This is still bearable IMO. Mois, I have been using the Multi-Fund platform such as FSM since 2008 mainly for cash investment because I will never pay 5.5% for SC. In the near future once I get my CUTA license, I will be looking at zero sales charge. Xuzen |
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Aug 14 2012, 03:59 PM
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Aug 14 2012, 04:06 PM
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Aug 15 2012, 01:36 PM
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IMHO, for us fund investors, we should be aware and take into consideration a fund's AER. But, if the fund has demonstrated respectable performance over a reasonably long timeframe (for me, 3-5 years track record would do), I would bear with its SLIGHTLY higher than its peers AER.
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Aug 16 2012, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Aug 16 2012, 02:42 PM) for the current market situation, its very hard to break even in the short term in any funds. assuming u already planed to exit from UT after the break even.... param not optimistic about foreign equities? my suggestion, switch all the funds to bond funds now...... stop DDI..... wait for GE....... market may/will drop (but dont know how may/low will be).... switch back to local equity funds, those focus to local marlet 100% after the GE. u may get break even faster. (but dont know how the faster). take note... china market is abt to recover from bottom. and also expected local funds will be uptrend until GE, (assuming no external factor wil affect local market) sharing only. |
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Sep 1 2012, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(justanovice @ Sep 1 2012, 11:37 AM) Hello, so anyone still holding PCIF / PCSF like me? Loss around 40%. If i am not mistaken, the brochure i got for these funds states expected result for coming year is -x%, means the fund anticipated loss further? Fund Manager income is from the Management Fee, which is calculated as a % of the Net Asset Value of the fund.Seriously all pro here, any reason for us to keep this fund? Also just curious, if funds under perform like this, any impact to fund managers? Just wanna know if these ppl will strive harder to make adjustments. The only possible implication of underperformance is, investors withdrawing from the fund --> reduction of fund NAV --> reduction of management fee charged Other than that |
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Sep 1 2012, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(jootat @ Sep 1 2012, 01:01 PM) Same situation here. Mine also loss more than 40% for PCIF & PCSF. But after consulting the tai gor and tai kah che here and also my PMF agent, i decided to pump in more money for these two funds and average out the cost and hope to break even or get some slightly gain after 2 years. After that i will either switch to other fund or withdraw out and do other investment. It's not advicable to cut lost now according to my agent. Sometimes this may backfire. Reason? Opportunity costAdmiting defeat, sell all and buy into another performing fund or even a bond fund may in the end give u better returns than keeping a laggard fund. |
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Sep 1 2012, 03:13 PM
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Sep 1 2012, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(justanovice @ Sep 1 2012, 04:29 PM) Thx for ur advise. I am ald in share market long time ago. But this UT is bought via fren n stayed for few years till now my fren also quit as agent ald. So no need give face to fren now can sell ald. Not much left now anyway a bit less than 10k in pcif 10K as "give face" Added on September 1, 2012, 4:36 pm QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 1 2012, 03:27 PM) Added on September 1, 2012, 3:36 pm Somewhat true... if only we can pinpoint which is going to be the better performing fund, otherwise it's jumping from one fire to another. As for a bond fund, it can be too conservative... no risks, no gains. For me, -20% is the limit I can take, anything lower and I'll get out. If it comes back up, then I might go in again. In investing, perseverance or should I say stubborn head gets u nowhere but head-on against a raging bull or a hungry bear This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 1 2012, 04:36 PM |
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Sep 7 2012, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Sep 7 2012, 08:47 AM) Just receive a letter from PM yesterday... regarding my PGF dividend. I think it's the tax voucher. What should i do with it? Keep it for your 2012 tax filing to claim back the excess tax paid (if any)Consult your tax agent/tax-savvy friends P.S. - If the tax deducted is just a few ringgit, forget it |
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Sep 7 2012, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Sep 7 2012, 04:28 PM) Ooohhh... u mean can deduct as tax relief, is it? which amount? M'sian Tax, is it? Corporate tax is at 25%If when tax filling time come, fill the amount under which category? If your personal tax rate is lower than that, u can claim back the difference For the exact mechanism, sorry I can't help, I'm a tax idiot accountant |
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Sep 13 2012, 06:49 AM
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U guys
Pls understand the meaning of "risk" Risk simply means, the magnitude and possibility of losses. Lower risk simply means, when u lose, more likely than not u will lose little, similarly, when u profit, more likely than not u will profit little. U buy 1-2 stocks on your own, if u get it right, its very rewarding. Similarly, if u picked laggards/big time losers, u will lose money even when the general market is goin up. The more stocks u buy, the more likely ur returns will be similar to that of the index. |
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Sep 13 2012, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 13 2012, 10:20 AM) Yes, but personally I do not dare to say UT is low risk investment. If ur A B C D E are all underperforming stocks, u will lose more than if u were to buy an index fund More stocks means average out, while individual that has sufficient fund also can buy 10-15 stocks like fund managers do. Added on September 13, 2012, 10:23 am Yes, I understand, just I do not agree the term being put on UT as "lower risk". It can give wrong impression to newbie in investment. UT has exposure to stock market, when stock market is viewed as high risk place, then UT also does, just return/loss of UT is averaged by total number of stocks holding instead of one or two stocks. If UT is lower risk investment class, it shouldn't be having a performance of loss 30-40% after 4-5 years. Added on September 13, 2012, 10:26 amI give a simple scenario. I bought stock A - high risk I bought stock A + B + C + D + E. Does it means now I am at low risk? |
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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Sep 13 2012, 12:03 PM) if the whole index fund also lose and underperforming?? The reason for investing in equity funds in the 1st place is to try and beat index returnsPublic mutual launch several UT and give bunch of fancy name, just want to earn extra bucks by charging management fee etc. Simply put this way, they don't care. +100 on the countless funds I see PM fund list I also How many equity funds one needs? Conventional - normal - dividend fund - small-mid cap Islamic - normal - dividend fund - small-mid cap By right, a good fund manager only needs to have 6 equity funds Also, KLSE ain't that large to have that many stocks to pick from |
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Sep 14 2012, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 14 2012, 03:19 PM) To continue on the topic of risk, this is mainly for the newbie (warning: academic stuff ahead): Good post there. Exactly the reason why I've always supported the idea of having a globally diversified portfolio. Yes, Malaysian equities are resilient, deliver consistent returns, but how sure are you that it will remain so forever? Risk can be classify into specific and non-specific. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Just my lil'lecture on risk. Xuzen |
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Gold/Silver member maybe get priority invites to FSM events, priority service from Client Investment Specialists?
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