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post Jul 11 2013, 10:23 PM

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some old news... "Malaysian Stock Market Correction Expected."

Published: Thursday July 4, 2013 MYT 12:00:00 AM...
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Take-away points:
- KLCI...consensus target of 1,840.
- Kenanga set its KLCI 12-month target at 1,870 and year-end target at 1,810.
- “We advise investors to sell when the composite index trades at more than 1,810..."
- "... when the market hit 1,720, a 6% discount to market price, it would be a good time (to buy)."
- “We have seen corrections typically around August and September.”

KLCI closed today at 1781. Lowest closed, since its upswing in May, was June 28 at 1728.

Does the analyst mean to say that the correction could be down to 1700-1720 support level and not below? Which makes it a correction of about 4% if (and when) KLCI reaches 1790 around Aug/Sept? And a 5% gain from 1720 to 1810 by year-end?

Let's say 5% on 25% of portfolio, gives 1.25% gain... so little... hmm.gif Need to find faster horses... tongue.gif
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post Jul 12 2013, 02:42 PM

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11/7/2013 PUBLIC CHINA ACCESS EQUITY FUND PCASEF 1.0478 -0.0037 -0.35%
11/7/2013 PUBLIC CHINA ITTIKAL FUND PCIF 0.1776 0.0029 1.66%
11/7/2013 PUBLIC CHINA SELECT FUND PCSF 0.1614 0.0032 2.02%
11/7/2013 PUBLIC CHINA TITANS FUND PCTF 0.2148 0.0042 1.99%

oh well... the new fund does not give much confidence in the rescue; it seems to be pulling back instead of pulling up its 'patients' in need of help.

11/7/2013 PUBLIC SINGAPORE EQUITY FUND PSGEF 0.2823 0.0061 2.21%
... shows the point that PM still performing better closer to home.

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post Jul 15 2013, 02:21 PM

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Robustness of China's economy do not necessary translate to robustness in their stock market.

“China is a case in point that great GDP doesn’t mean a great stock market,” Nicholas Yeo, a money manager at Aberdeen Asset, which oversees about $322 billion worldwide, said by phone from Hong Kong on July 10. “The lack of quality in terms of corporate governance is one of the main reasons we find why companies don’t perform well over the long term.”

"China Wealth Eludes Foreigners as Stocks Earn 1% in 20 Years."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-14/c...r-20-years.html

P.S. "... lack of quality in terms of corporate governance...". Am not really clear what he was saying... but I think he's saying that the some of the listed companies were following Facebook method of pulling in funds and zukerberg the investors. tongue.gif


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post Jul 15 2013, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(eeiwan @ Jul 15 2013, 04:17 PM)
tq for ur points of view..thats why i wanna know if we use this uniflex,switching fund is permitted or not..if there is any charged to change fund if that particular fund drop in performance..because some agent are really confident that every year this or that fund will give profit..at least higher than od interest which is blr -1..means 5.6% pa..if like this,  maybe should be ok...MAYBE..
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Can't answer the 1st part, as I yet to use my units as collateral in a loan or overdraft. And hopefully, will never come to this stage of being further in debt to a bank... You would need to inquire further with PB bank staff on whether the units will be locked or not.

As for the 2nd part, this is a timely article I read over the weekend. "What's Wrong With My Portfolio?" http://www.marketwatch.com/story/whats-wro...12?pagenumber=1

"I see lots of people stuck in a cycle. They buy a fund because of its good track record. Inevitably, the fund lags so it is sold in favor of a new fund with strong results during the period the first fund lagged. Then that fund lags and is sold in favor of a new good performer. Some investment firms ride this cycle too. They put the lagging funds on a "watch list" when it lags and, if performance doesn't pick up fast enough, they dump the fund. This is a losing strategy. Each new fund must not only outperform, it must outperform by enough to make up for the old fund's lagging results.

You have to know what you own, why you own those holdings and what to reasonably expect from them. If you don't, you can easily be distracted by data. Further, when the inevitable bad market environments arise and your confidence in your choices is tested, the patience and discipline required of you may not be there. Good luck and keep developing your savings habit while you learn about investing."


Truly agreed with the last sentence on "savings habit". I also see unit trust funds as savings more than they are as an investment.

