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post May 11 2015, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:16 PM)
well i would be immensely impressed with mutual funds that can deliver a consistent return of 10% annually provided the benchmark is much lower than 10%.if it only tracks the index perhaps indexing will provide a much better return instead
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i think the some believe ROI is more important than benchmark or whatever it tracks.
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post May 11 2015, 09:20 PM

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in investment the returns and risks can be quantified- its not a personal issue or believe.facts that can be accounted for are not to be slighted
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post May 11 2015, 09:21 PM

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well what is ROI on funds?this is really an eye opener defense i hv ever encounter.do you actually kmnow how fund returns are measured?

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post May 11 2015, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:20 PM)
in investment the returns and risks can be quantified- its not a personal issue or believe.facts that can be accounted for are not to be slighted
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but these quantified risk are managed and monitored by the fund manager....the some would just believes in seeing consistent impressive annualized ROI records.

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post May 11 2015, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:21 PM)
well what is ROI on funds?this is really an eye opener defense i hv ever encounter.do you actually kmnow how fund returns are measured?
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no, i don't know....
would you please ?
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post May 11 2015, 09:29 PM

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well presumably you are the financial adviser if not pls check with the financial planners -they can provide you with a synopsis of return vs risk metrics . i m here to participate in a discourse on fund investing not educating the masses
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post May 11 2015, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 09:23 PM)
but these quantified risk are managed and monitored by the fund manager....the some would just believes in seeing consistent impressive annualized ROI records.
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if the investor does not even know about the risk reward characteristic of the fund,he should refrain from investing in the instrument.its not good to talk only about return-the average investor must also know the amount of risk he is undertaking for this expected rate of return




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post May 11 2015, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:29 PM)
well presumably you are the financial adviser if not pls check with the financial planners -they can provide you with a synopsis of return vs risk metrics . i m here to participate in a discourse on fund investing not educating the masses
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as i believes these "return vs risk metrics" or any "technical terms used by the other some.....should be handled by the fund manager as they have the financial adviser and planner and BIG computers....
then i believes some would just be happy if the fund can give an annalised returns of > 10% for the past 10 years.

i believes if you want to participate in the discourse on fund investing....particularly your post in 2931.....then it is best to talk to the originator of that article....the website and contacts are there too......and not educating the masses here.
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post May 11 2015, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:34 PM)
if the investor does not even know about the risk reward characteristic of the fund,he should refrain from investing in the instrument.its not good to talk only about return-the average investor must also know the amount of risk he is undertaking for this expected rate of return
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as i had said...some believes and are happy with that.
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post May 11 2015, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 09:37 PM)
as i believes these "return vs risk metrics" or any "technical terms used by the other some.....should be handled by the fund manager as they have the financial adviser and planner and BIG computers....
then i believes some would just be happy if the fund can give an annalised returns of > 10% for the past 10 years.

i believes if you want to participate in the discourse on fund investing....particularly your post in 2931.....then it is best to talk to the originator of that article....the website and contacts are there too......and not educating the masses here.
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risk vs rewards are simple mathematical formula-readily available in most prospectus or annual report -the average investor needs only to peruse the performance against the benchmark index thats it full stop
i wont even bother to go into the intricate details

do you understand the english word -discourse

wellfyi it means debate
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post May 11 2015, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:42 PM)
risk vs rewards are simple mathematical formula-readily available in most prospectus or annual report -the average investor needs only to peruse the performance against the benchmark index thats it full stop
i wont even bother to go into the intricate details

do you understand the english word -discourse

wellfyi it means debate
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there are always 2 sides of a coin....
there are always 2 views on a half glass of water....

if want to debate about the point 3......you know where to get the contact of the originator of that article.

like you just mentioned.....why educating the masses here by debating?

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post May 11 2015, 09:48 PM

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well perhaps we should conduct all discussions with this i believe stuff , relegate and consigned all scientific or financial theories to some inconsequential rubbish bin.nobel price winners like sharpe,markowitz who have contributed to modern day investment be denigrated as mere silly fellows as i believe is of lesser intelligence to i believe investors
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post May 11 2015, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 09:47 PM)
there are always 2 sides of a coin....
there are always 2 views on a half glass of water....

if want to debate about the point 3......you know where to get the contact of the originator of that article.

like you just mentioned.....why educating the masses here by debating?
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sad.gif you are really brilliant mr i believe.thanks for the amusing evening

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:48 PM)
well perhaps we should conduct all discussions with this i believe stuff , relegate and consigned all scientific or financial theories to some inconsequential rubbish bin.nobel price winners like sharpe,markowitz who have contributed to modern day investment be denigrated as mere silly fellows as i believe is of lesser intelligence to i believe investors
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rclxms.gif .......so you believes too?
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post May 11 2015, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ May 11 2015, 09:50 PM)
sad.gif you are really brilliant mr i believe.thanks for the amusing evening
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same over here too...
and i believes you are more brilliant....you know a lot about investing than most people...

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 09:50 PM)
rclxms.gif .......so you believes too?
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hmm.gif ....so you believes too mum ?
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post May 12 2015, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ May 12 2015, 07:10 AM)
hmm.gif ....so you believes too mum ?
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hmm.gif I believes, those are analyzing tools that can helps in providing data to make "informed" decisions.
I believes, they "would/should" have been used by the FH or rating agencies....
I and some of us that whom are "just small retail investors" would just have to "believes" at the past performance track records, lipper rating, morning stars, fsm star rating, our own portfolio allocation needs and risk appetite in making the decision to buy or sell.
btw,...making "informed" decision may not mean "correct" decision.
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wondering whether these analyzing tools had been established in 1999?
wondering what did the analyzing data compute about the DOT COM?
must be "positive" I think.....else most dot com funds would have bailed out..
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post May 12 2015, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 4 2015, 01:04 PM)

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•Decide which type of unit trust fund meets your saving needs.
•Shop around for a reliable unit trust company.
•Check whether investment limits and frequency of income payments are suitable.
•Check past performance records.


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All your "Do" list looks like not for newbie.

Needs to have lots of prior knowledge.
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post May 12 2015, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(tboxmy @ May 12 2015, 04:19 PM)
All your "Do" list looks like not for newbie.

Needs to have lots of prior knowledge.
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in that post got links for more details/lessons
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post May 12 2015, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 12 2015, 04:20 PM)
in that post got links for more details/lessons
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Saw the "Do" list in Lesson 7.



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