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post Jul 15 2013, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(eeiwan @ Jul 15 2013, 05:46 PM)
Thanks for your suggestion..as for me, uniflex is for people who want to invest in any other investment such as property, for example auction house which they need some cash around 15k-20k to get a good auction house below 100k(low cost apart/flat) which 30-40% below mv. If u get a good house at prime area, u can either rent it(double u get from your installment)/flipping(sold at MV price it within 1 year). but at the same time u can let public mutual generate it profit without touching it. Coz for me i want liquidity of my money. But this is just my humble opinion..its good u can introduce me your financial planner..thanks a lot..
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That's a good reason of having ready cash... but a better financial plan is having cash, fixed deposits and unit trust funds in various proportions, rather than having all in UT equities and then borrowing or overdraft for a particular investment opportunity.

I think you are being oversold by the agents on the OD facility. No doubt, the OD facility is good to have down the road (and it should a long road)... it should not be an immediate necessity.

An immediate necessity would means that you are more or less 'investing' all you have budgeted as once or almost at once. Agents would rather want this to happen, a big sale! They would lack the patience to wait for the commissions to roll in slowly.

But why should we rush in? As a 'saver', rather than an 'investor', I don't see any "opportunity lost" if we apply the Dollar-Cost-Average method of investing over a period of time.

I came across this phrase last week... "Lost opportunity is better than lost money."

Cheers.

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post Jul 15 2013, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(Anythinglah @ Jul 15 2013, 06:04 PM)
Hi everyone ! I'm extremely new to Unit Trust, I'm planning to cash out my FD and dump it in Unit Trust, as it is highest interest, also risk. Can anyone suggest me on what and which Fund should I invest in ( long term with high return and fairly amount of risk ) please ? Highly appreciated.
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Go back 2 or 3 pages... same advice... go in slowly and conservatively, while learning the ropes, with a moderate fund.

Also read widely... another good read over the weekend... "John Bogle's million-dollar advice." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/john-bogl...10?pagenumber=1

Vanguard Group of mutual funds would be like Public Mutual funds in our local context; except that PM charges the highest fees! mad.gif

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post Jul 15 2013, 07:05 PM

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PM is a fund company - they do the whole thing.

Fundsupermart is an investment platform ie. they are agents for various fund companies.

PM funds are only sold by PM and PB bank, cannot be bought in Fundsupermart platform.

Lastly, unit trust fund is a pool fund of monies to invest in equities, and bonds, or a mixture of both. FD (fixed deposit) is with guaranteed interest. UT has no guarantee returns. Whoever told you that Unit Trust is "sure to profit wan", is a liar. biggrin.gif


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post Jul 15 2013, 09:45 PM

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aiyoh... kek si lah! FSM is not a fund houses la... if you already with FSM, don't tell us you only buy from one fund house when they represent several fund houses. So your excuse is lame and feeble. tongue.gif

Tell PM agent straight and frank, "sorry, no want PM. FSM no charge me high high like you; only 1-2 percent nya."

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post Jul 18 2013, 07:10 PM

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Good news: KLCI broke thru 1790... on its way to 1800.

Bad news: bet on the wrong horse... it's not catching up to its benchmark and still way, way behind... blush.gif

Worse news: had bet more on the wrong horse than the 2 other winners.

Worst news: none. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 19 2013, 08:58 PM

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"Generally, the fund manager requires approximately two business days to consolidate and derive a unit price for the funds..."

PM is a bit more efficient... if the fund is totally local without currency exchange involved, the NAV price is usually updated around 7:30pm. All the other funds should be updated by around 11:30 am (earliest) the next business day.

"So that's still have the risk even you try to request repurchase during NAV increase."

There's always this risk even if you do the transaction just before 4:00pm. The stock market usually swings during the last hour before it closed, sometimes it can do u-turns... so one can't be too sure it will continue to go up or down.

This post has been edited by j.passing.by: Jul 19 2013, 08:59 PM
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post Jul 20 2013, 10:39 PM

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Below is an article of interest... was mentioned in another thread...
"The ultimate buy-and-hold strategy"
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-ultim...17?pagenumber=5

It is about how an ideal, the Ultimate, portfolio would looks like. It is 40% in bonds/money market, and the remainder 60% is equally divided into REITS, local and international equities.

The comments at the end of the article are also of interest, particularly the comments on 're-balancing' on an annual basis, and the starting period of any portfolio.

Below is its equivalent with selected Public Mutual funds. biggrin.gif
Bonds/Money Market - 40%
REITS - 12%
Local Equities - 24%
Asia Pacific Equities - 24%

(Me, a copycat, unimaginative UT punter. So please don't take the selections as gospel! Take the idea and maybe fine-tune it to your taste. icon_rolleyes.gif )

Category/Benchmark and its selected Fund
Bonds MYR - Islamic Public Sukuk Fund 10%
Bonds MYR - Islamic PB Sukuk Fund 10%
Bonds MYR - Islamic Public Islamic Infrastructure Bond Fund 10%
Money Market - Islamic Public Islamic Money Market Fund 10%

S&P Customised Index 60%; KLIBOR 40% PB Asia Real Estate Income Fund 6%
S&P Customised Index 100% Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund 6%

FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI Public Industry Fund 6%
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Mid 70 Index Public Select Focus Fund 6%
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Small Cap Shariah Index Public Islamic Opportunities Fund 6%
FTSE Bursa Malaysia EMAS Shariah Index Public Ittikal Sequel Fund 6%

Equity Asia Pacific - Non Islamic Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund 6%
Equity Asia Pacific Ex-Japan - Islamic Public Islamic Asia Dividend Fund 6%
FTSE/Asean 40 Index Public South-East Asia Select Fund 6%
Equity Global - MXWD 90%, KLIBOR 10% Public Global Select Fund 6%

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Their gains in Year 2012: Benchmarks & Funds
Public Sukuk Fund 3.29% 3.94%
PB Sukuk Fund 3.29% 4.20%
Public Islamic Infrastructure Bond Fund 3.29% 2.75%
Public Islamic Money Market Fund 3.07% 2.94%
PB Asia Real Estate Income Fund 17.92% 18.60%
Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund 28.69% 27.19%
Public Industry Fund 11.59% 11.84%
Public Select Focus Fund 5.85% 16.65%
Public Islamic Opportunities Fund 12.43% 16.72%
Public Ittikal Sequel Fund 12.43% 12.74%
Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund 12.79% 6.07%
Public Islamic Asia Dividend Fund 12.46% 14.54%
Public South-East Asia Select Fund 11.83% 16.42%
Public Global Select Fund 7.73% 10.55%

Their respective gains weighted to the portfolio:

Public Sukuk Fund 0.33% 0.39%
PB Sukuk Fund 0.33% 0.42%
Public Islamic Infrastructure Bond Fund 0.33% 0.28%
Public Islamic Money Market Fund 0.31% 0.29%
PB Asia Real Estate Income Fund 1.08% 1.12%
Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund 1.72% 1.63%
Public Industry Fund 0.70% 0.71%
Public Select Focus Fund 0.35% 1.00%
Public Islamic Opportunities Fund 0.75% 1.00%
Public Ittikal Sequel Fund 0.75% 0.76%
Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund 0.77% 0.36%
Public Islamic Asia Dividend Fund 0.75% 0.87%
Public South-East Asia Select Fund 0.71% 0.99%
Public Global Select Fund 0.46% 0.63%
TOTAL 9.32% 10.46%

The equivalent ULTIMATE Buy-and-Hold Portfolio returns 10.46% for year 2012.

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Their respective weighted gains, benchmark & fund, in the first half of this year, Jan-June 2013.

Public Sukuk Fund 0.15% 0.22%
PB Sukuk Fund 0.15% 0.21%
Public Islamic Infrastructure Bond Fund 0.15% 0.35%
Public Islamic Money Market Fund 0.15% 0.14%
PB Asia Real Estate Income Fund 0.25% 0.45%
Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund 0.34% 0.72%
Public Industry Fund 0.30% 0.36%
Public Select Focus Fund 0.86% 0.45%
Public Islamic Opportunities Fund 1.19% 1.15%
Public Ittikal Sequel Fund 0.40% 0.50%
Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund 0.10% 0.44%
Public Islamic Asia Dividend Fund 0.01% -0.06%
Public South-East Asia Select Fund 0.24% 0.41%
Public Global Select Fund 0.49% 0.66%
TOTAL 4.76% 5.99%

5.99% for the first 6 months... not bad...

Cheers. cool.gif

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.... a continuation from previous post. Below is a new reply from the author of the article to a reader who was skeptical of the 'buy-and-hold' strategy.


@Christopher Durr,
My buy and hold recommendations have been tracked by The Hulbert Financial Digest for almost 15 years. According to Hulbert, the 60/40 portfolio at Vanguard compounded at 9.1% and the 100% equity portfolio at 10.3 for the 10 years ending 12/31/20012.

This approach is dirt simple but we are fooling ourselves if we think buy and hold is easy. The evidence is that most people who claim to be buy and holders have made many market timing decisions and most of them didn't do as well as the pure buy and hold.

The saving grace with market timing is it feels good at the moment, just like the pizza I ate last night.

My hope is I can convince investors to combine the right amount of fixed income with the broadly diversified portfolio discussed in the article. If they can get that right I hope they will be able to handle the next 2007-2009.

In two weeks my article will be all about fine tuning your asset allocation (% in equity/fixed income). If we can get that right, along with the right asset classes I think investors will have found the "sweet spot."

By the way, I have never presented myself as a "genius." I have simply taken the time to learn from the smartest academics I can find and tried to help investors put that "genius" to work. I think Nick Murray is one of the bright lights in our industy.

Paul Merriman


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Kaka, what's so blur, blur... it's about what a well diversified portfolio of UT funds should be... able to withstand stormy weathers throughout its life... able to give reasonable returns during sunny skies as well as rainy skies.

That 'ultimate' portfolio, in previous post, and their percentage gains is a good comparison to whatever current portfolio we're having... not necessary an ideal model suitable for everyone... as said, fine-tune it and 're-balance' it from time to time.




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post Jul 21 2013, 05:15 PM

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... continuation from previous post.

"If you are a serious investor, this article could be one of the most important things you’ll ever read.
We’re going to show you the buy-and-hold strategy... We’ve been recommending the Ultimate Buy-and-Hold as a sample strategy since 1992, and we don’t use the word “ultimate” casually..."


... begins the longer article... its link is on the last page (page 5)... a 11-page pdf article... explaining how the returns are increased without increasing the std. deviation/risk from step 1 of a basic 60/40 portfolio to step 6 of a diversified 60/40 portfolio. Do read it for the logic and arguments behind the strategy...

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okay, I 'cheated' to create a selection of funds in my 'ultimate' portfolio to match the diversified strategy. smile.gif

First, the recommended UTs are USA based. Secondly, Public Mutual do not have their equivalent funds.

The strategy calls for 'value' funds, both in large caps as well as in small caps. As explained in the article, 'value' stocks is at the opposing end to 'growth' stocks.

The best (equivalent) I can pulled out is:
FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Mid 70 Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Small Cap Shariah Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia EMAS Shariah Index

... where I can easily plug in the relevant funds. I'm have essentially 'bought' the whole market instead 'value' funds and "micro-cap" fund (the smallest 5% of U.S. companies). LOL laugh.gif

Needless to say, some 'cheat' is also done on the foreign funds. icon_rolleyes.gif I selected 4 different asset classes instead... it's still diversification, right? laugh.gif

On the REITs, this is easy... PM has only 2 funds in real estate.

As for the bonds, I think it should be another money market fund instead of the selected Infrastructure Bond Fund. To add stability to the portfolio when stability is needed the most during adverse economic environment, there should be no corporate bond funds.

Cheers.

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PS. Compared to my own 'actual' portfolio... with has many switches (which are 'free', otherwise it is costly), chasing hot funds in the last 6 months... 5.87% is almost close but lower than the 5.99% in the 'ultimate' portfolio... will gradually transit to a more diversity strategy than chasing hot funds in the next several months.

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post Jul 21 2013, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 21 2013, 04:26 PM)
Tee hee hee, calculating the return is arithematically straight-forward, try calculating the above portfolio risk aka standard deviation....

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Hi Xuzen,
Just noted your reply after I posted today...

nah, not going to take the trouble to assess the risk... the risk in my current portfolio will win hands down. tongue.gif

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post Aug 1 2013, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(heng5410 @ Jul 31 2013, 09:53 PM)
That means i cant do the online transaction to buy the fund in cash even i already have bought fund using KWSP Account 1 money?
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Seemed like you're asking the wrong questions.

First of all, there is no 'master' account when you signed up as an 'investor'.

When you buy a fund for the very first time, you need to fill in forms to show that you truly understand what you are getting into. The agent have to explain to you what is unit trust; and there is a cooling off period.

After this initial purchase, you should apply for the online facility. The online facility will allow you to make purchases (and also other transactions like switching to another fund, etc), however you like.

As for 'accounts', each fund will be given a separate account number. A separate account number will also be given if the fund is purchase differently, ie. via cash, or EPF and also if through different agent. Say if you make another purchase of the same fund with another agent, this 2nd purchase will be given another account number.

Please get this clear on the account numbers, and not have too many different agents. Anything more than 2 agents is too many. The same fund with different account numbers is a hassle to maintain, and it will also eat into switching costs if the amount switched is not cost effective in relation to its switching fee.

Cheers. Always buy low, sell high. Better still, buy low, don't sell but switch. Aimed for the 'ultimate' buy-and-hold portfolio and rebalance annually. smile.gif

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Aug 1 2013, 08:23 AM)
Wowpublic bond fund so high. Gonna jump into that tongue.gif
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The higher distribution means nothing. It is silly to think that it is giving better returns than the other funds. It do not.

Distributions can be converted into more units, and can also be cashed out. The older bond funds (which are closed) act as 'income' for some long-time investors. The declared distribution can even eat into the principal amount in bad years to provide a steady stream of income.

Check the NAV price tomorrow... it will be below par RM1.00.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 5 2013, 08:48 AM)
i was once (last year) told by my PM agent that i can only buy PB fund from P bank.
i did not confirm this...may be he does not want me to buy PB fund
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I can confirm it... PB series can only be bought via Public Bank. (For the Public series, it's done via Public Mutual branches, or their agents. But both can be bought online... except for EPF, as you need to submit a form with your thumb-prints through the agent.)

It should also be noted that you can only switch funds within its series, ie. you cannot switch from a PB fund to a Public fund. A bit of forethought is needed in planning how to split your monies if you intend to have a portfolio consisting of both PB and Public funds.

BTW, PB funds are slightly more conservative, while Public funds tend to be more aggressive when comparing similar funds.

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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 10 2013, 10:36 AM)
hi yklooi,

this technics i read from this FORUM last nite from somebody else.

I did bought PISEF last year using Ringgit Cost average by end of July the NAV RM3330 (MQPA - RM3250). So the capital gain is around RM80.

but after the Unit distribution on 1-"August my NAV is RM3290. And of course my Unit increase by around 300 units. As you can see my capital gain after the distribution is getting lesser .
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A straight talker here, so let me set you straight without misleading questions... it is a false concept.

1) You don't sell and buy. What you do is switch to another fund, maybe a bond or money market fund... Note the difference in "sell" and "switch".

2) Distribution makes no difference to the NAV just a day before or after the distribution date. There was a decline in the stock market during the last 3 days of July. Don't make assumption based on a personal incidence, it is almost wrong... NAV before/after distribution date was well-discussed here in this FORUM... if you have read all the past pages, you are still not getting the right info... beware of some posts and posters... they can be misleading.


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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 9 2013, 11:24 PM)
hello peeps,

I just came across this info, and i found out that this idea actually work and logical.

To sell off when a fund is going to declare distribution and reap the capital gain. and then buy back. After all, we will still get the distributed unit .

is this what the Unit trust Pro doing?
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Am re-reading the above post... to be frank, it is nonsensical. smile.gif

The distributed units is only added to those units (on say 31st July) and then the NAV unit price is adjusted to reflect the additional units. No gain, not lost after the distribution date. Any gain or lost is due to market movement... as normal.

If you have already 'sold' the units, you will not get the distributed units... this is where I see the nonsense in the contradictory sentence. smile.gif

Cheers.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2013, 11:27 PM)
"this idea actually work and logical"?
er.. have U calculated the cost & time to execute? Done it hands-on? worth the hassle?

NEXT!  tongue.gif
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hmm.gif ...back to the drawing board on beating the system... laugh.gif


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